Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

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At first glance, this is a pretty damning statistic.

At second glance, it's a load of bollocks.

If we're talking players making errors leading to goals, then it's much more likely that goalkeepers, as the last line of defence, will do this than defenders who can make the same number of errors, but don't see them converted into goals because the goalkeeper is there to make a save.

If we're talking the last three years of the Premiership, then that immediately reduces it to those 16 teams who have been in the Premier League for that period.

And if we're talking the last three years of the Premiership, then we must discount those teams who've changed goalkeepers in that period (Liverpool; Manchester City; West Ham) or have seen their main keeper injured for a long period (WBA; Stoke; Southampton).

This leaves us with six keepers who have played 100 or so Premier League games in the time period cited when no other keeper has played more than 90. These are Lloris, De Gea, Cech, Schmeichel, Gomes and Fabianski.

At first sight, it's not great that Lloris has committed more errors than the other five which have led to a goal, but, again, to compare these six is very much apples and oranges territory. Leicester, Watford and Swansea tend to defend deep. Which means Schmeichel, Gomes and Fabianski aren't asked to leave their line as much as Lloris does. This means they're less likely to make an error because, basically, they just stay on their line. They save it. Or they don't. But, if they don't, it's not an error leading to a goal. It's just a goal.

This just leaves Cech and De Gea. Fair play, De Gea is the best keeper in the country. As for Cech, we know his error rate is pretty much akin to Lloris' rate from other stats, so, if you'd rather Cech than Lloris, that's your call but, personally, I'll stick with Hugo if that's OK by you and give him my support rather than quote out-of-context statistics that belie the full story.


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[WiganSpur]

I'm starting to have doubts about Lloris myself but since there isn't a blindingly obvious upgrade within our price range then we should stick with him for now and pray he gets back to the levels he was at a couple of years ago.

He has been genuinely loyal to us over the years so I think we perhaps owe him a bit of time to get his form together. He could have easily thrown his toys out the pram but he conducted himself professionally throughout some of our rough patches and I really admire him for that.

 

[fletch82]

I have been loyal spurs fan since January 2018 but if this continues me and Dave my hamster will have to consider going back to support city.


(I have not asked Dave yet but he normally agrees with me )

#ffslloris.

 

[Gilzeanking]

I'm starting to have doubts about Lloris myself but since there isn't a blindingly obvious upgrade within our price range then we should stick with him for now and pray he gets back to the levels he was at a couple of years ago.

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What none of us know is whether Lloris is getting the proper feedback from his coaches . Dare anyone tell him that he's made bad mistakes several times in the last few months that have led to us conceding ?

I just hope he realises that he must improve and that he has fallen below his own high standards . Apart from a Garth Crooks 'diabolical' remark about Lloris , no media has picked up on this .

 

[TaoistMonkey]

We wouldn't be where we are without Lloris. I'm not worried about these few errors, every keeper makes them.

 

[JonnySpurs]

I've made no secret of the fact that I have serious concerns about Lloris. This weekend has not helped matters and depending on how they've been perceived, he's potentially at fault for all 3 goals that city scored. If that's the case then he'll be top of the list for errors leading to goals this season and whether you see value in that stat or not, it's nothing to be proud of and it should set some alarm bells ringing for Poch IMO.

Granted, Hugo has been loyal to the club and he's often made some absolutely mind blowing saves that have won us games but the reality is that was then and this is now and right now he's potentially costing us games and that cannot be ignored, especially not for the sake of sentiment.

As I've said before, it's time to go out and sign a good, young keeper that can potentially challenge Lloris and make him aware that he's not undroppable.

Of course, none of this matters though because I get the impression that Poch will back Hugo to the end and that's admirable, if a little misguided. I just hope Hugo sorts himself out and comes back stronger next season cos right now it's not looking good.

 

[cider spurs]

What none of us know is whether Lloris is getting the proper feedback from his coaches . Dare anyone tell him that he's made bad mistakes several times in the last few months that have led to us conceding ?

I just hope he realises that he must improve and that he has fallen below his own high standards . Apart from a Garth Crooks 'diabolical' remark about Lloris , no media has picked up on this .

I'm sure it's safe to assume that post match analysis occurs. Most probably studying certain key aspects of the game by way of video.

I have been loyal spurs fan since January 2018 but if this continues me and Dave my hamster will have to consider going back to support city.


(I have not asked Dave yet but he normally agrees with me )

#ffslloris.

That fecker Freddie Starr ate mine.

 

[cider spurs]

@JonnySpurs...you state..."Poch will back Hugo to the end and that's admirable, if a little misguided".

