Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

[Navin R Johnson]

Im almost 100% certain he does it because Poch tells him to, stupid or not. And yeah, you do what your manager tells you to.

I couldn't disagree more, there's team instructions and then there's taking the responsibility for doing the right thing when taking orders are the wrong thing to do.

 

[Dzejkob]

I've said that before and I stick to it: Lloris is up there with the best goalkeepers in the world, but he is the worst of them.

 

[Spursmatty87]

It comes down two things that the defence needs to trust the keeper and the keeper needs to trust the defence. It doesn’t look like either is happening to me.

 

[nailsy]

Lets also forget the number of chances we could have put away to kill the game at 2-1, the fact that the goal wasn't even conceded by Hugo and that it was a harsh red card.

Why do you think it was a harsh red card? he denied a goal scoring opportunity didn't he?

It's a difficult one because a lot of times he does get it right, at times only just. It's the risky side of the sweeper keeper role he has. He can make 10 of those and get away with it so people credit him. Then he'll make an error and cost a goal (which he didn't last night) or in this case get sent off and people criticise him. He does need to judge these situations better and not come charging out as often. But he does also need to continue being decisive in situations when the defence are upfield. If there's a defender near the offensive player and it's outside the box he needs to stay put.

This mistake didn't cost us though. Sanchez was sloppy on the ball and then Eriksen also gives a sloppy pass away. So the error was caused by those 2 first and foremost. The fact is we should have been more than 1 goal in front by that time anyway. We didn't concede because we had 10 men either, we conceded from poor marking. Lets not forget Lloris got us a win against West Ham only the other day too. So yes he has cost us at times this season (this wasn't really one of them either) but he's also saved us. We've lost 1 CL game with Lloris in goal and drawn 1, won all league games.

PSV hadn't had a shot in the second half prior to the sending off. It totally changed the game. It doesn't really matter who made the first mistake, getting yourself sent off to try and make up for it is still a massive error. And I'm saying that as someone who wants him kept in the team.

That's just not true. I believe he had one of the highest errors leading to goals in the PL last season, along with Cech, who's been put out to pasture now. This is a massive test for Poch. The goalkeeper is such a crucial part of a team - you can see the difference it's made to Liverpool this season. Either he's got to find a way to restore Lloris' confidence and security, or he's got to make a hard decision for the future.

Cech was still the Arsenal goalkeeper prior to his injury - he' played every minute until then. I agree that the coaching staff need to work on the mental side of the game to help Lloris though. He reminds a bit of Joe Hart who used to get really hyped up before the big games. Hugo's still a great player, but something just isn't right at the moment.

The errors are starting to mount up now, but it's not just that. He continues to play out from the back when so many teams have now identified it as an area where we can be caught out. It seems that every game we have a situation where we get hemmed in around our own penalty area, and usually there is absolutely no need for it. Maybe the CMs aren't finding spaces where they can receive the ball, but whatever it is, it's playing with fire.

As others have said that comes from the manager and the coaching staff. I hope we give him licence to kick it long at times against City this weekend as they're going to press our players into mistakes otherwise.

 

[mil1lion]

PSV hadn't had a shot in the second half prior to the sending off. It totally changed the game. It doesn't really matter who made the first mistake, getting yourself sent off to try and make up for it is still a massive error. And I'm saying that as someone who wants him kept in the team.

What I'm saying is that the game should have been dead and buried by that time, same as the Inter game. Whether it's an individual error like Lloris getting sent off or world class finish like Icardi, a goal can come from anywhere. So yes maybe it changed the game in the last 10 minutes but there was 80 minutes where we were in control. Not getting more than 1 goal in front is ultimately what cost us the game.

 

[TheAmerican]

Funny how you say I'm the one who's being biased when you guys are the ones who seem to be following this form of mob mentality, wanting to jump all over Lloris for every decision/excecusion he makes that is questionable or less than perfect.

The only way Hugo's mistake changed the game (if it was a mistake at all) was in preventing PSV to get an equalizer at that moment. It's not the fault of Lloris that the rest of the team couldn't maintain the lead after he was off, the dynamics of the game didn't change that much after he was sent off as PSV were already pushing for an equalizer before that incident. And how come you're only blaiming Lloris for us being reduced to 10 men and not Eriksen for giving the ball away at such a dangerous position?

Hugo didn't need to come out, he didn't need to challenge for the ball, but he did. He's been very poor at this recently. You have two defenders on him. I honestly believe it would have taken a really nice shot to score from that position, had Hugo not came out.

 

[dtxspurs]

If you all want to go GK shopping Germany is the place to go. They aren't nearly as expensive over there. Just look at the one Arsenal got.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

No way Hugo needed to come out, however at 2-1 78mins played away in Europe, a game we must win, our defence is so spread out. Why can't we play a more narrow defensive unit and attack with the 3 up top. It's either disrespect of opponents or naivity which the manager and coaches must see from the side.

 

[Shadydan]

No way Hugo needed to come out, however at 2-1 78mins played away in Europe, a game we must win, our defence is so spread out. Why can't we play a more narrow defensive unit and attack with the 3 up top. It's either disrespect of opponents or naivity which the manager and coaches must see from the side.
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Because we were on the attack and gave the ball away in midfield.

