Player watch: Josh Onomah

[DCSPUR]

I get what you are saying about intensity, Onomah has a very relaxed demeanour, it's just how he is, and there are times when you do want him to be a bit more dynamic, but sometimes it can be deceptive. But to say he won't get stuck in is wrong, I think defensively, he's actually better than Winks, especially when played in a more 4/6 type role, he positions himself better and will get a leg in and win the ball more than Winks, it's just that Winks tears about more than Onomah does and invariably looks busier.

It's like watching Pogba and Herrera say, you watch them and think Herrera's doing loads more than Pogba, then you look at the stats and you realise Pogba's touched the ball about 20 times more than Herrara, he just doesn't look as busy doing it.

It is a bit of an English or European thing I think....remember Hoddle being in and out of the England team and a Brazilian pro noting that if he was Brazilian they would have built their team around Hod.

Similar with Johnny Barnes, of course Liverpool understood what they had but for many he was a bit laid back...certainly hurt him for England

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Really hope he is going nowhere. To be honest, we could really use him right now.

Worst news I’ve heard all season is Poch being a fan of Sissoko.

 

[DCSPUR]

ok need a hand on heart gut check from @Hercules, @IGSpur etc. do you think he will get a chance in pre-season or next season? A real chance?

 

[Johnny J]

Really hope he is going nowhere. To be honest, we could really use him right now.

Worst news I’ve heard all season is Poch being a fan of Sissoko.

I mean, I want Sissoko to do well, but he's so incredibly limited that I can't believe the reason he's starting games is anything other than due to injuries (Wanyama and Dembele, and Dier being needed at the back on occasion in Toby's absence) and him being the next most experienced first-teamer. His technique is atrocious, although he does put himself about and presumably follows instructions. And maybe he is godlike in training, but if so it sure as hell isn't translating into matches.

Most observers on here who have seen a lot of Onomah rate him very highly, and from what I've seen he has clearly got more in his locker than Sissoko. He can control a ball with one touch, for a start. Villa seems like an awful choice for a loan. Winks is decent but I rate Onomah higher, yet here we are.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Depends what you mean by quantifiable evidence. The only time they have ever played on an even playing field Onomah has looked the better player. How can you then measure when one is then played in their favourite position while the other isn't. If you asked me is Onomah a better winger than Winks is a CM the answer is a resounding no, but that isn't why people are frustrated. Re the pitting against each other. I don't think anyone is, those who sound frustrated are probably because they see what Winks is doing for the first team and are thinking 'imagine if Onomah also got his chance too, what could he do'. Nothing is ever guaranteed though. Also you need to remember the ones probably the most frustrated are also the ones who have been calling for Winks to play first team football for the last 2/3 years

To be fair you chaps woulda seen them at comparable levels, my point was that i cant agree based on what iv seen that Onomah is miles ahead of Winks, i have seen Winks play in high pressure games and perform at the highest level of club football (Madrid). Like i said before i am not saying Josh will not surpass Harry given the opportunity to do so i just personally do not see how the conclusion of Josh being miles ahead of Harry has been reached.

I am a Spurs man, as are we all and there is nothing id love more than Seeing Winks & Josh line up together on the pitch and if they can both be at the level we need them to be at as a club then even better.

I appreciate the response IG and like i said its just my 2 pence which isnt worth much.

COYS

 

[thefierycamel]

To be fair you chaps woulda seen them at comparable levels, my point was that i cant agree based on what iv seen that Onomah is miles ahead of Winks, i have seen Winks play in high pressure games and perform at the highest level of club football (Madrid). Like i said before i am not saying Josh will not surpass Harry given the opportunity to do so i just personally do not see how the conclusion of Josh being miles ahead of Harry has been reached.

I am a Spurs man, as are we all and there is nothing id love more than Seeing Winks & Josh line up together on the pitch and if they can both be at the level we need them to be at as a club then even better.

I appreciate the response IG and like i said its just my 2 pence which isnt worth much.

COYS

Because onomah pretty much always outperformed him in the same team when they played youth football together. The thing is, winks has been given the opportunity to play CM against madrid and liverpool and whoever else, Onomah has never been given a chance and that's on poch. He should have at least got the chance to play there in pre-season. Winks never played on the wing, so why is onomah being shunted there whenever he plays/played for our first team? I rate him so much, I don't think he's being treated fairly at all by poch.

 

[philip]

Because onomah pretty much always outperformed him in the same team when they played youth football together. The thing is, winks has been given the opportunity to play CM against madrid and liverpool and whoever else, Onomah has never been given a chance and that's on poch. He should have at least got the chance to play there in pre-season. Winks never played on the wing, so why is onomah being shunted there whenever he plays/played for our first team? I rate him so much, I don't think he's being treated fairly at all by poch.

Reason is presumably cos Winks offers us something different that our (previous) first teamers didn't have, whereas Onomah offers us things that our first team CMs already had.

 

[beats1]

Winks was on The Lane programme recently and admitted he was a moaner. Josh is a different character. We will need to persevere with him just like United have done with Lingard. He is 25 now and is just establishing himself as a first choice.
Steve Perryman was my favourite player. You could say that the creative players flourished because of him being in the team. He always performed in the big away games at United Leeds Pool Everton while the likes of Peters and Hoddle hardly ever did. Chiv used to last 10 mins at Anfield till Tommy Smith kicked him up in the air. Never seen again.

The difference is, Lingard has never been a standout out player.

For example, he has never been one of the best players in his age group but he has always done enough to progress, it would be more akin to Ceballos or Harrison making it at spurs.

In actual fact in the 2013 U21 final, Lingard played the full 90mins and I dont think one person would have him in their combined best 11 for either team.

