Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[tiger666]

i think it is that simple
we are very profitable, our average attendance will probably double next season
we need to pay players a lot closer to what they can get elsewhere
Really Kane and Alli should be looking at 150k
Rose, Hugo, Toby should be on at least 100k

How much profit did we make last season?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Yep.

120k pw x top 8 first teamers is £50m rounded.

£50m as a % of £250m (conservative) is 20% - well below the healthy 50% ratio max.

Some will be on more and some less and obviously we have other squad players but quick maths show we can easily do it.

Our turnover will be a lot more than £250m soon too

We still need to pay for the new stadium though.

It's funny when people come out with "pay them what they're worth Levy". I've heard this argument for Toby, Kane, Jan, Eriksen, Alli, Walker,Rose in the last year. All because they reportedly want over 100K a week or could earn 200K a week somewhere else. The fact is we as a club CAN'T pay these huge wages yet not because Levy WON'T pay them. We are far behind the Man U, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal in the revenue we bring in. It's got nothing to do with not wanting to pay the money, we simply don't have it.

As I said elsewhere, bumping up everyone's wages to unrealistic levels based on the recent successes is straight from the Risdale school of club running and we all know how that turned out. I'm sure Levy, as a spurs fan, is doing all he can do keep our best players at the club. But as a responsible chairman he will also be making sure he doesn't put the financial health of the club at risk. It only takes one bad season and we could easily become a mid table team, with no european football, a huge wage bill and new stadium pay for. I rather we are sensible now so we can continue to build on our successes realistically for the foreseeable future

 

[danielneeds]

We still need to pay for the new stadium though.

It's funny when people come out with "pay them what they're worth Levy". I've heard this argument for Toby, Kane, Jan, Eriksen, Alli, Walker,Rose in the last year. All because they reportedly want over 100K a week or could earn 200K a week somewhere else. The fact is we as a club CAN'T pay these huge wages yet not because Levy WON'T pay them. We are far behind the Man U, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal in the revenue we bring in. It's got nothing to do with not wanting to pay the money, we simply don't have it.

As I said elsewhere, bumping up everyone's wages to unrealistic levels based on the recent successes is straight from the Risdale school of club running and we all know how that turned out. I'm sure Levy, as a spurs fan, is doing all he can do keep our best players at the club. But as a responsible chairman he will also be making sure he doesn't put the financial health of the club at risk. It only takes one bad season and we could easily become a mid table team, with no european football, a huge wage bill and new stadium pay for. I rather we are sensible now so we can continue to build on our successes realistically for the foreseeable future

I don't think anyone who's reasonable is asking us to compete wages wise with the financial doping of City and Chelsea, and United's commercial juggernaut. But at the same time Levy might have to revise his 100k a week red line. If we want a side that is delivering title chasing performances we can't expect them to to be paid Crystal Palace level wages...

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I don't think anyone who's reasonable is asking us to compete wages wise with the financial doping of City and Chelsea, and United's commercial juggernaut. But at the same time Levy might have to revise his 100k a week red line. If we want a side that is delivering title chasing performs aces we can't expect them to to be paid Crystal Palace level wages...

We have the 6th highest wage bill in the league http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/ - it's not really Crystal Palace level wages. And this would increased since the report was released due to the amount of new contracts given out this season.

 

[knowlespurs]

The attendance might well double, but with the cost of renting Wembley, and then do we get a cut of any food drink sold?
Do we know what the ticket prices will be next season?
There are plenty of things to take into consideration for next season

well in that case we are going to lose players then
you cant expect top players to play for approx a quarter of what could get elsewhere
you dont need to pay the same but you need to be a lot closer

 

[Graysonti]

We still need to pay for the new stadium though.

It's funny when people come out with "pay them what they're worth Levy". I've heard this argument for Toby, Kane, Jan, Eriksen, Alli, Walker,Rose in the last year. All because they reportedly want over 100K a week or could earn 200K a week somewhere else. The fact is we as a club CAN'T pay these huge wages yet not because Levy WON'T pay them. We are far behind the Man U, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal in the revenue we bring in. It's got nothing to do with not wanting to pay the money, we simply don't have it.

As I said elsewhere, bumping up everyone's wages to unrealistic levels based on the recent successes is straight from the Risdale school of club running and we all know how that turned out. I'm sure Levy, as a spurs fan, is doing all he can do keep our best players at the club. But as a responsible chairman he will also be making sure he doesn't put the financial health of the club at risk. It only takes one bad season and we could easily become a mid table team, with no european football, a huge wage bill and new stadium pay for. I rather we are sensible now so we can continue to build on our successes realistically for the foreseeable future

Who's said anything about paying wages we cannot afford ?

