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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

Lilbaz

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What I am somewhat struggling with is how Mr Levy agreed to this clause in the first place.

I know money for players has gone mad, but this was always on the cards and was well reported at least a couple of seasons ago, that there was going to be a big hike financially regarding money spent on players.


Maybe Toby held all the aces last time round, insisting on clause or no deal, perhaps he believes he can continue to hold all the aces this time as a result. I don't think Mr Levy likes losing 2 in a row.

We got him for £11m, 4 year contract with a year option where he can leave for £25m. He'd be 30 then. We could sell him now for much more than that.

Fantastic deal by levy.
 

cider spurs

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I get that but if more than one club offer the buyout amount it isn't clear that he is the only one with a say on which one we sell to and if we agree to sell to one of them and he rejects it, for whatever reason, has he not made the decision to stay? Also presumably £25 million is the minimum and doesn't rule out higher bids.


Isn't it twice what we paid for him?


Is it what he's worth?.
 

Lilbaz

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Not if we want to keep him.

We can keep him for two years. He might be bought for £25m next summer which is over twice as much as we bought him for, for a 30 year old.
The original deal was a great deal whatever way you look at it. Or do you double your money every 4 years?
 

Japhet

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What I am somewhat struggling with is how Mr Levy agreed to this clause in the first place.

I know money for players has gone mad, but this was always on the cards and was well reported at least a couple of seasons ago, that there was going to be a big hike financially regarding money spent on players.


Maybe Toby held all the aces last time round, insisting on clause or no deal, perhaps he believes he can continue to hold all the aces this time as a result. I don't think Mr Levy likes losing 2 in a row.


I think the hyper-inflation has caught a few people out. Back then, 85m for Bale seemed a massive amount but now it's bandied around as quite a bargain for a decent player. 25m for a 30 yr old CB would, I imagine, have seemed like a reasonable deal but it looks like chicken feed now.
 

Lou3000

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I think the hyper-inflation has caught a few people out. Back then, 85m for Bale seemed a massive amount but now it's bandied around as quite a bargain for a decent player. 25m for a 30 yr old CB would, I imagine, have seemed like a reasonable deal but it looks like chicken feed now.

But what do we think his realistic price might be this summer? VVD's price is the top of the market. He's just 26 and sold in January. So, 50m for Toby? And if we kept him until next summer? 40m were there no release?

So, we'd only lose 15m by keeping him and letting him go for the buyout clause. That seems reasonable.

Also, consider he's on just 50k a week. We'd save roughly 5.2m in salary versus paying him the 150k a week he's reportedly demanding.
 

cider spurs

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We can keep him for two years. He might be bought for £25m next summer which is over twice as much as we bought him for, for a 30 year old.
The original deal was a great deal whatever way you look at it. Or do you double your money every 4 years?


I get what you are saying, and yes doubling your money can't be seen as bad business. However, it has to be about what he's worth in today's market.

£25 million isn't going to get us much of a CB in today's climate.


I certainly wouldn't want to see Dele go for twice the amount we paid. Transfermarkt have his current value at £72 million. 11 million certainly isn't going to cut it.
 

Lilbaz

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I think the hyper-inflation has caught a few people out. Back then, 85m for Bale seemed a massive amount but now it's bandied around as quite a bargain for a decent player. 25m for a 30 yr old CB would, I imagine, have seemed like a reasonable deal but it looks like chicken feed now.

The hyper inflation looks like it's ending and some have prematurely shot their load.
Ffp 2.0 is going to limit the net spend of clubs.
The domestic premier league tv deal has dropped.
Uefa are going to crack down on the amount state run clubs can use their countries sponsors to get around ffp.
Fifa are planning a wage cap and a tax on wages over a certain amount.
 

whitestreak

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If you assume that the clubs starting positions is that they like us want to keep all their main players
and factor in that they know better than us how much salary, they will be paying in the summer and what that will look like as a budget, then very shortly we will find out if there is much truth to the TA rumors.

We are not privy to loads of variables. We can guess at some! CL qualification for next season being 1
Another could be we refuse to sell him to anyone in the EPL. Another could be that we go far in the CL
and therefore become a more attractive proposition. After all we have done ok so far against last years Finalists, which might suggest we may yet get through another one or 2 rounds if not further.


However, Surely like everything in life at some point he has to hang up his booots.
We do not have any information about how fit he is, or will be.

