Player Watch: Serge Aurier

[Deleted member 22380]

Hopefully Spurs are smarter enough to release Aurier and promote Walker-Peters to be Trippier's backup.

 

[LeParisien]

i.e not a story

A story would be arrested and charged, he was released therefore you're speculating.

No, the simple act of being arrested is a story for someone in the spotlight.

Of course we should not presume his guilt. He’s been released without charge and so he should not be hit with any label.

However the evidentiary standard for your reputation as a professional footballer is far lower than the one used in the courts. It is not an ordinary thing to be arrested and released without charge. It is not crazy to suggest Serge has more drama in his life than is appropriate for a top level athlete. And he has history too. He desperately needs to sort himself out if he’s going to contribute at the top level for us.

 

[Akash]

Hopefully Spurs are smarter enough to release Aurier and promote Walker-Peters to be Trippier's backup.

Seems a risk if you ask me. As good as KWP has been when called upon, selling Aurier might blow up in our faces if we dont have another player to turn to when kwp is injured/out of form.

 

[ralvy]

Careful...Innocent until proven guilty.

Not in the age of social media and trial by outrage.

 

[Locotoro]

We don't have any evidence on this, so I won't judge him. I personally know 2 women who put their man or husband in the nick for night just because they could and to teach them a lesson for saying something that hurt them or they didn't like. Both occasions the woman was never touched. For the record on both occasions I was friends with the woman and they told me that's what they did.

It happens a lot more often than people realise. Absolutely nothing in this story for me

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Serge, by all accounts, needs to look at his lifestyle and assess his judgement. As a high profile sportsman, a low profile public life is surely a better path? None of us can judge him for the latest drama as only he and the ex know what happened. He was released Anyway. We all know where ex's and kids are involved, things are barely ever straight forward or harmonious. But still, the overall package with Serge appears that he is of of those characters that attracts attention and issues. Big personality.

He's a really approachable and friendly fella. But I do wish he'd dig into.that footballing potential more. Focus man, focus.

 

[Mackan110]

Because he got released without charge i have no problems. Also as I understood his girlfriend is a reality star and who know maybe they have a lot of drama in real life.

People say we should let him go now etc. He was released and Lloris went to court and got a sentence and he is still here

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Focus man, focus.

This seems to be his primary general flaw across the board.

 

[Paolo10]

This footballing potential you speak of, I don't really get it. Was hopeful he might eventually compete, but the NLD performance burst my bubble a bit.

We'll find out how much of a bargain he was if we ever try to sell him...not sure he and Moura were the sales of the century tbh. Although of the two, it's clear who I think brings more to the side.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

This footballing potential you speak of, I don't really get it. Was hopeful he might eventually compete, but the NLD performance burst my bubble a bit.

We'll find out how much of a bargain he was if we ever try to sell him...not sure he and Moura were the sales of the century tbh. Although of the two, it's clear who I think brings more to the side.

I get where you're coming from. But he has all the physical attributes to be a top player, although I think he lacks a yard of pace to really make a difference ala Walker. But, he has put in some.good performances, he's just not had a long spell of games linked together. Looked.decent before his most recent injury.

 

[Shadydan]

No, the simple act of being arrested is a story for someone in the spotlight.

Of course we should not presume his guilt. He’s been released without charge and so he should not be hit with any label.

However the evidentiary standard for your reputation as a professional footballer is far lower than the one used in the courts. It is not an ordinary thing to be arrested and released without charge. It is not crazy to suggest Serge has more drama in his life than is appropriate for a top level athlete. And he has history too. He desperately needs to sort himself out if he’s going to contribute at the top level for us.

Arrested without charge, let's get it right shall we, that to me means he's innocent so it's irrelevant bringing up his previous dramas as it has nothing to do with this current situation.

You just totally contradicted yourself when you say we should not presume his guilt then go on to say he needs to sort himself out, you either believe the story or you don't so which is it?

Unfortunately some people were waiting for this so they could stick the boot in, as I said it's a complete non story until we at least establish some facts first.

 

[Tucker]

I get where you're coming from. But he has all the physical attributes to be a top player, although I think he lacks a yard of pace to really make a difference ala Walker. But, he has put in some.good performances, he's just not had a long spell of games linked together. Looked.decent before his most recent injury.

The trouble is, when you add in th inevitable dramas that he gets involved in, he doesn’t sound a good fit for the team. He’s not done enough to convince me he’s any better than Trippier, and for what we paid for him he should have been a clear upgrade.

 

[pablo73]

Not saying he is guilty as no way of knowing obviously. However, if he did hit her and she refused to press charges then he would be released without charge. Not an uncommon thing to happen in those circumstances I would have thought. As others have said, if he did hit her than fuck him.

 

[SE Spurs]

Innocent or not, its awful fcking timing, with all the other great news around the club right now. Can't wait for the Fulham game, hopefully get a positive result, and change the doom and gloom everywhere.

