Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[Lilbaz]

Not sure that's the case any more Hans. Herc has consistently said that we're now on the same playing field when it comes to spending.

Nope. Read his itk's everyone but the manc clubs.

 

[Indisguise]

Nope. Read his itk's everyone but the manc clubs.

Yep, you're quite right. I stand corrected.

 

[WiganSpur]

Cant believe we were daft enough to put the clause in in the first place tbh

He's been here for 3 years though now, so arguably a 4 year contract with a release clause option for another year is better than just 4 years. He could leave for free next season in that case. It depends on the negotiations at the time. Perhaps Toby wanted only a 4 year contract and we weren't entirely happy with that.

I think the idea had he done well was to renegotiate to remove it but that obviously hasn't worked out with his demands.

 

[JB_Spurs]

Tell you what I've been checking out that Pavard, 22 years old playing in bundesliga and his ability at interception along with some tasty passes. I wonder if we don't get De Ligt whether this guy would be a worthwhile replacement of Alders strongest attributes.

He's recently been linked with Bayern too

 

[Gb160]

I don’t get these clauses - how did Pool outright refuse Arsenal’s offer for Suarez when they met his release clause? Surely we’d just do the same?

To cut a long story short it was never a release clause as such... it was a clause that if a bid for him came in above that amount, he had to be made aware of it.
Liverpool had absolutely no obligation to sell for any price, so thats why they didnt sell.
It was a stupid clause and i'd guess a complete fuck up by the agent...the funny thing was Arsenal were made to look stupid as they clearly thought it was a release clause, hence the £40m + 1p bid or whatever it was.

If its a proper release clause, the selling club are completely powerless to stop it, see Neymar to PSG for example.
If they were as easy to get out of as has been suggested, they'd be pretty pointless.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Cant believe we were daft enough to put the clause in in the first place tbh

Agreed, but perhaps it was the only way we could get him to sign?

 

[Gb160]

Agreed, but perhaps it was the only way we could get him to sign?

Must be the case imo, goes completely against what DL like to do.

 

[1882andallthat]

I know it's a risk but it has a reasonable chance of working. What we do if Man Utd come knocking again within the next week is we remind them that Martial must come to us in exchange, hold that line and if they insist it's a no go, Levy ends the conversation by casually dropping in the following line, "if Belgium have a decent World Cup, others will come knocking ncluding your neighbours City and then the price goes up and he leaves them on the other end with that lpast line hanging there. ". He will have sown a seed of doubt and fear in thir minds that this may happen and they could lose out. That will put the shits up Mourinho, he will start getting jittery and stamping his feet up and down and it may unsettle the Utd board into giving in. This simple line and bluff call may potentially make them deal early after they've had time to think about it too long and it's a win win as Levy and Poch get a transfer done early doors. Now that could be what Poch calls taking a risk.

Of course many of you will say that it could backfire as Belgium could tumble out of the World Cup early with a shit shower showing in the defence, but of these two possible outcomes I'd say the former is more likely than the latter, I think they will at least make the quarter finals and in getting there they will have impressed in doing so for that reason I think Man Utd will be shitting themselves and they know it's a distinct possibility.

 

[sausage]

It does seem strange. Very unlike Levy.

Bear in mind the clause is over double what we paid for him. The market has changed and that would have been quite ambitious at the time

 

[spids]

To cut a long story short it was never a release clause as such... it was a clause that if a bid for him came in above that amount, he had to be made aware of it.
Liverpool had absolutely no obligation to sell for any price, so thats why they didnt sell.
It was a stupid clause and i'd guess a complete fuck up by the agent...the funny thing was Arsenal were made to look stupid as they clearly thought it was a release clause, hence the £40m + 1p bid or whatever it was.

If its a proper release clause, the selling club are completely powerless to stop it, see Neymar to PSG for example.
If they were as easy to get out of as has been suggested, they'd be pretty pointless.

It was reported after the move fell through that the owner of Liverpool at the time admitted there was a release clause but that they decided not to honour it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/mar/02/liverpool-john-henry-luis-suarez-clause

The Liverpool owner John Henry has reportedly admitted that Luis Suárez did have a £40m buyout clause but that the club simply refused to sell the player when Arsenal made their £40m plus one pound offer last summer.

At the time Liverpool were adamant that the Gunners' bid would not trigger the release of their striker, but Henry, speaking at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, appears to have suggested that the Reds simply took a hard line because "apparently these contracts don't seem to hold".

"Luis Suarez is the top scorer in the English Premier League, which is arguably the top soccer league in the world," Henry is reported to have said. "He had a buyout clause of £40m. Arsenal, one of our prime rivals, offered £40m plus £1. What we've found … is that contracts don't seem to mean a lot in England – actually, in world football.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Bear in mind the clause is over double what we paid for him. The market has changed and that would have been quite ambitious at the time

Fair point

 

[Gb160]

It was reported after the move fell through that the owner of Liverpool at the time admitted there was a release clause but that they decided not to honour it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/mar/02/liverpool-john-henry-luis-suarez-clause

The Liverpool owner John Henry has reportedly admitted that Luis Suárez did have a £40m buyout clause but that the club simply refused to sell the player when Arsenal made their £40m plus one pound offer last summer.

