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Player watch: Josh Onomah

dace

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As is the case for most players, he had to/ had to take his chance when it came along, if he is a CM and gets asked to play on the wing he has to bust a gut each and every chance he gets.

Onomah appears to have a languid approach to the game which does not help.

imho he is not good enough for Spurs but I wish him well and hopefully he will get a good career.
 

JimmyG2

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he only made five appearances for them, no goals. their fans said he was a useless donkey(typical fan nonsense but i remember it well), he missed a sitter in one game and it all stemmed from that. he then drops back down to the championship and has another poor loan with leicester. "if he can't get in a crap leicester team with david nugent up front then he'll obviously never make it here" was the common cry from a lot of our fans, though i'm sure they'll all conveniently now tell you that they always knew kane would make it.

was much the same story with danny rose, three failed championship loans(worse than onomah's) and even at 23 the overwhelming majority of our fan base were adamant that he was a terrible player with a terrible attitude. i'm not saying these two examples mean that onomah will therefore go the same way but you'd think fans would learn to stop jumping the gun on our young players so quickly.

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is touched with fairy dust
and is nailed-on
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It's come true at least twice
and I can cope with the ridicule.
The negativity is a form
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upon the ground
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Love these boys
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TheVoiceofReason

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I’ve always liked what I’ve seen with Josh, but I think it’s now or never for him with us. Shame he was loaned out in the first place with all the injuries we’ve had in his position. If we aren’t going to sign a CM, call him back and see if he can make an impact.
 

JimmyG2

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As is the case for most players, he had to/ had to take his chance when it came along, if he is a CM and gets asked to play on the wing he has to bust a gut each and every chance he gets.

Onomah appears to have a languid approach to the game which does not help.

imho he is not good enough for Spurs but I wish him well and hopefully he will get a good career.

Never hurt Berbatov or Pogba or Dele.
 

spursfan77

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Onomah may have another chance but he is injured again so will have to wait his turn. Poch was asked if he might consider cutting the loan and he said 'considering' or words to that effect.

Exactly. I think people are getting ahead of themselves if they think he’s definitely coming back.

Poch will know whether the player is ready for a CM berth. I’m sure he’s been on at the player in regards to his application. If he hasn’t consistently proved himself then Poch isn’t going to want to recall him.

I think one factor that Poch might consider is Steve Bruce. He will have seen Onomah’s performances at Villa under Bruce, spoke to Bruce about Onomah in training as well as games and will also have asked Onomah about life under Bruce and whether he wants to stay at Wednesday and be managed by him again. I think that will have quite a baring on whether he’s recalled as much as our injury situation. If he’s not going to play, what’s the point in sending him back there.
 

Primativ

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He wasn't injured at leicester and was terrible. He was their 4th choice striker behind woods, nugent and vardy. The only way he could play in Peasons system was a left winger.

Kane was fucking shit at Left wing

He was also one of Millwall's best players and scored 7 in 22 games. It's not right to say all his loans were poor.
 

Primativ

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Onomah does have a defined position. He's a cm, he just almost never gets played there at first team club level.

And why does he never get played in his "position"?

You need to ask yourself that. I would suggest it's because he doesn't display enough for the coaches to consider him there. I distinctly remember watching Onomah play for Spurs, that for all his technical and physical qualities, he completely lacked dynamism, and just let games drift him by. He didn't seem at it mentally, seemed to play the game in second gear constantly, so that's probably why he doesn't get picked in CM.
 

Primativ

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Really don't get this obsession with Onomah. There's nothing better than seeing a lad come through the ranks but we have to be realistic, none of the professional coaches that work with him every day are prepared to play him in what is referred to as his "preferred position".

I'm sorry but if anybody thinks he's up to playing CM in a team that's challenging for the league and champions league they're deluded.

Exactly. It is pure delusion, we are a top 3 side in the league, last 16 CL club. Onomah is just so far far off what we need, especially in such a key position in the side. Last time I saw him play for us he got completely and utterly dominated by Liverpool's reserves, it was actually embarrassing how bad he was and it doesn't seem like he's improved on his loans since.

The Under 20 world cup is such a low level of football, it's impossible to draw any conclusions from his youth football performances.
 

tooey

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He's nearly 22 and has failed to impress with every opportunity he's been given in senior football. The fact that he's played out of position is more a statement on his ability within his preferred position at this level, opposed to the unlikely scenario that every manager he's played under are not seeing what some of our youth team watchers do.

Having said that...There is a huge feeling of satisfaction when a academy player breaks through and I absolutely believe he should be given a proper go in our side, it might he the making of him, or it might lament what some suspect - He's not up to the elite standard required for us. We won't know till we try either way.