A few errors and what...Poch is somewhat misguided for sticking by him and helping him through this supposed crisis.

 

[JonnySpurs]

@JonnySpurs...you state..."Poch will back Hugo to the end and that's admirable, if a little misguided".

A few errors and what...Poch is somewhat misguided for sticking by him and helping him through this supposed crisis.

There is nothing to be gained by sticking by a keeper that continues to make errors.....if that's what does end up happening....just through the sake of loyalty and sentiment. THAT was my point. I said "to the end". I've not said we should be getting rid of Lloris now, have I? But we also cannot ignore the errors he's making. Trivial errors and not just for Spurs, he's been doing similar things for France as well.

Take Joe Hart as an example. He had one good game the other day vs Chelsea but in general he's been on the decline in last few years and Pep made no bones about the fact that he didn't trust Joe and shipped him out. Obviously it was easier for Pep to do because he had no relationship with Hart and even though he replaced him with another calamity in Claudio Bravo, Hart went off and was poor for Torino and has been pretty poor for West Ham.

I don't want to see any possible lasting legacy for Hugo be tarnished by the fact that we continued to defiantly play him even though his performances have declined. Many of our fans are super quick to call for Alli, Dier, Aurier or whoever to be dropped when they don't perform so why should Hugo be any different? If anything we should be more cautious with our keepers form for the very reason that his mistakes will often lead directly to goals, as they have done on numerous occasions this season.

 

[cider spurs]

@JonnySpurs...maybe some fans are too "super quick" to call for players to be dropped.

I'm all for improvement and healthy competition. I just think it all a little too soon to be writing off Lloris so quickly.
(that's not saying you yourself have written him off)

 

[Gassin's finest]

Jesus... what happened to "supporting" the footballers who actually play football for your football team? Maybe get off their backs and get behind them instead?

He had a howler on Saturday... you don't ostracise them, you pick them up.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Jesus... what happened to "supporting" the footballers who actually play football for your football team? Maybe get off their backs and get behind them instead?

He had a howler on Saturday... you don't ostracise them, you pick them up.

He's not even one of the "bad" ones.

You know you're losing the plot when your best players are no longer good enough

 

[bubble07]

He obviously deserves to start as no1 next season but he can't have the same season he had this season. In previous seasons he was making worldy saves. This season its hard to pick out any real stand out ones

 

[Gilzeanking]

Jesus... what happened to "supporting" the footballers who actually play football for your football team? Maybe get off their backs and get behind them instead?

He had a howler on Saturday... you don't ostracise them, you pick them up.

I agree with this general sentiment , but what I don't understand is the concept that what we say in SC affects the footballer concerned ...that we are on Lloris's actual back causing him upset . These are opinions on a football forum designed for the airing of opinions , not a real address to the player .

 

[TaoistMonkey]

He obviously deserves to start as no1 next season but he can't have the same season he had this season. In previous seasons he was making worldy saves. This season its hard to pick out any real stand out ones

 

[Shadydan]

Let's not let facts get in the way of a forced narrative though

 

[bubble07]

Great save. Last year he pulled that off more then a few times though

 

[cider spurs]

Great save. Last year he pulled that off more then a few times though

Well this is from his supposed " get rid quick" current season.

Some saves you'd expect a keeper to save...some allow myself a wee chuckle at the idea he's got to go.

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

He’s made a couple of mistakes, but apart from De Gea and possibly Ederson I’d struggle to name a keeper in the Premier League I’d rather have as our number one.

Courtois too I’d say.
Big fan of Hugo, best keeper I’ve seen in a Spurs shirt.
The mistakes are worrying though, as they have become more frequent over the last two seasons.
I’m all for bringing in some fresh blood in the summer, as serious competition might be exactly what he needs.
Nick Pope is a great shout, been superb this season.

 

[ajspurs]

Obviously we want to get behind the guy, I think he's always had a couple of mistakes in him but this is the first time there's really been what some could consider too many. I think it's fair to say, like our other prime players such as Eriksen and Kane, you shouldn't just drop them when we know what they can be and when they're out of form. I think with anyone though, you also have to acknowledge that poor form can only continue for so long before action may be taken. It is harder for keepers because they can't really hide anywhere, when they make mistakes they often lead directly to goals.

We will be sticking with him I'm sure, though I think people have to acknowledge that there has to be some improvement too. I want us to stick with him, but at the same time, with the way he's going he's becoming a bit of a problem. It will do him and us the world of good to have 3 or so games on the bounce without any incident.