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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

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Am Yisrael Chai
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Can't help feeling that any issues would be between Toby (or more likely his advisors) and Levy. I doubt he's had any kind of falling out with Poch. I don't think we would have seen him anywhere near the team if things had truly broken down between the two of them. If that's true then the door remains open for him to return, which would be great. Rose too!
Poch and Levy are on the same page, if you disrespect Levy, the club or Poch then you've disrespected all of them
 

allatsea

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Can't help feeling that any issues would be between Toby (or more likely his advisors) and Levy. I doubt he's had any kind of falling out with Poch. I don't think we would have seen him anywhere near the team if things had truly broken down between the two of them. If that's true then the door remains open for him to return, which would be great. Rose too!

He disrespected Poch when Poch got Levy to agree to the deal Toby asked for and then he wanted considerably more. No doubt Levy is pissed off but so is Poch and that is fatal for anyone at Spurs.
 

Nebby

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Poch and Levy are on the same page, if you disrespect Levy, the club or Poch then you've disrespected all of them

I very much doubt it's as simple as that. Sounds like a rather foolish way to run any kind of business, let alone a football club where large egos are in abundance, an individual's sense of worth is often over inflated, and a bunch of agents are running about the place looking to ramp up earning potential at every opportunity. As for Levy and Poch, I think that Real Madrid sniffing about will shed some light on just how much they really are on the same page.
 

Nebby

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He disrespected Poch when Poch got Levy to agree to the deal Toby asked for and then he wanted considerably more. No doubt Levy is pissed off but so is Poch and that is fatal for anyone at Spurs.

Oh I very much doubt Poch is quite that immature. You don't chuck away arguably one of the best CBs in Europe for something so trivial.
 

allatsea

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Oh I very much doubt Poch is quite that immature. You don't chuck away arguably one of the best CBs in Europe for something so trivial.

That is my understanding of what happened. Poch went into bat for him with Levy and got him what he wanted. Toby then decided he wanted lots more. Poch was properly pissed off.
 

Now it's Spursonal

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My guess as to what will happen. Poch really wants De Ligt and knows that he needs to sell Toby to get him. I think we'll ultimately miss out on De Ligt, sadly, and then Poch will be happy to keep Toby which id be perfectly fine with.
 

Nebby

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That is my understanding of what happened. Poch went into bat for him with Levy and got him what he wanted. Toby then decided he wanted lots more. Poch was properly pissed off.

So pissed off that Toby gets sent packing? Are we supposed to think that this has never happened to Poch or Levy before? They're not exactly new to the game. It all sounds like a typical contract negotiation. Who knows how much the goals will have moved since talks began and where we are now... CL football secured and other senior players all looking at new deals. I would assume new players will be coming in too, so there's no telling what impact that might have on Toby's contract and the terms therein. I'd say he would be mad to sign anything until it's absolutely necessary.
 

philll

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I don't know that Toby himself has overstepped the mark but it sounds like he has some bellends representing him, which is unfortunate for him.
 

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Oh I very much doubt Poch is quite that immature. You don't chuck away arguably one of the best CBs in Europe for something so trivial.


Trivial?

The whole situation has arisen from something along the lines of...

Alderweireld was offered (or was about to be offered) a contract, but it wasn't enough.

He told Poch what would be enough, so Poch went in to Levy's office and talked Levy into offering what Alderweireld had told him would be enough.

Levy, after hearing how much Poch felt Aldereireld was important enough to deserve what he asked for, agreed to what Poch and Alderweireld had discussed and agreed.

Then, just as it appeared it could all be put to bed, Alderweireld's dad decided that wasn't enough, he wanted to demand another £80k p/w on top of what had been agreed after Poch had fought for Alderweireld to be offered what he wanted.

It's a monumental kick in the bollocks for Pochettino & Levy. But if I were Poch and I'd just fought for you, then you decide to shit all over me after the event, I'd be seeing that as something significantly worse than trivial.
 
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CoopsieDeadpool

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So pissed off that Toby gets sent packing? Are we supposed to think that this has never happened to Poch or Levy before? They're not exactly new to the game. It all sounds like a typical contract negotiation. Who knows how much the goals will have moved since talks began and where we are now... CL football secured and other senior players all looking at new deals. I would assume new players will be coming in too, so there's no telling what impact that might have on Toby's contract and the terms therein. I'd say he would be mad to sign anything until it's absolutely necessary.


The good folk in ITK land, who have informed us of the shorthanded shenanigans, the bridges that were burned as a result, the interest in him from other clubs disappearing and, as a result, greedy daddy sheepishly returning with his tail between his legs.
 

