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Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

Mullers

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Costly errors put Hugo Lloris under the spotlight

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...put-hugo-lloris-under-the-spotlight-ntxxz5lms

There has been a good deal of worrying about Hugo Lloris of late, here and in France, even if his Tottenham Hotspur manager yesterday described him as one of the best goalkeepers in the world. Horrible mistakes and indecision against Manchester City on Saturday were on the back of costly clangers in other recent games and it has been an indifferent season for the Spurs captain.

Lloris is either going through a rough patch or starting to show signs of decline.....

....Lloris has made five mistakes that have led directly to league goals this season, and the statisticians did not attribute either mistake as down to him in the 3-1 defeat by City. He made just two costly errors last season and three in the campaign before. Tottenham have also conceded 30 league goals this season, more than than they did in the whole of the 2016-17 campaign.

When he recklessly charged out of his goal and scythed down Raheem Sterling on Saturday, Lloris showed his tendency to panic in one-on-one situations. It was a similar picture a week earlier when he raced off his line to clear a through ball and hammered it straight at Mame Biram Diouf, who equalised for Stoke City.

Another of his weaknesses was highlighted a fortnight ago when he flapped at a cross and Álvaro Morata nodded Chelsea into the lead. Lloris redeemed himself with stops, and Tottenham won 3-1, but it was not the only time that he has struggled with crosses. He is relatively short for a goalkeeper, at 6ft 2in, and this counts against him with high crosses. There are 12 other goalkeepers in the top flight who are more successful at claiming high balls.........
What about the rest of the team? Why did we let Jesus burst through with only Hugo to beat? Nothing much hugo could do there.

2nd goal he was put in a situation where he had to take a risk and gave away a penalty.

3rd goal no defenders around to stop the rebound.
 

Bus-Conductor

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What about the rest of the team? Why did we let Jesus burst through with only Hugo to beat? Nothing much hugo could do there.

2nd goal he was put in a situation where he had to take a risk and gave away a penalty.

3rd goal no defenders around to stop the rebound.


First goal I have heavily criticised Kane, and our general lack of pressure on their defenders/midfield combined with a high line, in other threads (match/ratings). The second is also a result of poor play, Lamela calls for it short then runs long and Trippier gives the ball away.

But that doesn't change the fact that Lloris's judgement (or actions) is very erroneous on all three goals. I have no idea what he's trying to do with Jesus, but whatever it is it looks illogical and didn't work. The second goal I don't think he needs to come charging out, Sterling is not bearing down on goal he's right out on the corner of our pen box and Sanche is quick and would surely have caught him, and he's never getting there.

Last week he comes out correctly, possibly, but then whacks the ball the only place he shouldn't and it costs us a goal.

This is not new with Lloris, he's been doing stuff like this, intermittently, throughout his career, for France and Lyon.

It's about his decision making IMO. It's great being a pro-active keeper, but only if that pro-activeness is combined with great cognitive functionality.

Against Chelsea, I don't mind him coming for the ball, I want a keeper who commands his space, but again, he gets it wrong and in doing so influences Sanchez, who probably could have headed it.

I think he's been done a few times this year by what I think were soft shots because he's not getting his angles quite right.

I don't think Lloris's passing is bad per se, but he plays daft passes too. I understand we are a team that wants to build from the back, often starting with the keeper, but that doesn't give him anymore carte blanche to make stupid passes that put us under pressure than anyone else, a stupid pass is a stupid pass. Trying to chip the ball to a FB, squeezed up against the touch line when he's got a man up his arse and we are getting pressed is never tactically astute, no matter what your philosophy is.


Again, this is all about decision making, intelligence and cognition. I think don't think Lloris is a dimwit, he's seems like a very bright chap, but I think under pressure his composure is sometimes disturbed and his decision making suffers.

He gets a to of leeway because he looks "right" and he's competent at a multitude of facets, unlike some keepers who are more one dimensional, but I think there are some issues with all those facets. As I've said before, I think he's good at various things but not great at any of them. But Ive also said, It won't be easy to find a keeper who is great at everything.
 

jonathanhotspur

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If I’m being harsh - he should have saved that penalty last night. Got a full hand to it, but had flappy wrists.
Hooray! Now I feel safe raising my head above the parapet.

Very weak wrists. And he knew it, too. That's why he thumped the turf in frustration.
 

danielneeds

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Hooray! Now I feel safe raising my head above the parapet.

Very weak wrists. And he knew it, too. That's why he thumped the turf in frustration.
I mean, I don’t expect my keeper to be saving many penalties, but Lloris hasn’t saved one in over five years. I think one hit him once, but that’s it.
 

Thewobbler

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What about the rest of the team? Why did we let Jesus burst through with only Hugo to beat? Nothing much hugo could do there.

2nd goal he was put in a situation where he had to take a risk and gave away a penalty.

3rd goal no defenders around to stop the rebound.

Did he really need to come out on the 2nd goal. Sterling was on his weaker foot. It was reckless.
 

agrdavidsfan

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First goal I have heavily criticised Kane, and our general lack of pressure on their defenders/midfield combined with a high line, in other threads (match/ratings). The second is also a result of poor play, Lamela calls for it short then runs long and Trippier gives the ball away.

But that doesn't change the fact that Lloris's judgement (or actions) is very erroneous on all three goals. I have no idea what he's trying to do with Jesus, but whatever it is it looks illogical and didn't work. The second goal I don't think he needs to come charging out, Sterling is not bearing down on goal he's right out on the corner of our pen box and Sanche is quick and would surely have caught him, and he's never getting there.

Last week he comes out correctly, possibly, but then whacks the ball the only place he shouldn't and it costs us a goal.

