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Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

Led's Zeppelin

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Yes really. Foyth is never going to be a good RB. He lacks the agility and pace to ever be anything but a CB playing out of position.

KWP is a still a relative unknown at this point, but from what I've seen, he hasn't developed physically in the way a lot of us would have hoped. He looked slow and weak when he played at RB next season. The contrast with the likes of TAA and AWB, who are both a couple of years younger, is stark.

We need a new RB if we're selling Trippier.

Are you Jody Whittaker?
 

yankspurs

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Going to be another brutal season at RB then. Foyth to RB is an embarrassing failure by the club. He’s not a RB by any stretch. We still wont loan or sell KWP even though Poch clearly doesnt trust him enough to actually give an opportunity to the point that he’s cut a makeshift’s holiday so short. We want Aurier gone but are struggling to shift him. Awful situation we’ve gotten ourselves into. With this and a Toby departure, we’ll be left maddeningly short in the back 4. Leaving us short is Levy’s specialty though so you kind of expect it
 

vicbob

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Going to be another brutal season at RB then. Foyth to RB is an embarrassing failure by the club. He’s not a RB by any stretch. We still wont loan or sell KWP even though Poch clearly doesnt trust him enough to actually give an opportunity to the point that he’s cut a makeshift’s holiday so short. We want Aurier gone but are struggling to shift him. Awful situation we’ve gotten ourselves into. With this and a Toby departure, we’ll be left maddeningly short in the back 4. Leaving us short is Levy’s specialty though so you kind of expect it

That’s the spirit Hank (y)
 

glospur

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Going to be another brutal season at RB then. Foyth to RB is an embarrassing failure by the club. He’s not a RB by any stretch. We still wont loan or sell KWP even though Poch clearly doesnt trust him enough to actually give an opportunity to the point that he’s cut a makeshift’s holiday so short. We want Aurier gone but are struggling to shift him. Awful situation we’ve gotten ourselves into. With this and a Toby departure, we’ll be left maddeningly short in the back 4. Leaving us short is Levy’s specialty though so you kind of expect it
Foyth to RB an embarrassing failure by the club ...

Even though Pochettino, the manager and most important person at the club, wants him there. What the fuck does that have to do with Levy?

Fucking love all these people who believe they know better than Pochettino though. It makes it very easy to identify those who you can very easily ignore and not miss anything particularly insightful or interesting.
 

yankspurs

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Exactly this. Foyth makes us more secure at the back. Perhaps the possible 433 Poch plans on using relies on 5 offensive players (1 CF, 2 WF, 2 AM) with additional width from fullbacks when possible.

I don’t even know what the fuck I’m thinking anymore
Look, I like Foyth but he hardly makes us more secure at the back at the moment. He’s entirely too raw and reckless. He absolutely should not be relied upon as an RB or even a 3rd CB yet
 

Saoirse

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I have respect for Trippier, he'd served us well for three years, but last season was an unmitigated disaster for him and he was probably the worst first-XI fall back we've had since the days of Pascal Chimbonda. If we suspect this season would be more of the same (e.g. it's because of the groin injury or a total failure of confidence) then a young player would frankly struggle to do much worse, will benefit far more from the game time, and might just be a whole lot better. Hopefully Aurier's fitness issues are behind him too as I actually thought he started last season well.
 

Primativ

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The problem I have, is Trippier going in isolation is fine. But when you put that together with the fact that Rose is also going, and Toby is a 25 million quid bid away from leaving, all of a sudden we are looking not only light at the back, but weak and inexperienced.

For all of the talk about KWP, Poch has hardly ever trusted him, so it's debatable to say Poch has full confidence in him and IMO KWP is too weak defensively. Foyth is basically a novice RB that we seem to be shoe horning him into it, and Aurier is always injured and Poch clearly doesn't rate him that highly, as we are open to offers to sell him too. Verts is 33 and on his last legs really. He can't keep it up for too much longer.

I can't see how we can completely change our defence in one window. How on earth are we supposed to line up?

We could potentially be going into the new season with the below as our backline.