Mandingo

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So pissed off that Toby gets sent packing? Are we supposed to think that this has never happened to Poch or Levy before? They're not exactly new to the game. It all sounds like a typical contract negotiation. Who knows how much the goals will have moved since talks began and where we are now... CL football secured and other senior players all looking at new deals. I would assume new players will be coming in too, so there's no telling what impact that might have on Toby's contract and the terms therein. I'd say he would be mad to sign anything until it's absolutely necessary.
Honestly, which player in recent memory has been outrageously good for us, wanted more money/sought a move then came back to the negotiating table? In the past 10-15 years all of those players have left!
 

Nebby

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Trivial?

The whole situation has arisen from something along the lines of...

Alderweireld was offered (or was about to be offered) a contract, but it wasn't enough.

He told Poch what would be enough, so Poch went in to Levy's office and talked Levy into offering what Alderweireld had told him would be enough.

Levy, after hearing how much Poch felt Aldereireld was important enough to deserve what he asked for, agreed to what Poch and Alderweireld had discussed and agreed.

Then, just as it appeared it could all be put to bed, Alderweireld's dad decided that wasn't enough, he wanted to demand another £80k p/w on top of what had been agreed after Poch had fought for Alderweireld to be offered what he wanted.

It's a monumental kick in the bollocks for Pochettino & Levy. But if I were Poch and I'd just fought for you, then you decide to shit all over me after the event, I'd be seeing that as something significantly worse than trivial.

This all seems far too emotive and juvenile. You make them all sound like a bunch of school kids.
 

Nebby

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Honestly, which player in recent memory has been outrageously good for us, wanted more money/sought a move then came back to the negotiating table? In the past 10-15 years all of those players have left!

I don't have a problem with any player wanting the absolute most they can get from the club. It's business, nothing personal.

And if Toby really is agitating for a move, where is the buying club? In the past 10-15 years, we've lost our better players when a buying club is clearly in the frame. This just hasn't happened with Toby. There's no real interest from United or Madrid or Liverpool even, like there was with Berba, Carrick, Modric, Bale, Keane...

Maybe Toby's dad is a bit of a dick in negotiations. Well, people say that about Levy all the time, so I'm pretty sure he can handle it without throwing a hissy fit.

I really do hope he stays, as he's too good to get rid of over an awkward negotiation. If Poch wants him gone for playing reasons, well that's fair enough. But because he's supposedly been dissed??? That would be ludicrous.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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The problem is I think even Poch is on board the Sanchez train now. He would have lost faith in Toby and Sanchez has so much potential (and recovery pace, which was the big weakness of the Jan/Toby partnership, as awesome as it was). If we play a back 4 I could see Poch choosing Davinson over Toby. I get why fans would like him to stay, I'd take it too, but I think those clinging on are not considering these things.

Wouldn't surprise me if Poch wants to swap him for Martial (and hopefully bring in De Ligt).
Think it's pretty clear we're going to try 3 at the back again next season.
 

Galactico14

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Trivial?

The whole situation has arisen from something along the lines of...

Alderweireld was offered (or was about to be offered) a contract, but it wasn't enough.

He told Poch what would be enough, so Poch went in to Levy's office and talked Levy into offering what Alderweireld had told him would be enough.

Levy, after hearing how much Poch felt Aldereireld was important enough to deserve what he asked for, agreed to what Poch and Alderweireld had discussed and agreed.

Then, just as it appeared it could all be put to bed, Alderweireld's dad decided that wasn't enough, he wanted to demand another £80k p/w on top of what had been agreed after Poch had fought for Alderweireld to be offered what he wanted.

It's a monumental kick in the bollocks for Pochettino & Levy. But if I were Poch and I'd just fought for you, then you decide to shit all over me after the event, I'd be seeing that as something significantly worse than trivial.

Don’t disagree regarding trivial & Poch has every right to be angry. But surely Poch has made his stance clear to Toby and indeed rest of squad with his team selections for last few months. Same with Rose situation.
Now it’s about going again next season with the very best squad we can build, and no one can tell me Toby should not be in there for footballing reasons, I personally would be disappointed if Poch couldn’t draw a line under it for sake of what’s best on pitch.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Seems odd we're chasing more attacking midfielders if that's the case. We can't give them all game time as it is playing with three of them, never mind two.
But it would be more odd if we were chasing a 50m CB and putting him on the bench. Just my view.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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And if Toby really is agitating for a move, where is the buying club? In the past 10-15 years, we've lost our better players when a buying club is clearly in the frame. This just hasn't happened with Toby. There's no real interest from United
You sure about that?
 
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