Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

[dtxspurs]

If by "link wel"l you mean pass sideways or backwards the I agree completely.

Just go back to that video on page 101 and watch from 2 min to 2:20, I won't ask you to sit through the rest. Walker did all those things you say he can't.

 

[Trix]

Just go back to that video on page 101 and watch from 2 min to 2:20, I won't ask you to sit through the rest. Walker did all those things you say he can't.

When have I said he can't????

All I have said is Trips does it far more often.

LOL

Waste of time this when you are just going to make up both sides of the conversation.

 

[dtxspurs]

When have I said he can't????

All I have said is Trips does it far more often.

LOL

Waste of time this when you are just going to make up both sides of the conversation.

I mean you did say he couldn't cross for shit which just isn't true.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Would City have come breaking down the door and pay through the nose on Trippier? No they wouldn't have because he is the inferior player. Pep needed a fullback so he went out and got the best one in the league. Pep is the king of passing so why wouldn't he want Trippier if he is such a significantly better player with the ball at his feet? Pep has always played with two great fullbacks: Alba/Abidal and Dani Alves, Lahm and Alaba, and now Walker and Mendy. If he thought Trippier were the better player he would have gone and bought him.

It's rarely that simple and certainly wasn't in this case. Trippier had only just started getting regular football for us, when City had already decided Walker was a good option for them. So they'd had about 7 years of PL form to work on for Walker, a high profile, English international RB, CL experience, with pace, a 90 min engine , good physique.

At the time Walker was identified as a viable target, Trippier hadn't even had a run of games for us. By the time Walker was purchased, he'd only had the back end of 16/17 season.

Now imagine the form from the back end of 16/17 and 17/18's whole form had happened in 15/16 and 16/17. Do you not think Trippier might be on City's radar as well ? Why wouldn't he be ? His qualities are certainly at least as good a match for Guardiola's football, if not better. He was happy to accept Alves's slight defensive compromise for his vastly superior attacking contribution.

Even using your own comparison, he got Walker for the same price he got Mendy (who I like but...) who is 5 years younger than him, had had one real good season in Ligue1. Walker, an England (so home grown for the squad) International, with 6/7 years top PL experience, CL, etc etc. Hardly suggests it was an exceptional fee.

 

[dtxspurs]

It's rarely that simple and certainly wasn't in this case. Trippier had only just started getting regular football for us, when City had already decided Walker was a good option for them. So they'd had about 7 years of PL form to work on for Walker, a high profile, English international RB, CL experience, with pace, a 90 min engine , good physique.

At the time Walker was identified as a viable target, Trippier hadn't even had a run of games for us. By the time Walker was purchased, he'd only had the back end of 16/17 season.

Now imagine the form from the back end of 16/17 and 17/18's whole form had happened in 15/16 and 16/17. Do you not think Trippier might be on City's radar as well ? Why wouldn't he be ? His qualities are certainly at least as good a match for Guardiola's football, if not better. He was happy to accept Alves's slight defensive compromise for his vastly superior attacking contribution.

Even using your own comparison, he got Walker for the same price he got Mendy (who I like but...) who is 5 years younger than him, had had one real good season in Ligue1. Walker, an England (so home grown for the squad) International, with 6/7 years top PL experience, CL, etc etc. Hardly suggests it was an exceptional fee.

It was the highest fee of all for a fullback of all time?

Trippier has been in the Prem for 4 years now. If he was that good he would have pushed Walker for more time rather than just the second half of a season. City have scouts, I'm sure they would have noticed him at Burnley if they thought he was as good as Walker, given that he was an academy grad of theirs after all. I'm not crowning Trippier for his form in all of 17/18 either. Why isn't ManU trying to buy him if he's that great like they are with Toby? They needed a RB, and didn't buy a super fast one in Dalot.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

It was the highest fee of all for a fullback of all time?