I think that some of the fans who take a greater interest in the academy are so desperate for some players to succeed that they wilfully ignore some players just aren't built for senior football at this level and give these players all the excuses under the sun. Alternatively some fans just want new shiny toys and rubbish any suggestion that academy products should be given a go. Ultimately we need both and with our HG quota rather thin on the ground we could do with a couple more breaking through into the senior squad.
 

Spurs_Bear

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He's nearly 22 and has failed to impress with every opportunity he's been given in senior football. The fact that he's played out of position is more a statement on his ability within his preferred position at this level, opposed to the unlikely scenario that every manager he's played under are not seeing what some of our youth team watchers do.

Having said that...There is a huge feeling of satisfaction when a academy player breaks through and I absolutely believe he should be given a proper go in our side, it might he the making of him, or it might lament what some suspect - He's not up to the elite standard required for us. We won't know till we try either way.

I think that some of the fans who take a greater interest in the academy are so desperate for some players to succeed that they wilfully ignore some players just aren't built for senior football at this level and give these players all the excuses under the sun. Alternatively some fans just want new shiny toys and rubbish any suggestion that academy products should be given a go. Ultimately we need both and with our HG quota rather thin on the ground we could do with a couple more breaking through into the senior squad.

Yep, I like that post. Only bit I’m not sure about is how do we give him a proper go in the side currently? Or what does constitute a proper go?
 

spids

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No, you stop.

It was common knowledge that we were trying to shift both Dembele and Wanyama last summer. We had no takers, so Dembele stayed an additional 6 months and then we sold him as we finally received an offer and Wanyama still hasn't kicked a ball in anger because he has what the club apparently know is a chronic knee problem.

SO when we strated the new season, it was entirely reasonable to expect Dembele and Wanyama to be completely unreliable. That left us with Sissoko who basically before the summer had barely strung two good performances together and had barely played in CM for Spurs, ever.

I am sorry but if you think going into potentially a 60 game season with 4 senior CM's, two of which are broken and we knew they were broken at the time, is acceptable, well, I can't help you.

You seem to have airbrushed Winks and Dier out of our squad, and also ignore the fact that both Dele and Eriksen can play in CM in a 4-3-3.
 

Paolo10

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Yep, I like that post. Only bit I’m not sure about is how do we give him a proper go in the side currently? Or what does constitute a proper go?

Enough games to show how much of a baller he is.

(I have it on good authority that he is a 'baller')
 

tooey

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Yep, I like that post. Only bit I’m not sure about is how do we give him a proper go in the side currently? Or what does constitute a proper go?

It's tricky, the whole management lark. Of course you want to be able to give the younger guys chances, but football is ultimately a results business and that's why most managers are apprehensive to throw a young, inexperienced guy into the team. Factor in the clamour for trophies from us lot and it becomes even more difficult. Play these guys and go out of a cup competition and it immediately becomes "Poch doesn't care about the cups", "Why are we playing youngsters in a competition we could realistically win", "top 4 isn't a trophy" etc.

I guess, like anything in football, it's a gamble. You tell him hes going to be getting some PL game time, explain that it may well be his last chance to impress, chuck him in for 2/3 games and see how he performs. He's unlikely to set the world alight but if he applies himself correctly and does the job asked of him then you continue to give him minutes. It's risky and could cost us points but the payoff could be a HG academy player who cost nothing except wages being a valuable member of the first team.

Alternatively we splash some cash and get in a player with proven quality but I can't see that happening this window.
 

SpursD22

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Have you seen the squads of those countries who've won the various U17 Euros and u17/19/20/21 World cups? Most of the players of those squads in fact never "make it" big (or even "semi big") - and that includes many of the players voted best this and that in those tournaments.
Among the players listed below in the England U-20 WC winning squad would you consider "world class" talent? And how many of them would you consider buying for Spurs?

https://www.skysports.com/football/...e-englands-world-cup-stars-u20-squad-profiled

People really need to actually read what I said
I didn’t say he was a world class talent I said if we signed a player who’s won the U17 Euros and U20 World Cup we would say that player has world class potential
 

SpursD22

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I genuinely don’t understand why people are angry that he may be recalled
Firstly he’s injured anyways and secondly who said he will be a starter? We probably won’t sign a midfielder in January and we’re seriously lacking depth in midfield so if he does get recalled he can do a job

And then what will happen in the summer we’ll see
 

SugarRay

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Never hurt Berbatov or Pogba or Dele.

They all play(ed) further up field.

We’ve all felt the panic that Dele dropping deep to pick the ball up off the centre halves. Against Tranmere he gave it away a couple of times in the first half in very dangerous positions.

I don’t necessarily agree Onomah has a languid approach by the way.
 
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