 

[LeParisien]

Arrested without charge, let's get it right shall we, that to me means he's innocent so it's irrelevant bringing up his previous dramas as it has nothing to do with this current situation.

You just totally contradicted yourself when you say we should not presume his guilt then go on to say he needs to sort himself out, you either believe the story or you don't so which is it?

Unfortunately some people were waiting for this so they could stick the boot in, as I said it's a complete non story until we at least establish some facts first.

You invoked the legal standard. The legal system requires that you bring evidence to support your case, just as any search for the truth does. The legal system requires you meet a certain standard (eg beyond reasonable doubt) which is set high enough that we feel comfortable depriving someone of their liberty on that basis.

As our judgements will not deprive Aurier of his liberty, we can apply a lower standard.

Also my accusation is of Aurier living a life incompatible with that of an elite athlete. So I do not have to show that Aurier hit his partner “beyond a reasonable doubt”, only that he is likely to be living a life which distracts him from his core purpose. Which is becoming first choice right back.

I think finding yourself in a situation where you have been arrested is pretty compelling evidence he has too much drama in his life for an elite athlete.

(Nb that is a long way short of saying I think he hit his girlfriend).

 

[Shadydan]

You invoked the legal standard. The legal system requires that you bring evidence to support your case, just as any search for the truth does. The legal system requires you meet a certain standard (eg beyond reasonable doubt) which is set high enough that we feel comfortable depriving someone of their liberty on that basis.

As our judgements will not deprive Aurier of his liberty, we can apply a lower standard.

Also my accusation is of Aurier living a life incompatible with that of an elite athlete. So I do not have to show that Aurier hit his partner “beyond a reasonable doubt”, only that he is likely to be living a life which distracts him from his core purpose. Which is becoming first choice right back.

I think finding yourself in a situation where you have been arrested is pretty compelling evidence he has too much drama in his life for an elite athlete.

(Nb that is a long way short of saying I think he hit his girlfriend).

No it isn't - like I said innocent until proven guilty. In this case he was arrested and release without charge which could mean anything.

Can you respond without the need to write a load of bullshit this time please, thanks.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

You invoked the legal standard. The legal system requires that you bring evidence to support your case, just as any search for the truth does. The legal system requires you meet a certain standard (eg beyond reasonable doubt) which is set high enough that we feel comfortable depriving someone of their liberty on that basis.

As our judgements will not deprive Aurier of his liberty, we can apply a lower standard.

Also my accusation is of Aurier living a life incompatible with that of an elite athlete. So I do not have to show that Aurier hit his partner “beyond a reasonable doubt”, only that he is likely to be living a life which distracts him from his core purpose. Which is becoming first choice right back.

I think finding yourself in a situation where you have been arrested is pretty compelling evidence he has too much drama in his life for an elite athlete.

(Nb that is a long way short of saying I think he hit his girlfriend).

Probably a silly question but you're in France, correct?

The legal system is very different there to the UK. In how it operates in term and arrest etc.

 

[Paolo10]

Probably a silly question but you're in France, correct?

The legal system is very different there to the UK. In how it operates in term and arrest etc.

What does your gut say about this from your perspective, ABH over Common Assault etc.?

I'd really like him to improve, but I just can't see it at this point. It's his head, not his feet.

We'll actually it's his feet less so too, his touch is patchy at best.

 

[SlotBadger]

We don't have any evidence on this, so I won't judge him. I personally know 2 women who put their man or husband in the nick for night just because they could and to teach them a lesson for saying something that hurt them or they didn't like. Both occasions the woman was never touched. For the record on both occasions I was friends with the woman and they told me that's what they did.

A mate's girlfriend was once jealous of a woman he worked with, so called the police to say he'd attacked her and scratched her chest.

Police immediately carried out a DNA test to find her skin underneath her own fingernails.

Needless to say, he ditched her immediately, but she faced absolutely no charges for such bullshit. She did, however, apologise to him several years later when he bumped into her (not that it makes what she did acceptable).

Not really sure why I've shared this as it has no relevance to Aurier whatsoever.

Goodbye.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

What does your gut say about this from your perspective, ABH over Common Assault etc.?

I'd really like him to improve, but I just can't see it at this point. It's his head, not his feet.

We'll actually it's his feet less so too, his touch is patchy at best.

Mate. I really don't know. Don't have the information so unfair to comment. I dislike trial by social media with intensity. Only the police have the relevant information and they decided that there was no case to answer. Which is what we should all go with. Sure, no legal system is perfect. But one has to put some trust in the investigators.

He is a colourful character in what can be a grey world of personalities. I think he's the type that a little controversy will seek out. He could keep his head down in that respect a bit.more, but I don't think it's his style.

In terms of his playing ability, he frustrates me. His touch can be poor. Yet he is capable of some great tackles and has some forward ability. For me, it's game time. He just needs more of it. I really liked what I saw just before he got.injured last time. Certainly, I really like Trippier, but I think Serge is the better defender and more suited to a back 4.