Davies / Ryan Sessegnon (who we haven't even signed yet, and if we do, he isn't a LB!)
Verts
Sanchez
Foyth / KWP / Aurier


It's extremely concerning.
 

rossdapep

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Going to be another brutal season at RB then. Foyth to RB is an embarrassing failure by the club. He’s not a RB by any stretch. We still wont loan or sell KWP even though Poch clearly doesnt trust him enough to actually give an opportunity to the point that he’s cut a makeshift’s holiday so short. We want Aurier gone but are struggling to shift him. Awful situation we’ve gotten ourselves into. With this and a Toby departure, we’ll be left maddeningly short in the back 4. Leaving us short is Levy’s specialty though so you kind of expect it
I saw him against Chile at RB and he had an excellent game. I was at the game and paid special attention to what he was doing so I'm going to leave a few notes on why he WILL be a good RB.

- Positionally was superb and did not get caught out like Tripper does.
- Read the game very well and on a couple of occasions he read a dangerous through ball to intercept it. He actually moved central as soon as he realised a pass was being made through the inside - this is critical as a FB.
- After starting nervously with the ball he became very composed and was very assured in his passing - looking for one-twos down the flank
- Strong - didn't get bullied off the ball and was aggressive in his tackling
- Supported the attack, as he's technically very good he's able to show a bit more agility on the ball - he sent a Chilean player the wrong way with a dummy. He's not rapid but he makes up for that with his ability on the ball (much better than Trips).

I believe he has a lot of ability to play this position more often, although I'd like him to move inside eventually. I think most people don't see him as a marauding FB, which is what we have been expecting, however I think he has a lot of other skillsets that make him a good option.

We've been told not to expect to improve every position this summer with transfers as we clearly can't spend 200m+, so we have to improvise and I think we won't regret it with Foyth.
 

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Jesus we signed no one last season, we all thought the worse.... but we got 4 top and to the CL final....
In Poch we trust.... 3 weeks for the readjusting to the squad to finish. Relax.
 

rossdapep

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The problem I have, is Trippier going in isolation is fine. But when you put that together with the fact that Rose is also going, and Toby is a 25 million quid bid away from leaving, all of a sudden we are looking not only light at the back, but weak and inexperienced.

For all of the talk about KWP, Poch has hardly ever trusted him, so it's debatable to say Poch has full confidence in him and IMO KWP is too weak defensively. Foyth is basically a novice RB that we seem to be shoe horning him into it, and Aurier is always injured and Poch clearly doesn't rate him that highly, as we are open to offers to sell him too. Verts is 33 and on his last legs really. He can't keep it up for too much longer.

I can't see how we can completely change our defence in one window. How on earth are we supposed to line up?

We could potentially be going into the new season with the below as our backline.

Davies / Ryan Sessegnon (who we haven't even signed yet, and if we do, he isn't a LB!)
Verts
Sanchez

Foyth / KWP / Aurier


It's extremely concerning.
Verts isn't on his last legs as his reading of the game and technical ability make up for that, 1-2 more seasons out of him at peak I think.

Davies is a dependable player, not spectacular but he rarely lets us down.
Sanchez has way more experience than some think plus he was excellent in his first season as a regular.
Aurier, sure he's been injured a lot but I still think we haven't seen the best from him.
 

yankspurs

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Foyth to RB an embarrassing failure by the club ...

Even though Pochettino, the manager and most important person at the club, wants him there. What the fuck does that have to do with Levy?

Fucking love all these people who believe they know better than Pochettino though. It makes it very easy to identify those who you can very easily ignore and not miss anything particularly insightful or interesting.
Foyth is decidedly not a RB and he’s obviously been moved there out of necessity. If you cant see that, you’re willfully blind.
 

rossdapep

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I saw him against Chile at RB and he had an excellent game. I was at the game and paid special attention to what he was doing so I'm going to leave a few notes on why he WILL be a good RB.

