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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

spursram

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He must be extremely determined to leave. He's missed out on millions in wages he could've picked up the last couple of seasons had he signed a new deal.
My feelings exactly. I have problems getting my head around what players earn. His agent will have to ensure that whatever his new club pay him will make up for what he has lost with us over possibly a whole season. And he hasn't that many seasons left. All very strange. Nose and face spring to mind, although he has acted very professionally given what is going on. I think he'll be gone in January. If not he should get a new agent (or sign the bloody contract that was offered)!!
 

Jaddas

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Some Toby stats from his time with us thus far courtesy of Sky Sports:

Games played: 125
Goals against: 100
Clean sheets: 49
Errors leading to goals: 1
Fouls: 43
Yellow cards: 11
Red cards: 0

Some impressive stats, especially cleans sheets, errors and cards.

Shame we can't seem to tie him down to a new contract as he'll be sorely missed. Even with his injury record, he'll be a bargain at £25m for someone.
 

Cornpattbuck

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Can't blame payers for wanting to get the best deal they can in their careers and also wanting to win trophies. Let's hope they can do it with us

And yet most of Toby's wanting to leave has surrounded times where we were trying to pay him a top wage, he seemed to fit in well with our squad and loves playing for our manager AND we were competing for things if our players were ALL completely focused...

Hmm, keep hoping the club is playing silly buggers with announcements for him and Christian, but it seems less and less likely. And yet they're both potentially stiffing our faith and transfer fees to help us rebuild.

Gutted if nothing changes and neither seem the type. Sort it out lads.
 

Adam456

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Unsurprising that some are in full panic mode but a little look at the sums and it's not so straightforward. At over 30 (in the summer when I / we understand the clause is applicable) then nobody is going to give him more than 3 years (some only 2). As he will have no resale value that means somebody effectively prepared to pay £8.3m per year on top of his wages.

Clearly these sums of money are not crazy for the likes of Citeh. But £8.3m per year is £160k pw and that means matching our offer would cost approx £300k pw. Going significantly above would be towards £350k pw.

As good as he is, would they be prepared to commit to that for a central defender who is by no means injury prone but has had a few spells out recently ?

If so then good luck to them but they will almost certainly be overpaying. I think it is just as likely he either signs a new contract with us or stays a further year so he can go for free

In the case of Man U they may well be changing manager. Citeh may recoil back from big spends on ageing players. And Toby doesn't seem to be that highly rated in Spain (for some reason).

No reason to think he is gone already
 
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wirE

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I'm not digging this extension of a contract. Both Jan and Toby's contracts now run to 2020 and with Toby's release fee, any club can pick him up at any point
Imo Levy should have dug a bit deeper down his pocket and paid both the wage they deserve. Best defensive pair in the Premier League
 

Tottenhamboy85

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I'm not digging this extension of a contract. Both Jan and Toby's contracts now run to 2020 and with Toby's release fee, any club can pick him up at any point
Imo Levy should have dug a bit deeper down his pocket and paid both the wage they deserve. Best defensive pair in the Premier League
Verts will now go on a rolling 1 year deal imo it’s what normally happens once you reach that age.
 

Cornpattbuck

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I'm not digging this extension of a contract. Both Jan and Toby's contracts now run to 2020 and with Toby's release fee, any club can pick him up at any point
Imo Levy should have dug a bit deeper down his pocket and paid both the wage they deserve. Best defensive pair in the Premier League

Toby can't be signed until the summer - media haven't reported that part of the clause and I hadn't realised until I was corrected.

They are both brilliant and could easily move to Italy and extend their careers until 36ish.

Hoping Jan stays though and becomes part of the coaching team. Feels part of the furniture.
 

allpaths

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Love how in the comments of every single social media posting poor Toby makes 90% of the replies are Spurs fans spamming the shit out of him begging him to sign a new contract. lol
 

jay2040

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Personal view is that there was a time for reconciliation and it has not materialised . I think he is still going to give his all each game but come end of the season i am sure Poch would have a contigency in place...
 

allatsea

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I'm not digging this extension of a contract. Both Jan and Toby's contracts now run to 2020 and with Toby's release fee, any club can pick him up at any point
Imo Levy should have dug a bit deeper down his pocket and paid both the wage they deserve. Best defensive pair in the Premier League

We agreed to give Toby what he wanted after Poch pleaded with Levy. Then Toby and his team wanted more. Greed overtook common sense. How much do you suggest we should have offered when we had matched his requested salary etc ?
 

spursfan77

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He must be extremely determined to leave. He's missed out on millions in wages he could've picked up the last couple of seasons had he signed a new deal.

That’s what I don’t understand. He must have been really badly advised. Surely any right minded agent would have told him to sign a new contract at a higher wage and then just push for a move when he wanted to leave. That’s how modern football/transfers works, isn’t it?
 

ShayLaB

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I can't remember dates but that contract was on the table 12-18 months ago. Maybe the same deal is not available from the club now. Or rather it is, but the end date is still the same and it has now become a much shorter contract.
 

cider spurs

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Toby pure class. 1 error leading to a goal in 125 games. Wow!

and then we have the 'best in the World' Lovren...125 errors leading to goals in 1 game. :sneaky:
 

Lilbaz

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Apr 1, 2005
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That’s what I don’t understand. He must have been really badly advised. Surely any right minded agent would have told him to sign a new contract at a higher wage and then just push for a move when he wanted to leave. That’s how modern football/transfers works, isn’t it?

Not anymore. Transfer fees are so high at the moment players are running down their contracts in order to get huge wages and signing on fees.
 

Mckenna88

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Not anymore. Transfer fees are so high at the moment players are running down their contracts in order to get huge wages and signing on fees.

This is my view of things. If transfer fees don't come under control in the near future you will see more and more of this from players. sign for 3 years and then they are free to sign for whoever they want at the end of the deal while earning them and their agent an absolute fortune in signing on fees.

It actually could be the way transfers are done in 10 years. 100m+ fees is not sustainable
 

LeParisien

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You just answered your own question I think - he isnt a young man and 50k a week really isnt much in the grand scheme of things. Four more years at 150k a week (potentially more) would set him and his family up for life... trophies will be great along the way but trophies wont get him money...

I disagree with this.

50k a week with 50% tax gives 25k a week or 100k a month in his pocket. That’s 1 million every 10 months or 3.6 million over a 3 year contract. He could make that work for him over the rest of his life.

Actually his tax burden will be less than 50% ... more like 40% so if he saves all of the above then he has 10% wages to live on. He’s probably paid off house and cars (or could have if providing for his family were such a concern) and so 5k a month is enough to live off for the remainder of his contract.

(Indeed with the money saved away he would have significant capital and MINIMUM 5k a month for life).

If he moves it is for sporting reasons not economic reasons.
 
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