Ex-Player Watch Player Watch: Kyle Walker

[Col_M]

Both of whom had no european football and just played once a week for large parts of the season.

So why don't we just qualify 8th and start planning for 2019?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

why are you fine with it? Surely we won't buy anyone better than him so we will be weaker in a very important area of the pitch. Tripps isn't as good as Walker. Sell players that won't weaken our first x11

We have done this to death. Just saying Walker is best is not true. That is an over simplistic way of stating it. Trippier is definitely, quantifiably better moving forwards and in forward areas. Walker is almost certainly better defensively, but then it's not because he's more intelligent it's just because he has a slight athletic (pace and physique) advantage over Trippier. Pochettino actively selected Trippier over Walker toward the end of the season, we lost one game (West Ham, the game Walker started instead) in our last ten or something ? In the last week, Trippier looked better against a decent France than Walker looked against the shower of shit that is Scotland. So where is the evidence that Walker is simply better for our team ?

I believe with the team we have, the way we play, Trippier is the better option of the two and KWP has the potential to better than both of them, so on two fronts I see the benefit of selling Walker. Plus we get 40-50m.

Sorry am i getting this.....are you saying you would be confident of mounting a title challenge and hopefully having a better CL campaign with Trippier and KWP as our only RB's ?

I wouldn't necessarily think we'd be mounting another title challenge if we kept Walker. What I am saying is, I don't think we will be worse off without Walker and we could actually be better off with a RB that actually produces more frequent quality in the final third.Tripper managed to produce what Walker did in about 25% of the game time.

Either way, with players like Trippier and KWP we Walker going won't have a radical detrimental effect.

well if leicester can win the league with simpson at rb and chelsea can win it with moses then why not?

How can anyone "optimistic" rate this, it actually happened.

 

[EastLondonYid]

We have done this to death. Just saying Walker is best is not true. That is an over simplistic way of stating it. Trippier is definitely, quantifiably better moving forwards and in forward areas. Walker is almost certainly better defensively, but then it's not because he's more intelligent it's just because he has a slight athletic (pace and physique) advantage over Trippier. Pochettino actively selected Trippier over Walker toward the end of the season, we lost one game (West Ham, the game Walker started instead) in our last ten or something ? In the last week, Trippier looked better against a decent France than Walker looked against the shower of shit that is Scotland. So where is the evidence that Walker is simply better for our team ?

I believe with the team we have, the way we play, Trippier is the better option of the two and KWP has the potential to better than both of them, so on two fronts I see the benefit of selling Walker. Plus we get 40-50m.




I wouldn't necessarily think we'd be mounting another title challenge if we kept Walker. What I am saying is, I don't think we will be worse off without Walker and we could actually be better off with a RB that actually produces more frequent quality in the final third.Tripper managed to produce what Walker did in about 25% of the game time.

Either way, with players like Trippier and KWP we Walker going won't have a radical detrimental effect.



How can anyone "optimistic" rate this, it actually happened.

My whole point is we need 2 ESTABLISHED RB's ready to be called upon with so many games this season and KWP is nowhere near ready , if Walker was sold and we were left with just Trippier and KWP it would e madness, what if Trippire got injured.

As if we wouldn't be worse off losing Walker...absolute bollox, we need Trippier and Walker or at least a replacement for Walker...KWP is not ready hence my optimistic rating

 

[millsey]

We have done this to death. Just saying Walker is best is not true. That is an over simplistic way of stating it. Trippier is definitely, quantifiably better moving forwards and in forward areas. Walker is almost certainly better defensively, but then it's not because he's more intelligent it's just because he has a slight athletic (pace and physique) advantage over Trippier. Pochettino actively selected Trippier over Walker toward the end of the season, we lost one game (West Ham, the game Walker started instead) in our last ten or something ? In the last week, Trippier looked better against a decent France than Walker looked against the shower of shit that is Scotland. So where is the evidence that Walker is simply better for our team ?