Supposing he can not play to his previous standard, as his hamstrings are possibly naffed?
Yet maybe we can get £60+m for him?

Kompany was once one of the best Cbs in the world ....but has been in and out for years! Total of 34 apps in 3 years (EPL)

Surely it is also about what we can replace him with...say Stefan De Vrij on a free against perhaps a crocked Toby....Bet we have Baldini in his ear!
That is worth looking at....
IMHO we could also keep him till his contract runs down...
We are an extremely well run club...and for my part Poch and Levy have most likely got this under control
 
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Mckenna88

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Wasn't the Suarez thing that basically Arsenal met the release clause but Liverpool said nope, thus basically breaching the contract and then the onus was on Suarez and his team to take liverpool to court if they wanted to force the move? And Liverpool said they will tie it up in the courts. Eventually he signed a new deal, bit someone and got his move.

I for one minute can't beleive Levy would not have a exit route if it got to the release clause.
 

Lilbaz

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Wasn't the Suarez thing that basically Arsenal met the release clause but Liverpool said nope, thus basically breaching the contract and then the onus was on Suarez and his team to take liverpool to court if they wanted to force the move? And Liverpool said they will tie it up in the courts. Eventually he signed a new deal, bit someone and got his move.

I for one minute can't beleive Levy would not have a exit route if it got to the release clause.

We pay levy £2m a year and aaround £12m in agents fees. My money is on levy though.
 

St José Dominguez

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Not sure why he's not getting the same amount of hate from fans that Walker did. Guys only been here a few years, been injured most the season, has come back looking disinterested and is in a contract dispute with the club right in the middle of a hugely important time for the club. Yes he's great but there's a slight whiff of arrogance here for me, it's like he thinks he can demand whatever he wants because otherwise we have to sell him below market value next year.

We've coped okay without him, Sanchez will be even better next year. I say sell him for good money in the summer and use it to buy de Ligt. He'll eventually take over from Jan and our CBs is sorted for next decade.
 

Shadydan

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Not sure why he's not getting the same amount of hate from fans that Walker did. Guys only been here a few years, been injured most the season, has come back looking disinterested and is in a contract dispute with the club right in the middle of a hugely important time for the club. Yes he's great but there's a slight whiff of arrogance here for me, it's like he thinks he can demand whatever he wants because otherwise we have to sell him below market value next year.

We've coped okay without him, Sanchez will be even better next year. I say sell him for good money in the summer and use it to buy de Ligt. He'll eventually take over from Jan and our CBs is sorted for next decade.

Why would the fans hate him?, everything that had been reported is hear say and conjecture, nothing is confirmed, at the end of the day he's currently a Spurs player so there's no reason to stop supporting him.
 

maltahotspur

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This is my take on the matter, I really like him a lot and he has been a great servant for us, solid, reliable and clever on the ball, you name it he has it all. But, if he wants to leave cause he thinks he deserves a lot more dosh and some other club will pay him what he wants, then let him go.
I will hold no grudges against him, he has been loyal to us and gave us sterling service.

We will survive, no problem. MoPo will surely resolve his absence and sort out a solution for the longer term.

I'd say, C'est la vie !
Let's move on................COYS
 

St José Dominguez

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Why would the fans hate him?, everything that had been reported is hear say and conjecture, nothing is confirmed, at the end of the day he's currently a Spurs player so there's no reason to stop supporting him.

Not suggesting they should. Just when Walker rumours broke the response from a lot of fans was very different. Maybe it's because Toby has pretty hair.
 

coys200

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If we sold him I’m actually really not sure we’d need to buy anyone depending on Dier. If Dier was prepared to play CB and Sanchez and foyth fulfill their potential I’d say we were fine. You also have davies as cover and possibly Ccv to take up the foyth role. Honestly believe Dier could be a top top CB if he focused on that position. Also with the Diawara DM rumours would make sense.
 

Hengy1

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If we sold him I’m actually really not sure we’d need to buy anyone depending on Dier. If Dier was prepared to play CB and Sanchez and foyth fulfill their potential I’d say we were fine. You also have davies as cover and possibly Ccv to take up the foyth role. Honestly believe Dier could be a top top CB if he focused on that position. Also with the Diawara DM rumours would make sense.
Lots of IFs in that
 

StevePil

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Toby is gone... the same things happening as with Walker, now apparently injured..

Real shame and hopefully we replace him in the Summer. Hopefully we don't lose Rose too
 
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