Player Watch Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

Hoddle_Ledge

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Imagine being thrown in the air and coming back down into the arms of Hugo Lloris :love:

Let's hope he doesn't come off his line and punch her in the next video...

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jonnyp

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i bet Degea never lets a goal past him.
Degea also scores some stunner too to ensure the team wins when outfield players feckin useless
I don't understand the point of this post, but De Gea is a lot better at stopping shots from acute angles and one on ones because he stands up, makes himself large and uses his feet to save more often, just like Peter Schmeichel did so successfully.

Hugo has let in so many soft goals from acute angles especially because he always goes to ground, and he usually goes down way too early. It's the same on penalties, he just decides to go to one side and goes down way too early. Still think Hugo is awesome and his sweeping is usually spot on and has saved us countless goals against. I just wish he could be coached to stand up in certain situations because it's been his Achilles heal from day one.
 

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I think Lloris is getting a whole lot of stick lately and it's almost out of control. I know he is not perfect and there was a period earlier in 2017 when he seemed to be doing odd things more often than before. But during the recent weeks I think he's been very solid and stable, yet the amount of criticism has quadrupled. There is not one conceded goal now without somebody given a half-witted "analysis" on Lloris and how he should have done this and should have done that. I call bollocks.

Firsly, the couch potato fan gets to see each incident over and over and over again, pressing, pause-rewind-play on the related youtube video. Applying that level of hindsight, you could probably re-watch every move of every player on the pitch and find mistakes. In-match, you have a split second to make a decision and execute it, and that's the correct time frame to use when passing a judgement.

Secondly, goalkeeping look stinking easy. Just position yourself correctly, spread your hands correctly, close down space correctly, and save. Bom-bom-bom, everybody can do it. Right? Wrong! Goalkeeping is a specialised, honed skilled that's a niche within the football team. You need decision making, reflexes, concentration, agility, leadership, ability to calculate geometry with your eyes, in-game understanding, and bravery. That's a lot to ask of a man. Most fans passing a judgment are struggling with deciding what beer to get and how to balance it back to the seat. I'm sorry to tell you, you probably couldn't have succeeded as a goalie, no matter how easy it looks.

Thirdly, angles. What you see, either on the TV screen or from the stands will be from a way different angle than the goalie. Sometimes, you'll probably have the benefit of watching the situation from a better and more informative angle than the goalie. But more often than not, your angle will deceive you. You think you are seeing one situation, shouting out that "Oh, if Lloris just took half a step to his left". Let me tell you, chances are that the way you are seeing the situation probably leads you to give the wrong "recommendation", simply because you are watching from an angle that doesn't give you the information you need to make the accurate assessment.

Fourthly, there is such a thing as goals that simply can't be saved, there simply isn't anything the goalie can do. You may think that you are so infallible that you notice the one way in which a given goal could be saved – I call bullshit.

Fifthly, if you are going to play the blame game, pinpoint blame accurately. Some goals that have been conceded lately (and I won't name names but I have specifics in mind), should never have become a dangerous situation in the first place. Some of our non-goalie players have messed up to such a degree lately that if you want to call out a specific player for the fault, at least call out the correct player. Don't just point to Lloris just because it's convenient, it looks so easy, you had the benefit of watching the situation in slo-mo over again, and he is the latest scape goat.

We are lucky to have Lloris. He can make mistakes, I know that. But lately, it's like a sport of its own to call him out. And he doesn't deserve it.
 

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I think Lloris is getting a whole lot of stick lately and it's almost out of control. I know he is not perfect and there was a period earlier in 2017 when he seemed to be doing odd things more often than before. But during the recent weeks I think he's been very solid and stable, yet the amount of criticism has quadrupled. There is not one conceded goal now without somebody given a half-witted "analysis" on Lloris and how he should have done this and should have done that. I call bollocks.

Firsly, the couch potato fan gets to see each incident over and over and over again, pressing, pause-rewind-play on the related youtube video. Applying that level of hindsight, you could probably re-watch every move of every player on the pitch and find mistakes. In-match, you have a split second to make a decision and execute it, and that's the correct time frame to use when passing a judgement.