I believe with the team we have, the way we play, Trippier is the better option of the two and KWP has the potential to better than both of them, so on two fronts I see the benefit of selling Walker. Plus we get 40-50m.




I wouldn't necessarily think we'd be mounting another title challenge if we kept Walker. What I am saying is, I don't think we will be worse off without Walker and we could actually be better off with a RB that actually produces more frequent quality in the final third.Tripper managed to produce what Walker did in about 25% of the game time.

Either way, with players like Trippier and KWP we Walker going won't have a radical detrimental effect.



How can anyone "optimistic" rate this, it actually happened.

They also won the league with Huth and Morgan. Do we not need someone of Toby's class or? Can cash in and put ccv there

 

[Bus-Conductor]

My whole point is we need 2 ESTABLISHED RB's ready to be called upon with so many games this season and KWP is nowhere near ready , if Walker was sold and we were left with just Trippier and KWP it would e madness, what if Trippire got injured.

As if we wouldn't be worse off losing Walker...absolute bollox, we need Trippier and Walker or at least a replacement for Walker...KWP is not ready hence my optimistic rating

You mean like when Adebayor was on mental strike and Soldado couldn't hit a barn door with banjo and we had to resort to Kane ?

For god sake, why is established automatically assumed to be best ? Sometimes, when the unestablished option just happens to be one of the best of his age group and has the right qualities, character and mentality, he can be better than the established option. He might make the odd mistake, but guess what, Walker makes them all the time. Like when it really mattered and we lost to West Ham. Trippier makes them. Most of the players we have make them.

If KWP wasn't so damn good you wouldn't get an argument from me, but he is, so I refuse to share your fear for our existence if he were to get his chance, I don't think he'd let us down at all, I don't think it would be any more catastrophic than Walker has been at times throughout his time with us.

 

[millsey]

You mean like when Adebayor was on mental strike and Soldado couldn't hit a barn door with banjo and we had to resort to Kane ?

For god sake, why is established automatically assumed to be best ? Sometimes, when the unestablished option just happens to be one of the best of his age group and has the right qualities, character and mentality, he can be better than the established option. He might make the odd mistake, but guess what, Walker makes them all the time. Like when it really mattered and we lost to West Ham. Trippier makes them. Most of the players we have make them.

If KWP wasn't so damn good you wouldn't get an argument from me, but he is, so I refuse to share your fear for our existence if he were to get his chance, I don't think he'd let us down at all, I don't think it would be any more catastrophic than Walker has been at times throughout his time with us.

How do you know he's so damn good? Ever seen him tested? I thought he has only played against kids so far

 

[Bus-Conductor]

They also won the league with Huth and Morgan. Do we not need someone of Toby's class or? Can cash in and put ccv there

No. And that is the difference. I'm not saying any kid is better than any established or purchased player. They are not. But KWP is exceptionally good. Already has some better attributes (technique, composure under pressure on the ball) than Walker and Trippier. He is also very competitive and tenacious. Strong mentality. And even then, I am not saying he should be starting first choice now, I am saying he should be back up and I would not panic if and when he's called on for minutes or even starts. Big difference. CCV on the other hand is not better than our current first team CB's in any way. And I do not see the same potential in him that I do KWP.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

How do you know he's so damn good? Ever seen him tested? I thought he has only played against kids so far

He's played against the second best team in the league every day. Should be reasonable preparation, no ?

 

[millsey]

He's played against the second best team in the league every day. Should be reasonable preparation, no ?

Ah right, so all the kids we have can play in our first team next year. Got ya

 

[EastLondonYid]

You mean like when Adebayor was on mental strike and Soldado couldn't hit a barn door with banjo and we had to resort to Kane ?

For god sake, why is established automatically assumed to be best ? Sometimes, when the unestablished option just happens to be one of the best of his age group and has the right qualities, character and mentality, he can be better than the established option. He might make the odd mistake, but guess what, Walker makes them all the time. Like when it really mattered and we lost to West Ham. Trippier makes them. Most of the players we have make them.

