Player Watch Player Watch: Serge Aurier

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If Trippier had started the season on fire do you think we'd have bought Serge? Because at that point Poch would have had a top starter, KWP and Dier.....my sense is that Trippiers slow start may have contributed.
There was a report (maybe on here) that Pocchy was less than impressed by trippiers effort and application in training on his return. This accelerated the need for Aurier and Pocchy felt that the lack of competition caused Trippier to drop his efforts as he thought he would be the first choice starter and didn't have to put the work in.
 

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Think there are different elements at play with regard to Trips and Aurier. First, I think Sanchez has given the whole back line much more solidity, flexibility and pace, which in turn, has meant that our wing backs have more defensive cover.

That has definitely benefitted Trippier in particular, who has been able to exploit his attacking qualities, his link up play going forward and obviously his crossing ability. He’s been outstanding!

Think the Liverpool game favoured us in the fact that Mane wasn’t playing, and we got an early lead. Aurier did a good job in the main covering as LWB against Salah. Trippier had less to deal with defensively on his flank.

Early days for Aurier, and it’s a tough ask to assume a WB position in the PL seamlessly, especially with the way we play. I like the fact that he was severely tested in the Palace game, somehow came through it, and Poch didn’t take him out of the game, although he would have had some justification for doing just that.

I actually think we’re going to see plenty of Trips, Aurier and quite a bit of KWP this season. It’s early November and we’re already seeing the physical strains on the squad. The grueling, intensive schedule and that Wembley pitch will take its toll.
 

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Think there are different elements at play with regard to Trips and Aurier. First, I think Sanchez has given the whole back line much more solidity, flexibility and pace, which in turn, has meant that our wing backs have more defensive cover.

That has definitely benefitted Trippier in particular, who has been able to exploit his attacking qualities, his link up play going forward and obviously his crossing ability. He’s been outstanding!

Think the Liverpool game favoured us in the fact that Mane wasn’t playing, and we got an early lead. Aurier did a good job in the main covering as LWB against Salah. Trippier had less to deal with defensively on his flank.

Early days for Aurier, and it’s a tough ask to assume a WB position in the PL seamlessly, especially with the way we play. I like the fact that he was severely tested in the Palace game, somehow came through it, and Poch didn’t take him out of the game, although he would have had some justification for doing just that.

I actually think we’re going to see plenty of Trips, Aurier and quite a bit of KWP this season. It’s early November and we’re already seeing the physical strains on the squad. The grueling, intensive schedule and that Wembley pitch will take its toll.
I wouldn't say that Aurier came through the Palace game, I sincerely hope Poch sat down with him afterwards...he was abysmal.
 

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Came through it, meaning his mistakes weren't punished. Gazza in goal did the same, although he had opportunities to redeem himself. There was plenty in Aurier's performance that gave me cause for concern.

It was there for all to see. Poor positioning, some really dangerous distribution, and still going to ground when he makes tackles. Also, wasn't using his pace in attacking situations to take on his man on his flank when the opportunity was there, unlike Rose on the opposite flank.

Still, early days and we've seen it with other players who've come through for us in the end.
 
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Mouthing off he could have gone to Barca in summer(which they’ve rubbished) But they were put off by his bad boy image.I hate to say that I fear it’s gonna end in tears.Will just take one trigger for it all to kick off imo.The more trippier plays more frustrated he will get ,till he eventually dies something rash.If you’re a hot head you’re a hot head.He is a volatile character,you can just see it from the way he plays.I can’t see him changing anytime soon.
 
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To everyone saying he only left PSG because of off the field stuff, this is not the whole story.

The reason some of the off field stuff happened was because Aurier wasn’t an automatic first choice and this gave him the hump and caused him to bitch and whine and generally be a pain in the arse.

And the reason he wasn’t automatic first choice was because of the flaws we are now seeing.

This was my initial objection and I said as much. I've seen loads of Aurier, I think he's got some good qualities, but we all know that KWP is very good and very highly rated, what I questioned was why pay 25m for a player with known flaws (inc some character flaws) that will require a year or two of Poch to improve, when we already had a very highly rated kid here who within that time and work form Poch could end being even better and we'd be 24m better off instantly, then add the 25-50m that KWP could be worth if he turns out to be better than Aurier.