Secondly, goalkeeping look stinking easy. Just position yourself correctly, spread your hands correctly, close down space correctly, and save. Bom-bom-bom, everybody can do it. Right? Wrong! Goalkeeping is a specialised, honed skilled that's a niche within the football team. You need decision making, reflexes, concentration, agility, leadership, ability to calculate geometry with your eyes, in-game understanding, and bravery. That's a lot to ask of a man. Most fans passing a judgment are struggling with deciding what beer to get and how to balance it back to the seat. I'm sorry to tell you, you probably couldn't have succeeded as a goalie, no matter how easy it looks.

Thirdly, angles. What you see, either on the TV screen or from the stands will be from a way different angle than the goalie. Sometimes, you'll probably have the benefit of watching the situation from a better and more informative angle than the goalie. But more often than not, your angle will deceive you. You think you are seeing one situation, shouting out that "Oh, if Lloris just took half a step to his left". Let me tell you, chances are that the way you are seeing the situation probably leads you to give the wrong "recommendation", simply because you are watching from an angle that doesn't give you the information you need to make the accurate assessment.

Fourthly, there is such a thing as goals that simply can't be saved, there simply isn't anything the goalie can do. You may think that you are so infallible that you notice the one way in which a given goal could be saved – I call bullshit.

Fifthly, if you are going to play the blame game, pinpoint blame accurately. Some goals that have been conceded lately (and I won't name names but I have specifics in mind), should never have become a dangerous situation in the first place. Some of our non-goalie players have messed up to such a degree lately that if you want to call out a specific player for the fault, at least call out the correct player. Don't just point to Lloris just because it's convenient, it looks so easy, you had the benefit of watching the situation in slo-mo over again, and he is the latest scape goat.

We are lucky to have Lloris. He can make mistakes, I know that. But lately, it's like a sport of its own to call him out. And he doesn't deserve it.
Spot on. The question I'd ask anybody giving Lloris stick is, which goalie within our financial capabilities would they prefer? We have an elite level GK, top 10 in the world in his position, who just happens to be a fantastic pro and ambassador for the club.
 

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I think Lloris is getting a whole lot of stick lately and it's almost out of control. I know he is not perfect and there was a period earlier in 2017 when he seemed to be doing odd things more often than before. But during the recent weeks I think he's been very solid and stable, yet the amount of criticism has quadrupled. There is not one conceded goal now without somebody given a half-witted "analysis" on Lloris and how he should have done this and should have done that. I call bollocks.

Firsly, the couch potato fan gets to see each incident over and over and over again, pressing, pause-rewind-play on the related youtube video. Applying that level of hindsight, you could probably re-watch every move of every player on the pitch and find mistakes. In-match, you have a split second to make a decision and execute it, and that's the correct time frame to use when passing a judgement.

Secondly, goalkeeping look stinking easy. Just position yourself correctly, spread your hands correctly, close down space correctly, and save. Bom-bom-bom, everybody can do it. Right? Wrong! Goalkeeping is a specialised, honed skilled that's a niche within the football team. You need decision making, reflexes, concentration, agility, leadership, ability to calculate geometry with your eyes, in-game understanding, and bravery. That's a lot to ask of a man. Most fans passing a judgment are struggling with deciding what beer to get and how to balance it back to the seat. I'm sorry to tell you, you probably couldn't have succeeded as a goalie, no matter how easy it looks.

Thirdly, angles. What you see, either on the TV screen or from the stands will be from a way different angle than the goalie. Sometimes, you'll probably have the benefit of watching the situation from a better and more informative angle than the goalie. But more often than not, your angle will deceive you. You think you are seeing one situation, shouting out that "Oh, if Lloris just took half a step to his left". Let me tell you, chances are that the way you are seeing the situation probably leads you to give the wrong "recommendation", simply because you are watching from an angle that doesn't give you the information you need to make the accurate assessment.

Fourthly, there is such a thing as goals that simply can't be saved, there simply isn't anything the goalie can do. You may think that you are so infallible that you notice the one way in which a given goal could be saved – I call bullshit.