You do realise accounts are historical statements ?

Like I said, we've had a large increase in revenues since the last accounts.

Debt will be paid from the remaining 50% of revenue and in any case, is tax efficient.

 

[danielneeds]

We have the 6th highest wage bill in the league http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/ - it's not really Crystal Palace level wages. And this would increased since the report was released due to the amount of new contracts given out this season.

I'm sure everyone else in the league has increased to thanks to the TVs deal. There's no arguing with the fact that we are pushing good faith very far paying the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Toby and Jan under £125k a week in today's market.

I'm sure Levy has put together some creative bonus packages for CL and general performance too but it's still a worry.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Who's said anything about paying wages we cannot afford ?

You do realise accounts are historical statements ?

Like I said, we've had a large increase in revenues since the last accounts.

Debt will be paid from the remaining 50% of revenue and in any case, is tax efficient.

I trust people who actually have access to the inner workings of the clubs revenues, over your GCSE maths calculations. Levy and the club accountants will pay contracts that we can afford.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Levy will have to change the wage structure.
We're likely looking at a £50m a year minimum increase thanks to the new stadium next year.
Yes I know we have to pay for it but still say half of that is available, it equals nearly £500,000 a week. The money is there to bump up the key players. The key players who clearly would be first team players for the next 5-10 years.

 

[chrissivad]

well in that case we are going to lose players then
you cant expect top players to play for approx a quarter of what could get elsewhere
you dont need to pay the same but you need to be a lot closer

wow, so because i questioned a few things we are now going to lose players....
we do need to close the gap on wages with the top teams, but we have had plenty of our players sign new contacts with us who could be earning a lot more at other clubs.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I'm sure everyone else in the league has increased to thanks to the TVs deal. There's no arguing with the fact that we are pushing good faith very far paying the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Toby and Jan under £125k a week in today's market.

I'm sure Levy has put together some creative bonus packages for CL and general performance too but it's still a worry.

We pay better wages than 14 other clubs in the league. And the fact we have put a few players one 100k pw this season shows we have pushed our wage bill up as well. I'm sure we're not scrimping at all. A big part of the reason we are building a new stadium is so we can compete with the teams financially above us by paying bigger wages. It will probably be another 4-5 years before we see our first player on 200k pw though

 

[dickieven]

It is not all about money for footballers I am sure. The BBC article mentioned Toby wanted a release clause built in. He is what, 28? If we don't win anything in the next couple of years he'd be quite right to think let me go somewhere where I can wil a league title or Champions League before I am too old.

It is all relative with money. Yes he is probably worth £140k a year or something like that if you compare to other clubs. But with us he is playing alongside his international team mates, he is virtually gauranteed a starting place, the club is pushing for the title 2 years successive and will be playing champs league again next season. Is it really worth an upheaval, prove yourself again, move the family etc just for money? I am sure many of us in our jobs could get a pay increase by applying for a new job in a rival company. Those that do apply tend to be disheartened at work (shit boss, shit work, long hours etc) it is not usually just money that makes people change jobs. Why should it be different for footballers just because they are earning 30 times what we are?

 

[Graysonti]

I trust people who actually have access to the inner workings of the clubs revenues, over your GCSE maths calculations. Levy and the club accountants will pay contracts that we can afford.

I agree - but neither of us is privy to that so we are both using guesswork - and that's what your using.

What I do know is that our turnover will be above £250m this year.

 

[nicdic]

I agree - but neither of us is privy to that so we are both using guesswork - and that's what your using.

What I do know is that our turnover will be above £250m this year.

And how much do we still need to pay off on the stadium?

 

[SPURSLIFE]

We still need to pay for the new stadium though.

It's funny when people come out with "pay them what they're worth Levy". I've heard this argument for Toby, Kane, Jan, Eriksen, Alli, Walker,Rose in the last year. All because they reportedly want over 100K a week or could earn 200K a week somewhere else. The fact is we as a club CAN'T pay these huge wages yet not because Levy WON'T pay them. We are far behind the Man U, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal in the revenue we bring in. It's got nothing to do with not wanting to pay the money, we simply don't have it.