Go back and read what I said. I liked Aurier, but it seemed some to me were lauding this signing without ever really having watched him play a full proper game or two. He has always been flawed, and on top of the same kind of flaws Walker had until Poch got hold of him, he's also coming in from a different country and league and playing ACN every two years.

We had a highly rated player here who has been training with Poch for a year or two already, who's ceiling is potentially higher than Aurier's, is from this neighbourhood, isn't going to need time to learn a language, fit into a culture, isn't going to start blabbing off about using us to get a bigger move within five minutes of arriving.
While I agree with the sentiment of your post, I’d suggest that Aurier, at a good age, low price in today’s terms and high pedigree, was seen as a low risk signing to fill the Walker gap. In 2 years he will be 26, Trippier will be 29 and KWP may well be ready. At that point, we have the ability to push KWP in, ship out the more viable sale of the other two and not have lacked top level experience at any point.

As for the ACN, that’s irrelevant, it’s in the summer from now on.
 

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While I agree with the sentiment of your post, I’d suggest that Aurier, at a good age, low price in today’s terms and high pedigree, was seen as a low risk signing to fill the Walker gap. In 2 years he will be 26, Trippier will be 29 and KWP may well be ready. At that point, we have the ability to push KWP in, ship out the more viable sale of the other two and not have lacked top level experience at any point.

As for the ACN, that’s irrelevant, it’s in the summer from now on.

Kwp needs regular games in the next 2 years or he will not reach his potential.
I know it’s early days for aurier but I not been impressed thus far, kwp can consider himself very unlucky not to be getting more starts imo
 
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Kwp need regular games in the next 2 years or he will not reach his potential.
I know it’s early days for aurier but I not been impressed thus far, kwp can consider himself very unlucky not to be gearing more starts imo
Why unlucky? Surely if he's showing enough in training/attitude, he'll earn some starts.
 

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Why unlucky? Surely if he's showing enough in training/attitude, he'll earn some starts.

With 2 international players in his position in front of him?
None of us know what goes on in training, so I can’t comment on that but in the one league start kwp was motm and aurier seems to be our weakest player in a lot of the games he’s played imo
 

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With 2 international players in his position in front of him?
None of us know what goes on in training, so I can’t comment on that but in the one league start kwp was motm and aurier seems to be our weakest player in a lot of the games he’s played imo
Every player has internationals in their position in front of them. Young players still make it. Cream rises to the top. Believe Poch is picking players over him unfairly if you like but as he and the coaches see them train every day, I'll go with their decision personally.
 

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Why unlucky? Surely if he's showing enough in training/attitude, he'll earn some starts.
Such a hackneyed cliche this. What could he possibly do in training that would jump him ahead of two experienced, international pros.

If Sterling scores more goals in training than Kane, would he take Kane’s place in the first team?

It’s not about being better in training, why should he be, it’s about in two years time, if he’s given game time, would he be better then. Because that’s what has made Aurier and Trippier more viable now.

KWP is quicker than Trippier already, cleverer than Aurier already, his technique is as good as both already, what’s inferior is his lack of miles on the clock that establish he can consistently apply those aspects to real match scenarios.
 

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Such a hackneyed cliche this. What could he possibly do in training that would jump him ahead of two experienced, international pros.

If Sterling scores more goals in training than Kane, would he take Kane’s place in the first team?

It’s not about being better in training, why should he be, it’s about in two years time, if he’s given game time, would he be better then. Because that’s what has made Aurier and Trippier more viable now.

KWP is quicker than Trippier already, cleverer than Aurier already, his technique is as good as both already, what’s inferior is his lack of miles on the clock that establish he can consistently apply those aspects to real match scenarios.
As good as Trippier's in terms of crossing?
 

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Every player has internationals in their position in front of them. Young players still make it. Cream rises to the top. Believe Poch is picking players over him unfairly if you like but as he and the coaches see them train every day, I'll go with their decision personally.

