Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[fortworthspur]

would rather see him at United than Chelsea if he has to go to an English club. I hate Chelsea that much.

 

[WiganSpur]

That 20m could be the difference between buying quality or another n'punt.
20m isn't much to certain clubs, but it is to us.

Worth strengthening our rivals in their weakest position, and humiliating ourselves yet again by proving the theory our league rivals can just pick and choose who they want from us as they know Levy can't resist the money.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Worth strengthening our rivals in their weakest position, and humiliating ourselves yet again by proving the theory our league rivals can just pick and choose who they want from us as they know Levy can't resist the money.

Arsenal swear by it.

 

[Gb160]

humiliating ourselves yet again by proving the theory clubs can just pick and choose who they want from us as they know Levy can't resist the money.

Wonder how many other club's Chairman would choose the stance you're taking?
Not fucking many is my guess.
What you're displaying is just classic fan thinking, more concerned about having the piss taken out of you by your mates on social media than displaying any common sense.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Sounds like through those advising him, he has fucked himself as things stand.

Starting to sound a little small time, guess when your manager goes to bat for you and you 'move the goal posts' shit happens ...

 

[WiganSpur]

Wonder how many other club's Chairman would choose the stance you're taking?
Not fucking many is my guess.
What you're displaying is just classic fan thinking, more concerned about having the piss taken out of you by your mates on social media than displaying any common sense.

And what about costing us a CL spot or even god forbid a league title by selling a rival team arguably the best centre back in the league? Love how you've completely ignored my first and most important point.

Would you do the same for Kane, Alli or Eriksen if they refused to sign new deals? Just let them go to United? City? Chelsea? etc.

 

[Gb160]

And what about costing us a CL spot or even god forbid a league title by selling a rival team arguably the best centre back in the league? Love how you've completely ignored my first and most important point.

You mean just like selling Walker cost us a CL spot?
Its just nonsensical to think that by not selling to these clubs will mean they wont stregthen from elsewhere.

 

[WiganSpur]

You mean just like selling Walker cost us a CL spot?
Its just nonsensical to think that by not selling to these clubs will mean they wont stregthen from elsewhere.

Just because Walker didn't it doesn't mean selling Toby won't.

Of course they will strengthen but ask yourself this. Why are United prioritising signing Toby over other targets? He is proven Premier League quality, it's almost certain he's not going to be a dud for them. No guarantees with any foreign alternative. Bailly has been patchy for a start.

 

[philll]

Because their centrebacks are gash, he's brilliant and they know we want to offload him this summer because of the clause in his contract.

 

[Gb160]

Just because Walker didn't it doesn't mean selling Toby won't.

Of course they will strengthen but ask yourself this. Why are United prioritising signing Toby over other targets? He is proven Premier League quality, it's almost certain he's not going to be a dud for them. No guarantees with any foreign alternative. Bailly has been patchy for a start.

Probably because they know about his contract situation and know we want to sell early this summer?

 

[WiganSpur]

Probably because they know about his contract situation and know we want to sell this summer?

But that doesn't make him a cheaper option than other foreign targets in this case. They know they'd have to pay a premium for him to sign him from us.

They want him because he's bloody good.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

You know what? Take a step back from the actual Alderweireld situation for a sec..

As fucking frustrating & annoying as it would be to see us sell Alderweireld to United, think about the one sentence that has been repeated in this thread hundreds of times over the last few weeks.

"We must not sell to / strengthen a direct rival".. Which is, apparently what we also did when we sold Walker to Man Citeh.

People, listen. I'd be as angry as the rest of you, I'd hate to see Alderweireld playing against us. However, think about that statement, just for a second.

"We must not sell to / strengthen a direct rival"

We are talking about Manchester United here. You know, the richest club in the world. The most successful club in our country. Yet here we are, speaking about them on (practically) equal terms. IF we sell Alderweireld to United, I've got no doubt whatsoever that supporters of rival clubs would mock us for "selling to a direct rival".

Let them mock! For all the shit Levy gets for being tight. For all the grief Poch gets for being rigid in tactics and formations. For all the stick Redknapp got for selecting favourites. For all the shit Adebayor got because, well, he was born. We are now literally (and rightly) calling the best/biggest clubs in this country, direct rivals.

Tell me, when was the last time any of you / us ever got to do that ? If ever!

COYS

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Worth strengthening our rivals in their weakest position, and humiliating ourselves yet again by proving the theory our league rivals can just pick and choose who they want from us as they know Levy can't resist the money.

I don't agree with that

We turned Barcelona down for Eriksen by all accounts. It doesn't get much bigger than that.

If there was a sense that Kane would leave, every big club on the planet would have a go.

It's different with Toby - he obviously wants to leave, and in that instance, it doesn't often make sense to dig your heels in IMO, as long as you can get the right deal. In this instance, we have the potential to negotiate a player exchange that could work quite well

 

[MattPhilpott]

It’s like Man Utd are a couple at a swingers party where he wants a piece of everyone else’s missus, but won’t entertain anyone talking to his wife...

Shitty analogy, but if he wants our Toby, we gotta have a bit of his ‘Tony

 

[WiganSpur]

I don't agree with that

We turned Barcelona down for Eriksen by all accounts. It doesn't get much bigger than that.

If there was a sense that Kane would leave, every big club on the planet would have a go.

It's different with Toby - he obviously wants to leave, and in that instance, it doesn't often make sense to dig your heels in IMO, as long as you can get the right deal. In this instance, we have the potential to negotiate a player exchange that could work quite well

I feel it's important to clarify my stance on this.

I am in reluctant agreement to sell Toby to United if Martial is part of the deal. That is a completely different scenario. I object however to us selling him there without getting Martial. I think it portrays the club as weak and a club that does not have its priorities straight.

I am not saying we have to keep him, but we should be doing our utmost to sell him abroad. Surely there are plenty of suitors for a defender of his quality. Barcelona have been interested it seems. We can't sell him to United or any other league rival imo.

 

[riggi]

 

[Gb160]

But that doesn't make him a cheaper option than other foreign targets in this case. They know they'd have to pay a premium for him to sign him from us.

They want him because he's bloody good.

I haven't said he isn't.
He doesn't want to play for us, and the manager wants him gone, and presumably, he wants him going to the highest bidder.
Im not sure why you're struggling with this tbh...this obsession some have with 'strengthening a rival' obviously doesn't ring true with the manager, as i'd very much doubt Levy is going against Poch's wishes with first Walker and now Toby.

 

[DJS]

Weird one as if he isn't getting any interest anywhere seems odd not to try and re-negotiate with him as he is a top centre back.

I guess as been stated that if Poch went to bat for him and Toby / his advisors then stabbed him in back he is just not wanted.

And Sanchez has been first choice and would be odd to drop him for Toby now and a step back for Sanchez to be benched (possibly leading to him then being discontent, which would be a shame as he is clearly the more long-term option).

 

[WiganSpur]

I haven't said he isn't.
He doesn't want to play for us, and the manager wants him gone, and presumably, he wants him going to the highest bidder.
Im not sure why you're struggling with this tbh...this obsession some have with 'strengthening a rival' obviously doesn't ring true with the manager, as i'd very much doubt Levy is going against Poch's wishes with first Walker and now Toby.

If Pochettino thinks that this isn't strengthening a rival then I disagree with him because it blatantly is. I don't see how rivals being stronger can possibly be good for us.

 

[Gb160]

If Pochettino thinks that this isn't strengthening a rival then I disagree with him because it blatantly is. I don't see how rivals being stronger can possibly be good for us.

Because we'll end up with more money to make us stronger.
It's really simple.