As I said elsewhere, bumping up everyone's wages to unrealistic levels based on the recent successes is straight from the Risdale school of club running and we all know how that turned out. I'm sure Levy, as a spurs fan, is doing all he can do keep our best players at the club. But as a responsible chairman he will also be making sure he doesn't put the financial health of the club at risk. It only takes one bad season and we could easily become a mid table team, with no european football, a huge wage bill and new stadium pay for. I rather we are sensible now so we can continue to build on our successes realistically for the foreseeable future

The problem with that is with the possibility of Aldo and Walker going and us going another season not winning anything others could follow and then it's back to middle table. If we have to wait for the new stadium before we can offer higher wages and that would be at least a year after it's built before we start to feel the financial benefit then most of our stars will be gone by then. Money and silverware is what drives players on and we arn't able to give either. Poch certainly wont be around if we let our players go.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The problem with that is with the possibility of Aldo and Walker going and us going another season not winning anything others could follow and then it's back to middle table. If we have to wait for the new stadium before we can offer higher wages and that would be at least a year after it's built before we start to feel the financial benefit then most of our stars will be gone by then. Money and silverware is what drives players on and we arn't able to give either. Poch certainly wont be around if we let our players go.

we can't up our wage bill to unrealistic levels because a few players start getting twitchy. It's jut ridiculous to suggest this. The club are obviously paying out what we can afford to sustain. As I said, nothing is guaranteed in football and I rather that we live within our means than take a gamble like Risdale did with Leeds.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

we can't up our wage bill to unrealistic levels because a few players start getting twitchy. It's jut ridiculous to suggest this. The club are obviously paying out what we can afford to sustain. As I said, nothing is guaranteed in football and I rather that we live within our means than take a gamble like Risdale did with Leeds.

I know we can't afford it but then we have to expect our best players to leave. When some of ours are on 60,000 a week compared to players of other clubs twice that and even three times in some cases plus they are winning things then they will go. There is no loyalty anymore as you know. I'm not saying we need to be like Risdale did at Leeds but if we don't find a way then we will fail. I understand that Kane is on 80 grand and Lloris on 100 what is their expected earnings at City or RM probably treble that. If Walker does go to City then his current 60 grand would probably be 150. You also read that Guiardiola has made Ali his top priority in the summer and is prepared to break the bank and if they offer 80 to 90 mil Levy will take it.
All i'm saying is if we can't compete then we will remain a feeder club for the rich and famous. Sad but true.
I don't know how long you have been following Spurs but I would think I am probably the oldest one on here as I remember when Al ramsey and Billy Nick were playing as my first game was in the 1940's. We've had successes to few to mention other than the double and some cups including beating Atletico Madrid 5-1 to win the Europa league as it now is but money has changed the game. We used to be the club that went out and bought the best. We paid top dollar for the top players in the country John White. Dave Mackey, Cliff Jones etc and won the double but we can't afford it anymore and unless we have an Abramovich or oil barron buy us then we probably never will. I'm happy how we manage our affairs but we need to take a little risk in the wages department or it could be over before it's really started. Last season and this was our chance of the title and it didn't happen and if our best players and maybe our manager go then it will be a missed opportunity.

 

[rambu]

What happens in two years time though ? He could be on the slide, or he might want to stay and we renegotiate. I'd rather take the buy-out at that price than have him walk away now. I think by then we might be able to offer him the type of package that he wants to stay, football, wages, and he'll have been with us 4 years and might also feel more like sticking around, and we'll have Dier, CCV and 25m etc if not. Of course I'd rather not have the clause and just have him on a nice long contract, but I don't think it's a catastrophe - except other players might want one - which I do see could be a dangerous precedent.

Or he could be even better than now. He's a CB and usually tend to have a longer career, as well as getting better towards the later part of the career and stays there, usually.

Plus 25 mil for player of his level of player is nothing even for today, let alone in 2 years time, for a player that's right in his prime. We are in a crazy market right now and 25 mil? Are we some good, fair and honest club in Germany? We are fucking ran by Levy, come on now.

Do agree that this couple of years will be an especially tough time for Levy to keep the core of the team together.

 

[RichieS]

Lads, it's Ridsdale.

 

[SugarRay]

We pay huge bonuses. Which I think is how it should be done. When I say huge, I mean huge too.

Getting in to the champions league is worth a few hundred grand alone to certain individual players. Winning the title would see us pay out tens of millions in bonuses to the first team.

Someone very close to me did a Spurs players mortgage not so long ago. He is part of the first team, not an automatic choice but definitely racks up enough appearances to be classified as a part of the winning side if we win the title etc

He was on a potential bonus of over £2m alone.