They paid 5m more for Mendy, a 23yo with one very good season behind him in Ligue 1. He wasn't even the most expensive FB that summer. And they were only records because of vastly inflated general market prices. They also paid 30m for Danilo FFS.

I don't think Walker has been a terrible signing for City, but I don't think it was a very good bit of business and they definitely could have done better, especially for the money.

You are talking about a club who have consistently over paid for players. In 2009 they paid a staggering 27m for Lescott, 2012 they paid 15m for Jack Rodwell, 2014 they paid 32m for Bony and 30m for Mangala, in 2016 they paid 55m for Stones.

Here's the thing. The last two managers who have had the option of both players, have both ended up choosing Trippier over Walker.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Eh, I liked Walker at wingback too for his ability to take on defenders and be everywhere on the right side of the pitch. He turned defense into attack consistently.

If by "turned defence into attack" you mean "ran the ball up the pitch", yes, Walker did that for us consistently. It's an important part of the game, especially when we're under pressure which needs to be relieved.

I get frustrated by people who always go on about Dembélé "always passing sideways", while they systematically ignore the fact that his sideways pass is made about 15-20m further up the pitch from where he collected the ball. By the time he releases the ball, he has "turned defence into attack" by taking the ball out of a defensive zone and into midfield.

But Dembélé plays in central midfield and he has other midfielders around him who are better at creative, killer passes, so he often lays the ball off to someone who can do more with it than he can. A fullback has no such option. It's part of the job description to deliver a threatening pass or cross and, over a period of many years, I lost count of the number of times Walker would win the ball, relieve pressure by racing the ball up the pitch and then ... check back ... look for a cross ... look for a pass into midfield ... hang onto the ball for a few seconds ... and then lay it off to a midfielder nearby. The alternative version, if there was no pass available, was to advance at an angle toward the box and then pass it into the knee or backside of a defender.

The effect of his rapid run, followed by hesitation and indecision, was often that it took longer for the ball to be put into an attacking position than it did when the slower Trippier would advance and then make a decisive delivery, often without slowing his pace or hesitating at all.

Physically speaking, Walker can deliver a competent cross, but it's not one of his stellar skills. His main problem isn't that the cross goes astray, it's that he either doesn't make it at all or he takes so long about it that every one of his potential targets has been marked. I've seen him play at Man City several times. He's great for them in many ways, but he still doesn't deliver the ball in a swift and decisive way. He goes through the same routine that I described above. Guardiola can't coach that out of him. No one can - he doesn't have the vision. Trippier doesn't have the pace, but he does have the vision.

 

[coys200]

Funny how people are judging Trippier off the back of a World Cup. When apparently you should never buy a player off World Cup form ?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Eh, I liked Walker at wingback too for his ability to take on defenders and be everywhere on the right side of the pitch. He turned defense into attack consistently.

Oh come on, Walker hardly ever beat his man, his technique invariably went to fucking pish when confronted with a man. He turned inside and tapped it two yards into someone else most of the time.

 

[dtxspurs]

Oh come on, Walker hardly ever beat his man, his technique invariably went to fucking pish when confronted with a man. He turned inside and tapped it two yards into someone else most of the time.

Watch the video I posted, he did it a decent amount. Also, what does Trippier do if there isn't a cross? He passes it backwards as well. Walker had a decent enough cross, was a much better defender and was a more versatile offensive threat who became the most expensive fullback of all time. Before City bought another one and Monaco knew they were desperate and what they were possibly willing to pay.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Funny how people are judging Trippier off the back of a World Cup. When apparently you should never buy a player off World Cup form ?

and people would write him off immediately if his performance in WC is sh*t

 

[dtxspurs]

Can't cross for shit... no end product.. I'm done on this subject, I'm over arguing the most expensive fullback of all time isn't as good a player as Kieran Trippier.

By the way theres a few clips in there of him rag dolling Son and Zaha.

 

[Trix]

Funny how people are judging Trippier off the back of a World Cup. When apparently you should never buy a player off World Cup form ?