Fifthly, if you are going to play the blame game, pinpoint blame accurately. Some goals that have been conceded lately (and I won't name names but I have specifics in mind), should never have become a dangerous situation in the first place. Some of our non-goalie players have messed up to such a degree lately that if you want to call out a specific player for the fault, at least call out the correct player. Don't just point to Lloris just because it's convenient, it looks so easy, you had the benefit of watching the situation in slo-mo over again, and he is the latest scape goat.

We are lucky to have Lloris. He can make mistakes, I know that. But lately, it's like a sport of its own to call him out. And he doesn't deserve it.
Excellent post.
Lloris doesnt deserve to get all the blame for the goals or the points we have dropped, but there are two goals of late were he let himself down. I know the West Brom goal was mostly on Dele, but Lloris is still a professional goalie he does this for a living and been doing this for the majority of his life, he should be able to gaurd the near post while making it as hard as possible for the attacker to go across him to score.

Still anybody blaming him for the Liecester goals are dumbies and Lloris is far from the biggest problem with this squad atm.
 

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He's bloody fantastic as a player, captain and seemingly also as a bloke, but he has a knack of letting in some goals that guys like Coutois and De Gea just doesn't.
 

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Thought his save on Shaqiri was brilliant and reflected his true shot stopping abilities when he gets his angles right and just reacts. His distribution was good also played a key part in how effective we were at playing out from the back.
Not bothered that much about the flap for the Shawcross goal, just a case were he was over eager and desperate to keep the clean sheet.

Still back him to get back to a top level and yesterday was a good step in that direction.
 

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Not sure how you can’t be bothered about the flap ? It’s another mistake to add to quite a few this season. Imo his distribution is no better and it’s not really likely to improve at his age. The hold facts are if pep was our manager he would have been out the door. For a team that wants to play out from the back his distribution is a major concern. When teams have a high press on us my heart is in my mouth whenever hu touches the ball. On the other hand his shot stopping and reflexes are right up there with de gea. Ultimately there are very few in the world better. He’s not perfect and I’d only take de gea and courtois over him right now.
My worry will be when he does start to really decline how it will be handled. It’s not like a dembele/winks you can feed in and out. I’d rather he retires when the time comes than have 2 seasons of him being vilified. I suspect we will only really appreciate him once he has gone.
 

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I'm not that bothered because he made a world class save to deny Shaquiri and as far as I'm concerned that more than made up for his error. Players make mistakes all the time but keepers get the microscope put on them because it normally results in a goal, he made an error, he's human, still one of the best keepers in the league and in my top 10/arguable top 5 in the world and are lucky to have him at our club, so yeah let's not be so quick to thrown him under the bus just yet.

I don't understand why his distribution can't improve when we've already seen a marked improvement in the 5 years he's been at the club already? If anything his reflexes will start to suffer the older he gets but that won't happen for some time now.

Saying if Pep was our manager is an absolutely nothing statement.
 

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I still occassionally rewatch his save from Coutinho at Wembley a few weeks back. Top keeper, should imagine he's saved us many more points than he's cost us.
 
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He's bloody fantastic as a player, captain and seemingly also as a bloke, but he has a knack of letting in some goals that guys like Coutois and De Gea just doesn't.
De Gea and Courtois do concede soft goals, they're not infallible. In fact, Courtois does it more than Lloris imo. When we beat them 5-3, Kane completely exposed what a slow and cumbersome 'keeper Courtois is, the lanky shite-nose can't get down to anything below knee height
 

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De Gea and Courtois do concede soft goals, they're not infallible. In fact, Courtois does it more than Lloris imo. When we beat them 5-3, Kane completely exposed what a slow and cumbersome 'keeper Courtois is, the lanky shite-nose can't get down to anything below knee height
Still my proudest moment as a spurs fan is at that match. During the warm up I said to my mate, "watch Courtois, almost every shot low into the corner goes in, I hope Poch is watching".

My smug face after Kane's first goal didn't go for days.
 

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Would help if our defenders / coaches sorted out another solution instead of putting him under pressure with shonky 'pressure relieving' back passes while facing their own goal..
 
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