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Because some people like be offended in order to justify an extreme opinion?
Because some people like be offended in order to justify an extreme opinion?
im sure he doesn't agree with all that at all - but he is endorsing the man who has said those things and who would pose a serious danger to a lot of innocent Brazilian's rights were he elected. Just saying hes a 'different' candidate doesnt excuse it - Lucas could vouch for justice/policing changes, fighting corruption, and renewing democracy independantly - but he has chosen to endorse someone who wants to rip the civil rights of millions of people awayHow many when voting for a political party or leader do so because they agree wholeheartedly with every single view of the leader or the party? I'd wager it's a pretty small minority.
I'll preface this by saying that while I'm not a fan of Lucas being a fascist sympathizer, I accept his right to hold a political view, no matter how misguided I think said view is.I doubt very much that the guy who was tweet quoted earlier knows much about Brazilian politics, given that all he's done is screenshot the guys wikipedia. And Wikipedia isn't exactly the must trustworthy of sources. Lucas also hasn't said he backs all of this guy's policies.
The extent to which people want to polarise political opinions is ridiculous right now. It's harmful and dangerous. The new left position themselves as liberal and open minded yet as soon as someone says anything that flies even a little in the face of what they believe they want to shut down all discussion. Free speech as long as you say what we say.It's really unhealthy, and dangerous.
im sure he doesn't agree with all that at all - but he is endorsing the man who has said those things and who would pose a serious danger to a lot of innocent Brazilian's rights were he elected. Just saying hes a 'different' candidate doesnt excuse it - Lucas could vouch for justice/policing changes, fighting corruption, and renewing democracy independantly - but he has chosen to endorse someone who wants to rip the civil rights of millions of people away
The correlation between those who are absolute in their belief of free market capitalism and those who don't understand this point whatsoever always astounds me.Freedom of speech is freedom from the state not freedom to just say anything with no repercussions at all. If a company feels your speech negatively impacts them they aren’t compelled to continue paying you money, otherwise their freedom would be compromised, there will be something in the contract.
I mean it’s literally the most liberal thing possible to oppose the promotion of fascism...
If he’d said Lucas should be arrested then you’d have a point, but otherwise I think you lack an understanding of what liberalism is.
Good luck finding someone or a party in Brazil that vouches for or applies these important factors. The fight against corruption is a lost cause, that's why they are desperate for dramatic change.im sure he doesn't agree with all that at all - but he is endorsing the man who has said those things and who would pose a serious danger to a lot of innocent Brazilian's rights were he elected. Just saying hes a 'different' candidate doesnt excuse it - Lucas could vouch for justice/policing changes, fighting corruption, and renewing democracy independantly - but he has chosen to endorse someone who wants to rip the civil rights of millions of people away
Because this is a nuanced, complex discussion, do you care to elaborate on why you disagree with that post above? Do you really think that free speech means everyone should be free from being criticised for said speech?Good luck finding someone or a party in Brazil that vouches for or applies these important factors. The fight against corruption is a lost cause, that's why they are desperate for dramatic change.
If I had a choice of Hitler or Lenin I would choose Lenin as the lesser of two evils.
This would not make me a communist.
I’m a dirty commie because I’m a dirty commie not because of my comments.In early 1950s America that comment would have got you put straight on McCarthy's list.
Because you're evidently a "dirty commie".
(I don't have any knowledge of Brazilian politics so am not going to join the discussion, but have decided that since you're making sensible comments it's better to persecute you instead. That's how this political lark works isn't it?)
I’m a dirty commie because I’m a dirty commie not because of my comments.
his views aren't just 'different' though - he's endorsing someone who believes women shouldnt get equal pay, brazilian descendants of slaves "arent fit for breeding", publicly supported a brazilian neo-nazi called Marco Antonio, called refugees "scum of the earth", repeatedly commends the Brazilian military dictatorship and its use of torture, said he would rather his son die than be gay, said gay parents use their kids as sex slaves, and in the 80s planned to bomb a crucial water pipeline in Rio to starve the people out of bringing on democratic reforms. Lucas endorsing this guy to hundreds of thousands of followers isn't just a regular difference in opinion, its endorsing an authoritarian and bigoted would-be terrorist for office - that's not something we should just ok because hes a good player imo
I mean it’s literally the most liberal thing possible to oppose the promotion of fascism...
If he’d said Lucas should be arrested then you’d have a point, but otherwise I think you lack an understanding of what liberalism is.
Bloody hell, with all this uninformed opinion being spouted, I thought I was back in the transfer rumour form and it was 8 August.
That isn’t what liberal means. The most liberal thing to do is to be open to new ideas, think people should be free to express themselves and to be open for your opinion being changed.
There’s absolutely nothing liberal about demonising Moura that’s for sure
Yes, if a player has a one or a few specific views that I find abhorrent and is using his platform to promote them. If a player is openly pro-fascist, sexist, homophobe, racist and/or thinks the Star Wars prequels are good movies I want them gone.So you now actively want the club to sell a player because of his political views?
If so, that deffo sounds completely fair and liberal.
Sure, I'm not disagreeing with what you necessarily say about free speech more with the verdict that Lucas is a fascist sympathiser. He's not and I wish people would take the time to actually consider what he is actually saying (lots of people seem to understand Brazilian Portuguese all of a sudden) - he simply wants a safer and less crime-ridden country and knows that the options available are severely limited.Because this is a nuanced, complex discussion, do you care to elaborate on why you disagree with that post above? Do you really think that free speech means everyone should be free from being criticised for said speech?
People need to have a bit of consideration for the ENTIRE picture before judging him and claiming that he is racist, sexist and homophobic.