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Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

ajspurs

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Because we were on the attack and gave the ball away in midfield.

At the end of the day this is how we play, high risk/high reward, we play on the front foot and IMO it's better to play like that to keep teams at the other end of the pitch, it's just unfortunate that in this circumstance that one of our best players gave the ball away unexpectedly and another one of our best players had a rush of blood.

I just find there needs to be a better balance sometimes though. We did the same at home to Liverpool in which they broke away and all of a sudden they were charging at just two of our centre backs. Trippier on the right you can more so understand because he gets assists and creates chances, but the pay off for Davies on the other side isn't necessarily great. I know it's from a build up aspect as well as chance creation, but we would have been like that had it been 15 minutes to go or 3 minutes to go and that's an unnecessary risk in my opinion.

I agree in that it's a generally better approach, but I think you need to know how to tighten up and stay compact also, especially in the Champions League. I don't see why we can't develop more than one style or setup for certain situations.
 

kmk

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From the BBC Sport commentary of Netherlands v Spurs
74 mins

Spurs fans will be pleased to know that Hugo Lloris is having a blinder. Moments after Antoine Griezmann had a sniff of goal at one end, Memphis Depay wriggles on to his left foot and sees Lloris save well at his near post.
Then, from the corner, Depay lines up a long-ranger which is an even better strike and Lloris claws that one out as well!
 

Kiedis

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Seemingly saving our bacon thus far this season. For my fellow stats wankers (off Paul Rileys twitter):
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It's just about what De Gea was doing last season, and we have to get better defensively if we want to keep getting decent results.
 

mark87

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Seemingly saving our bacon thus far this season. For my fellow stats wankers (off Paul Rileys twitter):
DsZFcGpWsAA1-BT.jpg


It's just about what De Gea was doing last season, and we have to get better defensively if we want to keep getting decent results.

A gooner friend said Hugo is close to a mental breakdown so I think I'd prefer to believe him, makes much more sense than stats showing he's performing well this season.
 

Locotoro

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Those stats are compelling. Not only is he performing better than other GKs, but the saves are also of a higher quantity and quality in most cases.

Also, for those of you who think we don't have a plan B or a second was to play, i'd disagree. When we need to we can play on the counter and we can do it very well.
 

ralvy

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Seemingly saving our bacon thus far this season. For my fellow stats wankers (off Paul Rileys twitter):
DsZFcGpWsAA1-BT.jpg


It's just about what De Gea was doing last season, and we have to get better defensively if we want to keep getting decent results.

Yeah, but I thought he was DONE because of that time he made a mistake against Barcelona and that other time he got a red card against PSV. Oh yeah, and how can we forget that other time he misskick a ball against city! Fuck your nerdy stats man.
 

spursfan77

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That table is all down to our problems in central midfield and our full backs seemingly losing all kind of form. They just aren’t being strong enough and are leaving our centre backs exposed time and again through bad choices and mistakes.
 

Kiedis

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That table is all down to our problems in central midfield and our full backs seemingly losing all kind of form. They just aren’t being strong enough and are leaving our centre backs exposed time and again through bad choices and mistakes.

Stats that measure where the actions that leads to shots against us show that we have a problem on the right side of our defence. That's hardly rocket science, but as you're alluding to, it's more to it than just saying that Trippier is crap defensively. I've mentioned elsewhere that we're struggling to control the game with possession of the ball.
Normally, we'll counter if it's on, but if not, we're pretty rigid in how we want our team positioned defensively before we actually attack. These days, I feel our desicion making and execution have been so off that we give the ball away before we "should" and our games becomes more end to end'y than we're comfortable with, and it's partly because of that that transition player like Sissoko have been so useful. Much may be down to Eriksen having struggled. We've had a hard time actually looking like a possession based side when he's been missing in later seasons.

Nevertheless, we've still created so many decent chances that the xG tables have us just about where we are now, so it's not like we've been getting away with murder, but we've also not been unlucky.
 

Spurslove

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Nobody in their right mind would question Hugo's keeping ability, he's right up there with the best of them.

It's his distribution which let's him down. Sometimes his passing and kicking out can be a little (let's be charitable) 'unpredictable'.

The perfect goalkeeper doesn't exist and he never has, but really, this is one area of his game Hugo really needs to improve.

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pffft

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The perfect goalkeeper doesn't exist and he never has,

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I beg to differ with the bolded bit.

Lev Yashin had everything. Literally everything. Magnificent reflexes, agility, positioning, organisational ability, distribution (both throwing and kicking), bravery... whatever you think a perfect keeper should have, he had it.
 

NinjaTuna

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I beg to differ with the bolded bit.

Lev Yashin had everything. Literally everything. Magnificent reflexes, agility, positioning, organisational ability, distribution (both throwing and kicking), bravery... whatever you think a perfect keeper should have, he had it.
There isn't really much footage of Yashin playing though so it's a little hard to judge. We just have to go off match reports a lot of the time
 

pffft

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Thanks, that was an interesting read. Out of interest, did anyone on this forum see him play in person?

I'd also be interested to know that.

I'd imagine if anybody did it would have been World Cup matches in 1966 where the USSR played at Middlesbrough, Sunderland and Everton's grounds- although he played in an England v Rest of The World game at Wembley in 1963 so maybe there too.

Mostly I'd guess people only saw occasional highlights on a crackly black and white TV or on a newsreel at the cinema.

The '60s probably seem like the Dark Ages to a lot of people on here though!
 

Kiedis

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Yeah, I like stats. They'll never tell you everything, but another thing that wont tell you everything is to watch every single Spurs game and some other games in between. So stats is a nice way to get a somewhat objective visualisation of how players compare across teams.

Statsbomb had this on goalkeeper distribution:
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It shows us that under pressure, Lloris plays a bit longer passes than Ederson, but has a comparatively very good success ratio. Some may argue that when under pressure, it's better to do what Hennessey does, and just basically give the ball to the opposition defenders. That is not what Poch wants his goalkeepers to do though.
Lloris' passing stats for long and short passes have always been good, and the fact that he has the cool to keep doing what the coach wants him to do even though he's pressured, is probably why he's held in such high regard by him.
Gazzaniga, in comparison, did tend to hoof it more when pressured in his first games this season. Don't have the stats to back in up, but I sort of feel that he's calmed down a bit.
 

longtimespur

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I beg to differ with the bolded bit.

Lev Yashin had everything. Literally everything. Magnificent reflexes, agility, positioning, organisational ability, distribution (both throwing and kicking), bravery... whatever you think a perfect keeper should have, he had it.

You must be a youngster because every one knows (or should) and agrees that "Jennings is better than Yashin, Greaves is better than Eusebio" etc etc.
 

Spurslove

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I beg to differ with the bolded bit.

Lev Yashin had everything. Literally everything. Magnificent reflexes, agility, positioning, organisational ability, distribution (both throwing and kicking), bravery... whatever you think a perfect keeper should have, he had it.

Yashin was a little bit before even my time, but when I talk about perfect goalkeepers, I'm talking about one who doesn't make any mistakes. If you can tell me, hand on heart, that Yashin was never directly responsible for letting a goal in, I'll accept what you say.

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