At the time Liverpool were adamant that the Gunners' bid would not trigger the release of their striker, but Henry, speaking at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, appears to have suggested that the Reds simply took a hard line because "apparently these contracts don't seem to hold".

"Luis Suarez is the top scorer in the English Premier League, which is arguably the top soccer league in the world," Henry is reported to have said. "He had a buyout clause of £40m. Arsenal, one of our prime rivals, offered £40m plus £1. What we've found … is that contracts don't seem to mean a lot in England – actually, in world football.

Then it wasnt a legally enforcable release clause.
I think Henry's talking bollocks there, and just got lucky with the agents incompetence.

If they're not enforcable why didnt Barca decide not to honour Neymar's?...they clearly did everything they could to stop it, but they were powerless.

As i said, if they were that easy to get around, they'd be completely pointless.

 

[newbie]

Then it wasnt a legally enforcable release clause.
I think Henry's talking bollocks there, and just got lucky with the agents incompetence.

If they're not enforcable why didnt Barca decide not to honour Neymar's?...they clearly did everything they could to stop it, but they were powerless.

As i said, if they were that easy to get around, they'd be completely pointless.[/QUOTE

Exactly If that’s the case if the contract means nothing then players could walk for free.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Seeing as this isn't the ITK thread, I'm assuming it's ok to post this here.

People who regularly visit the New Stadium thread will be aware of a guy called Rob Hayward. A few think he's full of it, others, myself included, are actually aware that he does sometimes get some good / decent info about our club. I've been mates with Rob for almost a decade, I trust him & I like the guy. I'm sure one of the resident ITK's will soon poo poo the info if it's not true, so there's little / no need for anyone to insult him.

He's just messaged me and said the following....

"If United don't include Martial, then Toby stays unless they match the £75m valuation. Toby's dad has gone back to Spurs with his tail between his legs. Toby is happy to stay but tensions between his camp and the board are strained"

 

[tiger666]

This is a depressingly accurate read about him and what he brings to the team and what we will miss.

We've missed him for most of the season and still finished 3rd.

 

[Univarn]

Seeing as this isn't the ITK thread, I'm assuming it's ok to post this here.

People who regularly visit the New Stadium thread will be aware of a guy called Rob Hayward. A few think he's full of it, others, myself included, are actually aware that he does sometimes get some good / decent info about our club. I've been mates with Rob for over almost a decade, I trust him & I like the guy. I'm sure one of the resident ITK's will soon poo poo the info if it's not true, so there's little / no need for anyone to insult him.

He's just messaged me and said the following....

"If United don't include Martial, then Toby stays unless they match the £75m valuation. Toby's dad has gone back to Spurs with his tail between his legs. Toby is happy to stay but tensions between his camp and the board are strained"

Feels a little bit like this is giving hope he will stay when the hope is little to those that are stay no matter. Unless of course de Ligt is just too expensive and our backups are just not getable. Even that feels unlikely. I bet ManU pay up or cave on Martial.

 

[slartibartfast]

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We've missed him for most of the season and still finished 3rd.

Where could we have finished had he played all season?
Ok not much chance of better than 2nd this season but next???
Surely you'd rather he stayed and if so he goes into your strongest starting 11?

 

[Gb160]

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Where could we have finished had he played all season?
Ok not much chance of better than 2nd this season but next???
Surely you'd rather he stayed and if so he goes into your strongest starting 11?

I think the point being made was that article over eggs the pudding a bit.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Feels a little bit like this is giving hope he will stay when the hope is little to those that are stay no matter. Unless of course de Ligt is just too expensive and our backups are just not getable. Even that feels unlikely. I bet ManU pay up or cave on Martial.

Time reveals all, I guess. The message Rob sent me could easily be bullshit, I genuinely have no way of knowing. All I do know is I've been in contact with Rob for almost a quarter of my life & he has given me stadium info years ago that has all been proven correct since we actually finally got permission to start the build after getting rid of the obstruction known as Archway.

Like I said in the original post, there are a fair few on here who are aware of him via the Stadium thread. Some think he's full of it, but there are also more than a few who think the opposite of that & think he has good info every now and again.

Either way, I didn't see any harm in sharing what he told me & hopefully won't get abused for doing so.

 

[Univarn]

Time reveals all, I guess. The message Rob sent me could easily be bullshit, I genuinely have no way of knowing. All I do know is I've been in contact with Rob for almost a quarter of my life & he has given me stadium info years ago that has all been proven correct since we actually finally got permission to start the build after getting rid of the obstruction known as Archway.

Like I said in the original post, there are a fair few on here who are aware of him via the Stadium thread. Some think he's full of it, but there are also more than a few who think the opposite of that & think he has good info every now and again.

Either way, I didn't see any harm in sharing what he told me & hopefully won't get abused for doing so.

Sorry not calling you out for sharing nor the knowledge of Rob. Just saying that any ambiguity in the Toby saga drives many on here loopy. I think a lot of that ambiguity is just the on/off nature of transfer negotiation.