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Player Watch: Juan Foyth

WiganSpur

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The thing with Foyth is, his pure ability is unquestionable, he clearly has bags of it. Even the run he made with the ball in the seconds approaching his horror tackle was evidence of this. However, he clearly is susceptible to a rush of blood to the head in high pressure moments, it's been punished three times with this being the worst example and he's had several lucky escapes too.

The conundrum herein is that the only real way to get him to learn in this respect is to keep playing games, and have him play consistently, not 1 in every 4 (his ratio this season). The fact that, between Spurs and Estudiantes he has played fewer than 20 league matches is the issue, and I would suggest that his move to us game probably a season to early in his career, or we should have signed him but left him where was was for the duration of last season.

I think that if Foyth is every going to translate ability to performances, we need to loan him out now, while he is still young and absorbent. Keep Toby if possible, Vertonghen and Sanchez too of course, and in CCV we have a centre back who this past 6 months has proven himself dependable and solid enough. He may not be of high enough ability in the long term, but in the short term if it allowed Foyth a year to develop on loan then sell him on at the end of it, I think this would be the best approach.

I suggested earlier that a higher level Championship side would be better than a lower level Premier League side, this is because Foyth won't learn anything useful to us by playing for Brighton or Sheffield Utd and being in a set up where his sole duty is to win headers and hold position, because that's not how our centre backs play. Put him in whoever fails to get promoted out of Leeds, Villa and Derby. They all dominate possession, they all attack, and they all require their centre backs to combine defending with ball playing ability. That is where he learns how to play for Spurs.



And at 21 VVD, Vertonghen and Kompany all played in far weaker leagues than the Premier League where they could learn their trade as all rounders without every mistake resulting in near certain disaster.
I totally agree with the idea of the loan, but I think a Premier League loan would be best.

If Toby left though we'd have to go into the market, even with Dier dropping back (which i'd be in favour of). It would probably mean having to sign a centre back and 2 centre mids.

Definitely a good idea if Toby stays with us. We'd be good with Dier, Toby, Sanchez and Verts as CBs. Davies can always play if we need to play a three for whatever reason.
 

Shadydan

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Never in a million years is Foyth going out for a loan, there's deficiencies in his game which Poch would want to work on, he doesn't need to pick up any more bad habits.
 

Khilari

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Can't remember the last time Dier played CB. I'd rather we had Sanchez and Foyth as backup. Unless we sign someone better to replace him (unlikely).
 

Shadydan

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Stones is a bit-part player for City now.
I suspect he will move on in the summer.

Nah Pep said he values him long term, he continually makes glowing references to him on their documentary.

Otamendi is likely to leave and I think Stones will be the natural successor to Kompany eventually.
 

Timberwolf

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Never in a million years is Foyth going out for a loan, there's deficiencies in his game which Poch would want to work on, he doesn't need to pick up any more bad habits.
Why does a loan mean he'll develop bad habits? Rose, Kane and Walker all spent time on loan at a similar age and it didn't do them any harm. Plus Foyth is in the unique position of having never had a long run of games in his favoured position at senior level. If we could find the right team for him I think a loan might be just what he needs.

That said, it's not going to happen anyway.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Why does a loan mean he'll develop bad habits?

Well, for starters you would need to find a team that plays in possession, utilizes a high-line and high press, likes to bring the ball out from the back, and uses the CBs to help rotate the ball in the attacking end, and play long diagonal balls.

How many teams outside the top-6 play like that? How many of those teams want a CB who is learning on the job?

A typical lower-level PL club is going to play defensively, sit behind the ball, and require the CBs to play differently than Poch will expect at Spurs. Spending a year learning those "bad" habits, could be a long-term detriment to a player like Foyth.
 

Shadydan

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Why does a loan mean he'll develop bad habits? Rose, Kane and Walker all spent time on loan at a similar age and it didn't do them any harm. Plus Foyth is in the unique position of having never had a long run of games in his favoured position at senior level. If we could find the right team for him I think a loan might be just what he needs.

That said, it's not going to happen anyway.

Poch has made reference to the fact that the reason he doesn't like to send players on loan is that they pick up bad habits as footballers that don't hand in hand with his philosophy.

Regardless of that, I think whilst the loan system works for some players, it doesn't work for others, - for example Harry Winks didn't go out on loan before he broke through to the first team.
 

stevenurse

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Well, for starters you would need to find a team that plays in possession, utilizes a high-line and high press, likes to bring the ball out from the back, and uses the CBs to help rotate the ball in the attacking end, and play long diagonal balls.

How many teams outside the top-6 play like that? How many of those teams want a CB who is learning on the job?

A typical lower-level PL club is going to play defensively, sit behind the ball, and require the CBs to play differently than Poch will expect at Spurs. Spending a year learning those "bad" habits, could be a long-term detriment to a player like Foyth.

I'd take him learning not to go on marauding runs from CB and to stop fouling everyone. That'd be a good start.
 

Timberwolf

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Well, for starters you would need to find a team that plays in possession, utilizes a high-line and high press, likes to bring the ball out from the back, and uses the CBs to help rotate the ball in the attacking end, and play long diagonal balls.

How many teams outside the top-6 play like that? How many of those teams want a CB who is learning on the job?

A typical lower-level PL club is going to play defensively, sit behind the ball, and require the CBs to play differently than Poch will expect at Spurs. Spending a year learning those "bad" habits, could be a long-term detriment to a player like Foyth.
I think this is why a top end Championship side was suggested. Some Championship teams are quite progressive these days - Sheffield Utd's CBs make mad overlapping runs - and are unlikely to be dominated in the way a PL whipping boy like Huddersfield would be, plus they'd be far more like to take him and guarantee him starts. But yes, it would be nigh on impossible to find a team that plays exactly like us. That said, playing a different style would give him a lot more experience of physical, backs to the wall defending, which we're not above doing from time to time at Spurs, and is a definite weakness in his game.

But anyway, as @Shadydan just posted, Poch doesn't like loans anyway so he's sure to stay here.
 

matthew.absurdum

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It seems that he will be in the starting XI in the copa america. Starting cb today in a friendly (alonsside otamendi). Surprisingly he already has three caps for Argentina.
 

yankspurs

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But the invitees are normally from the CONCACAF federation, hence why the US , Mexico and Costa Rica have been invited the most. So inviting Japan and Qatar is very random.
The US said no this year because fuck competitiveness. They’d rather win a trophy in CONCACAF’s minnie mouse joke of a “tournament” where looking at our squad, we are more likely to crash out in the group stages. So that’s why random countries are in it. IMO, they should have just left it as CONMEBOL this year.
 
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