The only reason Lingard has a career at United is because of LVG

 

[beats1]

Because onomah pretty much always outperformed him in the same team when they played youth football together. The thing is, winks has been given the opportunity to play CM against madrid and liverpool and whoever else, Onomah has never been given a chance and that's on poch. He should have at least got the chance to play there in pre-season. Winks never played on the wing, so why is onomah being shunted there whenever he plays/played for our first team? I rate him so much, I don't think he's being treated fairly at all by poch.

In my opinion Poch, for all the praise he gets for the way he has us playing, in terms of his two CM positions he does like his physically strong, athletic and high workrate players, who like to get stuck in.

Despite Harry being relatively small in height he is more like a scott parker in the way he is built

Josh and Milos both are relatively strong but they dont tend to run around a lot partly because they read the game very well, now Josh actually runs a lot more than people realise and I'm sure his distance covered would be very high but he doesnt look like he is covering a lot of ground similar to eriksen first under poch

 

[Bobbins]

Another one for r/thathappened.

Then everyone clapped.

And that coaches name? Coachbert Soccerstein, who then gave him $100%.

 

[Bobbins]

2 of the best 5/6 players I've seen in our academy have left with zero chances. One has got a chance luckily, and is World Class and the other 3 are still here, we should be trying to give those with the most ability a chance to prove it

Who are the players who left with zero chances (Pritchard presumably and? Who is the world class one?), who are the other three? Just interested in your opinion.

 

[DannyNZ]

Because onomah pretty much always outperformed him in the same team when they played youth football together. The thing is, winks has been given the opportunity to play CM against madrid and liverpool and whoever else, Onomah has never been given a chance and that's on poch. He should have at least got the chance to play there in pre-season. Winks never played on the wing, so why is onomah being shunted there whenever he plays/played for our first team? I rate him so much, I don't think he's being treated fairly at all by poch.

I'm not sure it is that complicated, both had limited chances with the first team and Winks took those opportunities sadly Onomah has never looked comfortable when he had his opportunities with the firsts and he is not exactly setting the championship alight. Winks hasn't made the full England side by accident.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Who are the players who left with zero chances (Pritchard presumably and? Who is the world class one?), who are the other three? Just interested in your opinion.

I would guess Kane is the world class one.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Because onomah pretty much always outperformed him in the same team when they played youth football together. The thing is, winks has been given the opportunity to play CM against madrid and liverpool and whoever else, Onomah has never been given a chance and that's on poch. He should have at least got the chance to play there in pre-season. Winks never played on the wing, so why is onomah being shunted there whenever he plays/played for our first team? I rate him so much, I don't think he's being treated fairly at all by poch.

That may well be the case and as i said i havent seen them perform at a comparable level, however being the better player at youth level shouldnt be the barometer to who is better at the seniors especially when kids all grow and develop at different ages.

Josh to me has always been physically mature (from when i have first seen him in and around the first team) so it is likely he was dominating the other kids with skill as well as physicallity how that translates to the seniors is still somewhat an unknown quantity.

And you have got to remember that it is not all about ability to make it to the highest level you have to have a mental steel and an edge, Scott Parker for example was never technically the best footballer but he had the determination and mental game. Now fingers crossed Josh’s loan at Villa is more about the mental fortitude rather than football as Villa are gash & and play gash football without a proper system.

COYS

 

[coys200]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCTransTweet/status/949722318963724288

Interesting thread they really really don’t rate him. After 40 appearances with us and now this at Villa. Whatever he may have shown at the World Cup or on training pitch. When it matters he really hasn’t shone in over 60 appearances in club football. Unless something drastic happens next season I think he will be on his way.

 

[Johnny J]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCTransTweet/status/949722318963724288

Interesting thread they really really don’t rate him. After 40 appearances with us and now this at Villa. Whatever he may have shown at the World Cup or on training pitch. When it matters he really hasn’t shone in over 60 appearances in club football. Unless something drastic happens next season I think he will be on his way.

Must be hard to shine in that Villa side, they're a bunch of cloggers and he is often played out of position, ie not in CM. Looking good at a national tournament didn't hurt Sissoko.

 

[mill]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCTransTweet/status/949722318963724288

Interesting thread they really really don’t rate him. After 40 appearances with us and now this at Villa. Whatever he may have shown at the World Cup or on training pitch. When it matters he really hasn’t shone in over 60 appearances in club football. Unless something drastic happens next season I think he will be on his way.

Maybe they should try him in goal?

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCTransTweet/status/949722318963724288

Interesting thread they really really don’t rate him. After 40 appearances with us and now this at Villa. Whatever he may have shown at the World Cup or on training pitch. When it matters he really hasn’t shone in over 60 appearances in club football. Unless something drastic happens next season I think he will be on his way.

I know its only twitter but the general theme is that he doesnt work hard enough, track back or put himself about...all of those traits are required in a Pochettino team, going to be a big year for Josh...make or break with us id say. Good luck to the lad really hope he makes it.

 

[coys200]

Maybe they should try him in goal?

Mock all you like, but still maintain if it’s not working out for a clearly talented young player in a certain position there’s no harm trying him in another position before totally discarding him. The obvious example is you know who that started as a striker. If josh was 5 8’ And a skinny runt I’d say my idea could be frowned upon. But he easily has all the physical and technical ability to play as a CB or a striker. A CB being the more likely imo.Tbh it’s only true geniuses like myself and pep that have this foresight.

 

[Clark28]

I know its only twitter but the general theme is that he doesnt work hard enough, track back or put himself about...all of those traits are required in a Pochettino team, going to be a big year for Josh...make or break with us id say. Good luck to the lad really hope he makes it.

Villa talk was full of posts saying the same thing, it didn't make for pleasant reading.