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LeParisien

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No it isn't - like I said innocent until proven guilty. In this case he was arrested and release without charge which could mean anything.

Can you respond without the need to write a load of bullshit this time please, thanks.

Being arrested is drama.
If you are happy with our players being arrested and released without charge then that’s fine, I guess. I think it’s an unecessary distraction that a consummate pro will avoid.

Can you please reply without being rude next time? Highly strung much.

Probably a silly question but you're in France, correct?

The legal system is very different there to the UK. In how it operates in term and arrest etc.
Yes - I’m in Paris.

I don’t think that really affects my point though ?!
 

Paolo10

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From minutes played and games that he's appeared it, I am unsure that Poch trusts him. There were also rumours that he was one of a few available (Dembele, Janssen, GNK, Llorente, Vorm, Wanyama and Serge) for sale or loan if anyone was interested even before this craic.
 

Shadydan

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Being arrested is drama.
If you are happy with our players being arrested and released without charge then that’s fine, I guess. I think it’s an unecessary distraction that a consummate pro will avoid.

Can you please reply without being rude next time? Highly strung much.


Yes - I’m in Paris.

I don’t think that really affects my point though ?!

Wow, a straw man, didn't see that coming.

Waste of time debating with you seeing as you haven't even attempted to counter my points and your mind is obviously already made up about him.
 

LeParisien

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Wow, a straw man, didn't see that coming.

Waste of time debating with you seeing as you haven't even attempted to counter my points and your mind is obviously already made up about him.
I can’t tell if you’re trolling.. ?

Your point is that he is innocent until proven guilty which I took as being a reference to a legal standard - in this case for assault.

I countered by saying the legal standard is not relevant to public opinion. And that the real charge is not of assault but having unecessary, inappropriate distractions for an elite athlete.

If you do not want to debate then that is your prerogative but be honest and civil. We’re all spurs fans here. :)
 

Shadydan

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I can’t tell if you’re trolling.. ?

Your point is that he is innocent until proven guilty which I took as being a reference to a legal standard - in this case for assault.

I countered by saying the legal standard is not relevant to public opinion. And that the real charge is not of assault but having unecessary, inappropriate distractions for an elite athlete.

If you do not want to debate then that is your prerogative but be honest and civil. We’re all spurs fans here. :)

No I'm not trolling, you asked if I was happy to have our players being arrested - that's the very definition of a straw man.

I don't understand how fingers should be pointed if we don't know the full story, that's the actual point and it seems like your mind is made up. Until we establish the truth so whether this is having unnecessary inappropriate distractions is irrelevant if you or me don't know what has actually happened.

Sorry I get really wound up at people who point the finger at those who are being judged when facts haven't been concluded first.

Be interesting to know what your opinion of Lloris is seeing as he's been arrested and charged for a potentially fatal misdemeanor which has much bigger ramifications on what Aurier has been alleged to have been arrested for?
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Being arrested is drama.
If you are happy with our players being arrested and released without charge then that’s fine, I guess. I think it’s an unecessary distraction that a consummate pro will avoid.

Can you please reply without being rude next time? Highly strung much.


Yes - I’m in Paris.

I don’t think that really affects my point though ?!

Only in terms of the investigative processes. You don't need much actual evidence to arrest in the UK. Merely suspicion. Nuanced, but if your point of view is based on the French model there are probably differences in how much 'evidence' is required prior to arrest. Inwasnt digging you out. I find it interesting.
 

LeParisien

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No I'm not trolling, you asked if I was happy to have our players being arrested - that's the very definition of a straw man.

I don't understand how fingers should be pointed if we don't know the full story, that's the actual point and it seems like your mind is made up. Until we establish the truth so whether this is having unnecessary inappropriate distractions is irrelevant if you or me don't know what has actually happened.

Sorry I get really wound up at people who point the finger at those who are being judged when facts haven't been concluded first.

Be interesting to know what your opinion of Lloris is seeing as he's been arrested and charged for a potentially fatal misdemeanor which has much bigger ramifications on what Aurier has been alleged to have been arrested for?
Lloris’ behaviour was shocking and he was rightly widely condemned. There is no excuse for it.

As a general rule I agree that individuals and the media are too quick to accuse people of crimes. Those accusations stick and can cause great distress.
 

Locotoro

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Sep 2, 2004
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Lloris’ behaviour was shocking and he was rightly widely condemned. There is no excuse for it.