Not as often as it should.
Hard call to drop a 25m signing without giving him a proper go for a youngster
 

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While I agree with the sentiment of your post, I’d suggest that Aurier, at a good age, low price in today’s terms and high pedigree, was seen as a low risk signing to fill the Walker gap. In 2 years he will be 26, Trippier will be 29 and KWP may well be ready. At that point, we have the ability to push KWP in, ship out the more viable sale of the other two and not have lacked top level experience at any point.

As for the ACN, that’s irrelevant, it’s in the summer from now on.
Why an earth should KWP wait two years and IMO why should we have spent 24m and another 6-8m in wages when we could have had a better player in two years time?

To be honest, i don’t think it would take anything like two years. I think in 6 months KWP would have started to look like the real deal - or not - and we could have a decision in Jan or next summer.

It’s this, not even short term, but immediate term thinking that drives me nuts.

This constant willingness to gamble huge with clearly flawed signings but utter risk aversion with the most talented of development players.
 

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Such a hackneyed cliche this. What could he possibly do in training that would jump him ahead of two experienced, international pros.

If Sterling scores more goals in training than Kane, would he take Kane’s place in the first team?

It’s not about being better in training, why should he be, it’s about in two years time, if he’s given game time, would he be better then. Because that’s what has made Aurier and Trippier more viable now.

KWP is quicker than Trippier already, cleverer than Aurier already, his technique is as good as both already, what’s inferior is his lack of miles on the clock that establish he can consistently apply those aspects to real match scenarios.
He's also significantly smaller and weaker than both.
 

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As good as Trippier's in terms of crossing?
No, I think Trippier is the best at that in this league, but he (KWP) is better at running at players with the ball.

But I didn’t want Trippier replaced, I would have liked to go forward with Trippier and KWP this year.

I don’t dislike Aurier, he can be much better than he’s shown so far on his good days, and i fully expect working with Poch should improve him, I just genuinely believe KWP is an exceptional talent, and we needn’t have spent that money and the end result could have better.

Full back is a really pivotal position for us and the way we play, and KWP was almost a play maker from there for his development sides. He’s quick, tenacious, diligent and comfortable on the ball in tight situations.
 

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No, I think Trippier is the best at that in this league, but he (KWP) is better at running at players with the ball.

But I didn’t want Trippier replaced, I would have liked to go forward with Trippier and KWP this year.

I don’t dislike Aurier, he can be much better than he’s shown so far on his good days, and i fully expect working with Poch should improve him, I just genuinely believe KWP is an exceptional talent, and we needn’t have spent that money and the end result could have better.

Full back is a really pivotal position for us and the way we play, and KWP was almost a play maker from there for his development sides. He’s quick, tenacious, diligent and comfortable on the ball in tight situations.
Then he's not technically as good as Trippier; and whilst I appreciate it's a bit of a catch 22 situation none of us have seen enough of KWP to make the judgements that you have.

As someone said above, physicality is something he most likely needs to improve on and this requires time and hard work in the gym. As you say, full back is pivotal for us and requires supreme fitness and strength. Whether KWP is an exceptional talent or not, we really did need to spend that money as we sold Walker and didn't replace him. It would have been a huge risk to just rely on Trippier (who because of his lack of pace, is limited in some respects), especially as he got injured.

I think it's either naïve or arrogant of you to believe that just because you've seen a few youth team games and the Newcastle game (in which he did very well), it automatically means we shouldn't have bought an experienced, physically ready full back to play while the coaching team gives KWP time to develop.
 
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No, I think Trippier is the best at that in this league, but he (KWP) is better at running at players with the ball.

But I didn’t want Trippier replaced, I would have liked to go forward with Trippier and KWP this year.

I don’t dislike Aurier, he can be much better than he’s shown so far on his good days, and i fully expect working with Poch should improve him, I just genuinely believe KWP is an exceptional talent, and we needn’t have spent that money and the end result could have better.

Full back is a really pivotal position for us and the way we play, and KWP was almost a play maker from there for his development sides. He’s quick, tenacious, diligent and comfortable on the ball in tight situations.
If he's that exceptional he'll make it. I don't recall us letting any young player go that's gone on to be exceptional elsewhere. I'll trust our coaches over your viewing of some youth games thanks.
 
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