This is not new with Lloris, he's been doing stuff like this, intermittently, throughout his career, for France and Lyon.

It's about his decision making IMO. It's great being a pro-active keeper, but only if that pro-activeness is combined with great cognitive functionality.

Against Chelsea, I don't mind him coming for the ball, I want a keeper who commands his space, but again, he gets it wrong and in doing so influences Sanchez, who probably could have headed it.

I think he's been done a few times this year by what I think were soft shots because he's not getting his angles quite right.

I don't think Lloris's passing is bad per se, but he plays daft passes too. I understand we are a team that wants to build from the back, often starting with the keeper, but that doesn't give him anymore carte blanche to make stupid passes that put us under pressure than anyone else, a stupid pass is a stupid pass. Trying to chip the ball to a FB, squeezed up against the touch line when he's got a man up his arse and we are getting pressed is never tactically astute, no matter what your philosophy is.


Again, this is all about decision making, intelligence and cognition. I think don't think Lloris is a dimwit, he's seems like a very bright chap, but I think under pressure his composure is sometimes disturbed and his decision making suffers.

He gets a to of leeway because he looks "right" and he's competent at a multitude of facets, unlike some keepers who are more one dimensional, but I think there are some issues with all those facets. As I've said before, I think he's good at various things but not great at any of them. But Ive also said, It won't be easy to find a keeper who is great at everything.

This is spot on, people have taken my heavy criticism of him on here the last few days as I want him chained to a post and pelted with rotten tomatoes but its simply not true.

All I am saying is everything he does thats silly could be avoided!

His passing numerous times costs us momentum he puts a few players in the absolute shit he has to learn sometimes you have to go long or piss the midfield out and play off the second ball. In fact I am currently coaching an u14 team who love to play out from the back but since I have taught the keeper to think are you "100% sure that if you kick this ball short we will retain possession if you are not don't do it even if you are 99% sure don't do it" I then taught the rest of the team to when the keeper shouts he's clearing it to press up and win the second or first ball and its worked wonders.

I actually think another problem with him is his wrists he seems to have really weak wrists, it could be a accumulation of things from the gloves to previous injury but something bothers him with certain shots.

But like you have said his biggest flaw is he's easily ruffled and loses his composure a typical French man to be fair.

But by no means do I want him him out he's a good keeper that could do with some competition or maybe a quick spell on the bench to refocus.
 

Dzejkob

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If I’m being harsh - he should have saved that penalty last night. Got a full hand to it, but had flappy wrists.

I also think that Lloris is quite poor when it comes to penalties but I think his height can be little excues. Let's get back to Juventus away. First penalty he felt which way to go and I'm not 100% sure about it but I think he even touched the ball. But it was just to powerfull and to precise for him. Maybe if he was taller he would save it. Then second penalty. Higuain hit the post but Lloris stay in the middle so if it goes little bit lower he would save it. City game, he got it wrong. And finally Brighton he got it right but the shot again was to powerfull and broke his hand. Again, maybe if he was taller...

So yeah I know he hasn't saved any of last penalties but I can see little improvment in "feeling the shooter".
 

jonathanhotspur

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I also think that Lloris is quite poor when it comes to penalties but I think his height can be little excues. Let's get back to Juventus away. First penalty he felt which way to go and I'm not 100% sure about it but I think he even touched the ball. But it was just to powerfull and to precise for him. Maybe if he was taller he would save it. Then second penalty. Higuain hit the post but Lloris stay in the middle so if it goes little bit lower he would save it. City game, he got it wrong. And finally Brighton he got it right but the shot again was to powerfull and broke his hand. Again, maybe if he was taller...

So yeah I know he hasn't saved any of last penalties but I can see little improvment in "feeling the shooter".
I hear ya, man. He used to dive out of the way of the shot. I put it down to his sense of humour.
 

Saoirse

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@Anurag Jo @RickyVilla It literally bounced under his hand... it's a pretty shocking goal to concede


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Saoirse

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Mauricio made a mistake today in my opinion.
I don't blame him to be fair. Lloris has been in catastrophically bad form. And it sends the wrong message out if Vorm misses the big game, having done well in the cups all season, no matter how badly Lloris is doing - it tells those not in the first XI that they'll never get an opportunity and may as well leave. It's unfortunate Vorm didn't take his chance today, but the way he's been playing I'd hardly be confident that Lloris would've done any better.
 

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If our budget really is £150m. I’d have no issue going £80m on Oblak. Has to be worth 10-15pts a season. Yes harsh on Hugo but if you want to be the best you have to make these big calls. Still leaves £70m for a CM.
 

Cravenspurs

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If our budget really is £150m. I’d have no issue going £80m on Oblak. Has to be worth 10-15pts a season. Yes harsh on Hugo but if you want to be the best you have to make these big calls. Still leaves £70m for a CM.

He is def up there in the battle for top GK in the world and saves Atletico just like De Gea does for Man U. IDK if I would be dropping that much though on a keeper especially when I think with an improved midfield, we will see less pressure on Lloris.

Hugo still has great reactions and is a top shot stopper, but the risky bit of his game that made him a top 10 GK in the world have become less "Yes Hugo!! What a charge!" and more "wait, wait, wait...fuck me".

If Gazz is looked at as the one to take the reigns I am a bit worried because he had some real dodgy moments in the Palace game even though he copped a lot of praise.

I am not sure who is worthy to become our #1, but I have liked what I have seen out of Pope.
 

Shadydan

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If our budget really is £150m. I’d have no issue going £80m on Oblak. Has to be worth 10-15pts a season. Yes harsh on Hugo but if you want to be the best you have to make these big calls. Still leaves £70m for a CM.

This is actually laughable :D
 
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