Player Watch Player Watch - Lucas Moura

markdadude

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absolutely agree he should have played a part tonight. To be frank, I am starting to get concerned that we have been treated to so little of him so far by Poch. Not just tonight. What is Poch's rational on holding him back for this long? It can't be a question of fitness because coming on as a 2nd half sub fitness should not come into it - unless you really are a mess. We've seen he's quick and shifty. I don't rate Poch at substitutions at all and I hope that explains it. I don't want to believe the alternative that he's gone off this very exciting player.
 

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He probably should have got on at the end last night, particularly with how deep Juve were but, Lamela was always going to be the first change.
 

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Also he came from PSG and although they’re generally flopping in the CL he does have big game experience which we needed...
 

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We press as a team. Lucas in his brief spells on as a sub has looked a bit lost without the ball and you can see he is still getting used to where to be and when to press.

It takes a while to learn and we will see alot more of him when we do.

With the ball the guy is brilliant though so i would have gave him 15 mins while chasing the game
 

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Ok, I voiced my concerns over his absence versus Juventus. I was told 'he's only been here a month' type stuff but again today, Poch did not put trust him. Is anyone not even considering now that maybe Poch just doesn't like something about him? I want to see him play. Its too long now.
 

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He’ll start v Swansea

give it some time of course he doesn’t have as much trust as he does in Lamela and the other two subs were defensive minded as we needed to see out the game
 

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Ok, I voiced my concerns over his absence versus Juventus. I was told 'he's only been here a month' type stuff but again today, Poch did not put trust him. Is anyone not even considering now that maybe Poch just doesn't like something about him? I want to see him play. Its too long now.
I would think it is more of a case of he doesn't think he has to rush him into the side. Had Kane not gone down injured along with Dele and Rose he probably would have come on towards the end. Right now Lucas is an option, not a requirement. Getting him comfortable minutes and learning our system for next season is his main goal.
 

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He’ll start v Swansea

give it some time of course he doesn’t have as much trust as he does in Lamela and the other two subs were defensive minded as we needed to see out the game
Funny cos that's exactly what should have been the case the other day when we went 1-0 up against Juventus, or even when we went 1-1 against Juve... Hmm. Seems like the sub choices aren't making sense.
 

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Ok, I voiced my concerns over his absence versus Juventus. I was told 'he's only been here a month' type stuff but again today, Poch did not put trust him. Is anyone not even considering now that maybe Poch just doesn't like something about him? I want to see him play. Its too long now.
Too long? He played a week ago v Huddersfield
 

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If he doesn't play and we win the FA Cup and finish in the top 4 I won't be bothered. Its a squad game and there is no room for sentiment
 

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Ok, I voiced my concerns over his absence versus Juventus. I was told 'he's only been here a month' type stuff but again today, Poch did not put trust him. Is anyone not even considering now that maybe Poch just doesn't like something about him? I want to see him play. Its too long now.
Lamela has battled back from a year long injury, spent months patiently getting himself 100% match fit, then spent another couple of months on the bench waiting for his chance, and throughout has maintained the attitude Poch yearns for in his players, one where the team is king. And when called upon Lamela has influenced games and given everything on the pitch. To move Moura ahead of him in the pecking order is just not how Poch works and would go against the club ethos he has built. The same measure is used for everyone, and the likes of Wanyama, Winks, Rose and Alderweireld have also realised that if you lose your place through injury you have to work twice as hard to win your place back on merit. And merit with Poch is mainly measured away from the 90 minutes on a Saturday, but the other 6.9 days of the week. Once Moura gets his chance, if he executes how Poch wants then his quality will see him keep his place. In the meantime the likes of Dele, Eriksen, Son and Lamela have all upped their work rates as they know their places are under threat. It's called competitiveness and competition for places. Once big money signings automatically start then you either need a bottomless pit of money (to ensure an endless supply of stars) or you'll end up a weaker team.
 

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I agree with previous posts, as long as we win something and finish top 4...

That said...

There is something to be said for keeping a player hungry... Make him work for his appearances.
 

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I recall reading a snippet from Poch the other day basically saying that it's not only about what Moura does with the ball, but learning how to be effective without it.

Possible reason for cameo appearances. I'll trust Poch on this one.
 

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Ok, I voiced my concerns over his absence versus Juventus. I was told 'he's only been here a month' type stuff but again today, Poch did not put trust him. Is anyone not even considering now that maybe Poch just doesn't like something about him? I want to see him play. Its too long now.
I suggest you read poch’s book or listen to his interviews.

He is very clear that he signs players to train. He believes integration takes time both on and off the pitch.

We can discuss whether this is the right approach but to turn it into the manager not liking people is incorrect.
 

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Ok, I voiced my concerns over his absence versus Juventus. I was told 'he's only been here a month' type stuff but again today, Poch did not put trust him. Is anyone not even considering now that maybe Poch just doesn't like something about him? I want to see him play. Its too long now.
Silly timing.

Yesterday, Lamela was the right choice to come in for Kane. After that, it was never appropriate to bring Lucas on. After Son scored the 2nd, we were protecting a lead, and Dele is the better choice, so no early sub for Dele. Trippier comes in for Rose - can't argue that choice, and then Sissoko for Dele - again, more of a defensive move to protect the lead. If we had been chasing a goal late, I am sure Lucas would have made an appearance.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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Funny cos that's exactly what should have been the case the other day when we went 1-0 up against Juventus, or even when we went 1-1 against Juve... Hmm. Seems like the sub choices aren't making sense.
The Juventus goals were with half an hour left. You don’t make defensive subs to see the game out with half an hour left. You do it in the last ten minutes, as we did today. Even if you don’t agree with that philosophy, which is fair enough, you can’t say there isn’t logic behind Pochettino’s decisions.
 

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I'm not too worried. You don't sign to play, you sign to train, and I'm sure Poch told Lucas as much before he signed. He didn't start a single game for PSG this season, so he's lacking match fitness, and he'll need to earn his place, just like anyone else.
 
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