- Positionally was superb and did not get caught out like Tripper does.
- Read the game very well and on a couple of occasions he read a dangerous through ball to intercept it. He actually moved central as soon as he realised a pass was being made through the inside - this is critical as a FB.
- After starting nervously with the ball he became very composed and was very assured in his passing - looking for one-twos down the flank
- Strong - didn't get bullied off the ball and was aggressive in his tackling
- Supported the attack, as he's technically very good he's able to show a bit more agility on the ball - he sent a Chilean player the wrong way with a dummy. He's not rapid but he makes up for that with his ability on the ball (much better than Trips).

I believe he has a lot of ability to play this position more often, although I'd like him to move inside eventually. I think most people don't see him as a marauding FB, which is what we have been expecting, however I think he has a lot of other skillsets that make him a good option.

We've been told not to expect to improve every position this summer with transfers as we clearly can't spend 200m+, so we have to improvise and I think we won't regret it with Foyth.
.......forgot to add.

Foyth spent the ceremony afterwards talking to an Argentine coach and official, add in the fact he uses Wyscout to analyse his opponents will put him in a great frame of mind when coming up against opponents.

Also, Foyth played RB against City away and was very solid!
 

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Jesus we signed no one last season, we all thought the worse.... but we got 4 top and to the CL final....
In Poch we trust.... 3 weeks for the readjusting to the squad to finish. Relax.

All very well but it was no smooth ride and was touch and go. So excuse me if some of us have concerns on the strength and cover in our defence. How many games did we lose? We should be strengthening our squad before we let our so called weaknesses go. It appears we let other clubs do this.
 

Primativ

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Verts isn't on his last legs as his reading of the game and technical ability make up for that, 1-2 more seasons out of him at peak I think.

Davies is a dependable player, not spectacular but he rarely lets us down.
Sanchez has way more experience than some think plus he was excellent in his first season as a regular.
Aurier, sure he's been injured a lot but I still think we haven't seen the best from him.


Ok let's try it another way.

Davies, never really been good enough for a title winning side, solid but we need to improve that position. He just isn't good enough going forwards.
Sanchez, fine but question mark is still over him on how good / consistent he will be for us and he's a step down from Toby right at this moment.
Aurier, erractic to put it mildly, injury prone, Poch doesn't rate him that highly.

There are a lot of question marks over our defence, question marks a side aiming for the title shouldn't be facing three weeks before the start of the season in my humble opinion.
 

14/04/91

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The problem I have, is Trippier going in isolation is fine. But when you put that together with the fact that Rose is also going, and Toby is a 25 million quid bid away from leaving, all of a sudden we are looking not only light at the back, but weak and inexperienced.

For all of the talk about KWP, Poch has hardly ever trusted him, so it's debatable to say Poch has full confidence in him and IMO KWP is too weak defensively. Foyth is basically a novice RB that we seem to be shoe horning him into it, and Aurier is always injured and Poch clearly doesn't rate him that highly, as we are open to offers to sell him too. Verts is 33 and on his last legs really. He can't keep it up for too much longer.

I can't see how we can completely change our defence in one window. How on earth are we supposed to line up?

We could potentially be going into the new season with the below as our backline.

Davies / Ryan Sessegnon (who we haven't even signed yet, and if we do, he isn't a LB!)
Verts
Sanchez
Foyth / KWP / Aurier


It's extremely concerning.

It’s extremely unlikely that we would sell 3 defenders and not replace any of them. It won’t happen. And I don’t include Sessegnon as a replacement, as you say he’s not a left back.
 

Primativ

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All very well but it was no smooth ride and was touch and go. So excuse me if some of us have concerns on the strength and cover in our defence. How many games did we lose? We should be strengthening our squad before we let our so called weaknesses go. It appears we let other clubs do this.


Exactly, I find posts like that so weird. Did the guy not see how rubbish we were for 90% of the season? We scraped 4th by virtue of Arsenal and United imploding / being utter shit. We weren't much better. Finishing top 4 and the CL final glossed over what was a team in decline, and the stats back it up completely.

I don't see how weakening our back 4 and gambling on kids in full back positions is progress.
 

glospur

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Foyth is decidedly not a RB and he’s obviously been moved there out of necessity. If you cant see that, you’re willfully blind.
Yep. And Argentina played him at RB because of Daniel Levy too, right?

You know literally nothing, and yet you're calling me blind haha.
 
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