If KWP wasn't so damn good you wouldn't get an argument from me, but he is, so I refuse to share your fear for our existence if he were to get his chance, I don't think he'd let us down at all, I don't think it would be any more catastrophic than Walker has been at times throughout his time with us.

So you really are saying you would start this season with Trippier and KWP with the risk of Trippier getting injured and having KWP our RB .......with CL and Prem ... THAT could ruin the kid who may well have a great future


Wow your agenda with Walker has reached a new low

 

[Blake Griffin]

Ah right, so all the kids we have can play in our first team next year. Got ya

only a select few train with the first team on a daily basis so it wouldn't be all the kids and if they can't play for the first team then why are they there? winks was in the same position last year and he's done just fine so why assume disaster with kwp? fact is no one knows how he'll do until you put him in and see.

 

[EastLondonYid]

only a select few train with the first team on a daily basis so it wouldn't be all the kids and if they can't play for the first team then why are they there? winks was in the same position last year and he's done just fine so why assume disaster with kwp? fact is no one knows how he'll do until you put him in and see.

No one is saying KWP isnt deserving of a chance.. What we are trying to explain...he shouldn't be put in a position where he is our main Rb. If trippier was out. Whats to understand??

 

[Blake Griffin]

No one is saying KWP isnt deserving of a chance.. What we are trying to explain...he shouldn't be put in a position where he is our main Rb. If trippier was out. Whats to understand??

in the same way that winks shouldn't be put in a position of being our main cm with dembele out you mean?

 

[EastLondonYid]

in the same way that winks shouldn't be put in a position of being our main cm with dembele out you mean?

Are you having me on fella...we have so many options in Cm. Your going to have to do better then that.
Shocking comparison

Im off for a few bevvies. This is going nowhere
I can explain it to you,but i cant understand it for you mate.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Are you having me on fella...we have so many options in Cm. Your going to have to do better then that.
Shocking comparison

Im off for a few bevvies. This is going nowhere
I can explain it to you,but i cant understand it for you mate.

did winks go from being a kid who had never played a first team game anywhere to being our main backup to dembele and one of the first players we call upon outside of the starting 11 in a matter of months or not? i don't really see who all these other options at cm are either but enjoy your drinks

 

[spurs9]

He's played against the second best team in the league every day. Should be reasonable preparation, no ?

Yeah and the the coach that made us the 2nd best in the league has apparently deemed him not ready yet based on how he has done in training.

 

[Disconosebleed]

Walker is almost certainly better defensively, but then it's not because he's more intelligent it's just because he has a slight athletic (pace and physique) advantage over Trippier.

I'm not sure what your point is here. You can't just dismiss the fact that Walker is better defensively because his strongest traits are physical. If anything it's a plus point - you can train Walker to be a more intelligent defender, you can't train Trippier to be half a foot taller.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm not sure what your point is here. You can't just dismiss the fact that Walker is better defensively because his strongest traits are physical. If anything it's a plus point - you can train Walker to be a more intelligent defender, you can't train Trippier to be half a foot taller.

I'm not dismissing it, I'm weighing it up and saying I don't think overall, when the strengths and weaknesses of both players are assessed that we are worse off with Trippier most days.

I think it's easier to train a clever player to compensate for physical deficiencies that it is to train a stupid one to compensate for mental deficiencies.

Lahm isn't as quick or strong as Walker, I know who I'd rather have.

 

[jurgen]

So Citeh in for Alves now.. does that mean we're keeping our Kyle?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Yeah and the the coach that made us the 2nd best in the league has apparently deemed him not ready yet based on how he has done in training.

Deemed him ready to be part of the first team squad though, and you would hope that's because he believes he's not going to be a disaster if he has to play.

Either way I stand by my point, he's been playing against the best attack in the league for a year, you would hope that would have helped prepare him wouldn't you?