At the end of the day this is how we play, high risk/high reward, we play on the front foot and IMO it's better to play like that to keep teams at the other end of the pitch, it's just unfortunate that in this circumstance that one of our best players gave the ball away unexpectedly and another one of our best players had a rush of blood.

 

[Locotoro]

Why do you think it was a harsh red card? he denied a goal scoring opportunity didn't he?

I thought it was harsh because a) he wasn't the last man and at that point, it was not a clear goalscoring opportunity and b) because it was in no way dangerous or intentional. As far as I'm aware these are the only reasons he should have got a red.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

I’m not bothered about that. You don’t expect keepers to save pens. If they do, great, if they don’t I’m not bothered.

The one area he really needs to improve on (and has done for years and has been said by everyone) is his distribution. It’s terrible sometimes.

His distribution is not going to improve now.

 

[wrd]

Because we were on the attack and gave the ball away in midfield.

At the end of the day this is how we play, high risk/high reward, we play on the front foot and IMO it's better to play like that to keep teams at the other end of the pitch, it's just unfortunate that in this circumstance that one of our best players gave the ball away unexpectedly and another one of our best players had a rush of blood.

We can't win, either we are playing too defensive and didn't go for the kill or we are too spread out considering it's the 78th minute. Frankly I see it as being careless in possession in 1 moment which undermined the fact we were in completely control at that point and then hugo made a poor decision. It happens but the problem we have is that we've had 2 leads squandered in europe meaning we're likely to head out.

 

[Saoirse]

I'm also left wondering exactly what Vorm has to do in order to be overtaken by Gazzaniga in the pecking order. It can't be good for morale when selection is so clearly not based on performances.

 

[nailsy]

What I'm saying is that the game should have been dead and buried by that time, same as the Inter game. Whether it's an individual error like Lloris getting sent off or world class finish like Icardi, a goal can come from anywhere. So yes maybe it changed the game in the last 10 minutes but there was 80 minutes where we were in control. Not getting more than 1 goal in front is ultimately what cost us the game.

I get what you're saying, but the chances are that if we'd kept eleven men on the pitch we would have kept them at bay or scored another. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I thought it was harsh because a) he wasn't the last man and at that point, it was not a clear goalscoring opportunity and b) because it was in no way dangerous or intentional. As far as I'm aware these are the only reasons he should have got a red.

If he got past Hugo he had an open goal to fire into didn't he? To be honest I need to see it again so I'm not saying you're wrong.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

We can't win, either we are playing too defensive and didn't go for the kill or we are too spread out considering it's the 78th minute. Frankly I see it as being careless in possession in 1 moment which undermined the fact we were in completely control at that point and then hugo made a poor decision. It happens but the problem we have is that we've had 2 leads squandered in europe meaning we're likely to head out.

I'm not saying we shouldn't kill the game off but do we need to get the fullbacks that high up. In this scenario I agree we got caught cold by the interception but in a lot of our games we get caught on the break and full backs are always ahead of the ball. Davies imo isn't that effective going forward anyway. Playing 4 at the back the fb on the opposite side should just tuck round. We had eriksen, lamela, kane and son on with winks. Surely enough attackers with goals in them.

 

[fortworthspur]

I thought it was harsh because a) he wasn't the last man and at that point, it was not a clear goalscoring opportunity and b) because it was in no way dangerous or intentional. As far as I'm aware these are the only reasons he should have got a red.

it was a pretty clear goal scoring opportunity. There was another Spur player just behind the ball, but it was a goal scoring opportunity, and punishable by a free kick or PK.

 

[ralvy]

Hugo didn't need to come out, he didn't need to challenge for the ball, but he did. He's been very poor at this recently. You have two defenders on him. I honestly believe it would have taken a really nice shot to score from that position, had Hugo not came out.

No, man, it's highly debatable. I understand why you feel he didn't need to go for the ball, but I also understand why Lloris felt he had to go for it. Not only his trust in our defensive unity must have been shaken quite a bit after that first goal we conceded, but also Lozano was having a very good game and he was winning a high percentage of his duels against our players.

Not only that, Lloris challenge wasn't even all that bad. Don't get me wrong, it was a poor excecution, but Lozano also played it quite intelligently by taking the ball out from the equation and making sure Lloris would tackle only him and not the ball.

 

[isaac94]

If you all want to go GK shopping Germany is the place to go. They aren't nearly as expensive over there. Just look at the one Arsenal got.

Completely agree Timo Horn (2nd div), Jiří Pavlenka, Koen Casteels to name but a few

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Poch just said this in response to Lloris' critics
"People have short memories in football"

This one short statement is so much more meaningful than all the 1000+ posts combined about nonsense like distribution, distributions and distributioned.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

If you decide to rush out, you have to make it. End of.

He is one of the best in the world at it. Issue is if you play that style occasionally you won’t make it. Still, I prefer he take that risk than be glued to his line like the keeper he replaced