As a general rule I agree that individuals and the media are too quick to accuse people of crimes. Those accusations stick and can cause great distress.

The point shadydan is making is that you don't need much evidence at all relatively speaking for the police to arrest you based off another person's accusations.

In some situations, I've seen instances of an aggrieved ex girlfriend claim assault with little physical evidence other than her own words and the guy had been arrested and spent overnight in a police cell in the interests of the girls safety.

Let's not forget this is the same woman who decided to take all her clothes off on a reality TV show so her friend could see how perfect her boobs were.
 
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Shadydan

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A mate's girlfriend was once jealous of a woman he worked with, so called the police to say he'd attacked her and scratched her chest.

Police immediately carried out a DNA test to find her skin underneath her own fingernails.

Needless to say, he ditched her immediately, but she faced absolutely no charges for such bullshit. She did, however, apologise to him several years later when he bumped into her (not that it makes what she did acceptable).

Not really sure why I've shared this as it has no relevance to Aurier whatsoever.

Goodbye.

It's relevant because in situations like this the law will always take the women's side in the first instance regardless or not whether she is lying or telling the truth and just like many times there's been cases of domestic violence against women which have been proven true and and cases where women have been proven to be lying. Unfortunately the latter gets brushed under the carpet too much and women are allowed to get away with putting men through BS whilst they are the ones who are wrongly judged, it's not right.
 

LeParisien

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The point shadydan is making is that you don't need much evidence at all relatively speaking for the police to arrest you based off another person's accusations.

In some situations, I've seen instances of an aggrieved ex girlfriend claim assault with physical evidence other than her own words and the guy had been arrested and spent overnight in a police cell in the interests of the girls safety.

Let's not forget this is the same woman who decided to take all her clothes off on a reality TV show so her friend could see how perfect her boobs were.
I have not said that the arrest says anything about his culpability. I am not interested in his culpability.

I am interested in the fact his apparently poor choice of partner is affecting his ability to focus fully on becoming a top rightback. That is my criticism.
 

Monkey boy

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The point shadydan is making is that you don't need much evidence at all relatively speaking for the police to arrest you based off another person's accusations.

In some situations, I've seen instances of an aggrieved ex girlfriend claim assault with physical evidence other than her own words and the guy had been arrested and spent overnight in a police cell in the interests of the girls safety.

Let's not forget this is the same woman who decided to take all her clothes off on a reality TV show so her friend could see how perfect her boobs were.

In the interest of fairness do you have a link for that so that we can all judge for ourselves her claim?
 

Spurrific

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Jun 2, 2011
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I like Aurier and think he’s a more complete defender than Trippier but it seems he’s always injured or embroiled in some shit. When was his last run of actual games?

Rather sign Aarons and have him and KWP competing. Would love some actual pace at full back again, Trippier, and to an extent Aurier, would both get spun and outpaced by my gran and she can’t walk*

*because she’s dead
 

Johnny J

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Aug 18, 2012
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It's relevant because in situations like this the law will always take the women's side in the first instance regardless or not whether she is lying or telling the truth and just like many times there's been cases of domestic violence against women which have been proven true and and cases where women have been proven to be lying. Unfortunately the latter gets brushed under the carpet too much and women are allowed to get away with putting men through BS whilst they are the ones who are wrongly judged, it's not right.
How does "the law always take the woman's side in the first instance regardless or whether she is lying or telling the truth"? Genuine question as to the receipts on that.

All accusations of domestic violence need to be treated seriously.
 

Hazelton

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Jul 11, 2011
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Key player - innocent until proven guilty, even if guilty give him a second chance.

Squad/disliked player - disgraceful, get rid.
 

cozzo

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If this was Kane or Ericksen there wouldn't even be a debate. Most of you would need to see CCTV and even then you would say "how do you know that its really him?". But with Aurier "there's no smoke without fire", "time to get rid", etc....
 

Johnny J

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He didn't. Why question it? He was released with no further action, as in he's innocent.
You don't know he didn't. Neither do I. He wasn't charged. That doesn't mean nothing happened. Hence me saying "if". Nothing more or less than that.
 

cozzo

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You don't know he didn't. Neither do I. He wasn't charged. That doesn't mean nothing happened. Hence me saying "if". Nothing more or less than that.

It does. Unless we want to just speculate for the sake of speculating.
 
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