Who is doing that? I know myself and BC at least have been banging the Trippier drum for a long long time.

 

[Grey Fox]

Funny how people are judging Trippier off the back of a World Cup. When apparently you should never buy a player off World Cup form ?

You did'nt watch him for last season for us then? FFS I despair

 

[Syn_13]

A great full back in a 3-5-2. Not as good in a 4-4-2.

I suspect the same can be said of Aurier and Rose so will be interesting to see whether we consider that next season.

We've looked out best when playing 3 at the back with 2 wing backs, IMO. Dier and Sanchez have looked more comfortable in a back 3 as well. It's just that Toby's injury and later exclusion stopped us from playing it. I really hope we go back to it next season.

 

[Shadydan]

Funny how people are judging Trippier off the back of a World Cup. When apparently you should never buy a player off World Cup form ?

What the fek is this post?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Can't cross for shit... no end product.. I'm done on this subject, I'm over arguing the most expensive fullback of all time isn't as good a player as Kieran Trippier.

By the way theres a few clips in there of him rag dolling Son and Zaha.

Doesn't the fact that you can only find 13 outstanding minutes of his last 15,189 minutes of football over the last 6 years rather support my case, not yours?

Using you tube is pretty silly isn't it? Sissoko's youtube makes him look great .........not completely shit.......that's the point of youtube, it's a compilation of a players very, very best bits. If I had access to all Walker's footage, the time and inclination, I could make you a youtube about 200 hours long of him doing hum drum stuff, 30 hours of him doing crap stuff, like constantly turning inside because he doesn't trust his technique to cross it first time, and about 20 hours of really mind numbingly stupid stuff, like constantly hitting the first man when in great positions, dribbling it straight into an opponent, giving a sloppy pass away when we are piled forward, standing off attackers and saying "race me", getting distracted away from the man with the ball by a "runner" and just walking off him leaving him to attack with the ball, not reading the play very well, getting done by players with quicker brains, despite having quicker legs etc etc.

I'd rather base an opinion on the whole. And I trust facts rather than highlight reels. If I had to choose which player is the better defensively, I'd say Walker, but only because f his pace combined with physicality, not because he's instinctively a better defender. And it's only marginal, Trippier doesn't cost us much defensively, he's not slow (like Corluka slow) and he does less outright stupid stuff than Walker. But if I have to choose which is the better in terms of game play and forward play, Trippier pisses it, and the stats conclusively support this.

So as a package, I'll take Trippier, because I think what he brings is worth more than what he doesn't in a team like us, the way we play, especially in any 3CB system, it's ideal for him.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Funny how people are judging Trippier off the back of a World Cup. When apparently you should never buy a player off World Cup form ?

If this is aimed at me, because that's what I said to you in your "buying players off the back of a good World Cup" thread, then you couldn't be more wrong, I've been positive about Trippier since he started getting games in 16/17 season.

 

[Sputic]

Trippier gets rinsed anytime he's up against a half-decent attacker. Luckily for him, he hasn't had to do much defending at the World Cup and he's had Walker backing him up when he has. Anyone who genuinely believes he's a better full back than Walker needs to come off the Kool-Aid.

 

[coys200]

Funny how people are judging Trippier off the back of a World Cup. When apparently you should never buy a player off World Cup form ?

There’s 12 pages of discussion on Trippier since the World Cup started. So people are obviously reassessing their opinion on him or they’d be no discussion at all. Dele’s thread isn’t even on the front page, because basically he’s done nothing to change anyone’s opinion on him except score a typical dele goal. Dier now has the majority saying he is a CB. I just have no idea why people can’t accept that a World Cup can be career changing in how a player is viewed. If it didn’t you wouldn’t have 12 fresh pages discussing Trippier. He’s now a player many top clubs would consider buying that they didn’t before. I’ve no idea how anyone could doubt that.