Player Watch: Victor Wanyama

[Graysonti]

Such a shame

I reckon we should go for Rice at WH

 

[dtxspurs]

Such a shame

I reckon we should go for Rice at WH

Check the winter wishlist thread...

 

[gp13tot]

I hope we get a fernandinho style all rounder who can play at dm rather than a barrios type who isn't technically good enough and only destroys.

Wanyama and dembele clearly finished now. Rose too i fear.

Would like winks, onomah, dier and a top drawer fernandinho type as the midfield going forward, with skipp getting some minutes here and there. A mf playmaker too if we can find a good one within our budget.

 

[mil1lion]

I've seen nothing from Onomah to show he is good enough for this level, and I'm not ready to crown Skipp or Amos after a few preseason games.

Winks still has yet to complete a full season, so I'm not ready to crown him and I'm also not satisfied with having 1 senior level CM. Has nothing to do with an obsession for signings, its a genuine need. And with our supposed summer transfer targets Poch agrees.

Well 'need' is clearly what one believes to be the case and at this time is very debatable given we have Winks and Dembele. I think people need to understand that we have limited funds for transfers. We can't just go out and spend freely, we have to be a lot more selective. This makes the development of youngsters all the more important. It's alright people going on about sign this player, sign that player, without the mention of cost building up.

At this moment in time we have a few great prospects in centre midfield. We don't however have anyone else like Wanyama so if he's not capable of staying fit we should replace him. If Toby doesn't stay we need to replace him, same for Rose. We don't have another prospect at number 10 or centre forward to fill the roles of Eriksen and Kane. So already that's potentially 5 areas more important in my opinion than a role Winks has filled.

 

[mil1lion]

I hope we get a fernandinho style all rounder who can play at dm rather than a barrios type who isn't technically good enough and only destroys.

Wanyama and dembele clearly finished now. Rose too i fear.

Would like winks, onomah, dier and a top drawer fernandinho type as the midfield going forward, with skipp getting some minutes here and there. A mf playmaker too if we can find a good one within our budget.

A versatile option would be ideal. If we could sign someone who can partner Dier (better than Wanyama does) that opens our options up nicely in centre midfield.

 

[JayB]

Well 'need' is clearly what one believes to be the case and at this time is very debatable given we have Winks and Dembele. I think people need to understand that we have limited funds for transfers. We can't just go out and spend freely, we have to be a lot more selective. This makes the development of youngsters all the more important. It's alright people going on about sign this player, sign that player, without the mention of cost building up.

At this moment in time we have a few great prospects in centre midfield. We don't however have anyone else like Wanyama so if he's not capable of staying fit we should replace him. If Toby doesn't stay we need to replace him, same for Rose. We don't have another prospect at number 10 or centre forward to fill the roles of Riksen and Kane. So already that's potentially 5 areas more important in my opinion than a role Winks has filled.

I disagree that central midfield shouldn't be one of our top priorities. It has been clear for years now that Dembele is declining, something that seems to only be accelerating. It's been equally clear when you look at the players we've targeted and failed to sign during the past two summers (Barkley, Grealish, Ndombele, de Jong) that it's an area that Poch has wanted to address, we just haven't managed to actually succeed in doing so.

As good as Onomah and Skipp may become, we can't allow such an important part of the squad to continue to languish while we wait to see if they'll come good.

 

[dtxspurs]

Onomah/Skipp/Amos need to take the Sissoko role. Not the Dembele one.

 

[mil1lion]

I disagree that central midfield shouldn't be one of our top priorities. It has been clear for years now that Dembele is declining, something that seems to only be accelerating. It's been equally clear when you look at the players we've targeted and failed to sign during the past two summers (Barkley, Grealish, Ndombele, de Jong) that it's an area that Poch has wanted to address, we just haven't managed to actually succeed in doing so.

As good as Onomah and Skipp may become, we can't allow such an important part of the squad to continue to languish while we wait to see if they'll come good.

Well we dont know for sure what 'rumoured' players were genuine. The only ones we know were genuine are Barkley and Grealish. 2 players who I saw as playing the Eriksen role rather than number 8. I doubt they were seen as better options to replace Dembele than Winks.

Onomah/Skipp/Amos need to take the Sissoko role. Not the Dembele one.

Neither plays right wing though. Although Sissoko is doing well at the moment but in the long run I'd like to see KWP occupy that right wing role in future. If not then Georgiou.

 

[dtxspurs]

@mil1lion various ITK this summer linked us with De Jong, Ndombele, Ceballos, & Kovacic. JJ just last week confirming we tried hard for De Jong. We've got the wing cover to where unless there are injuries Sissoko doesn't play there. I'm saying give those kids the minutes Sissoko gets at CM. Ease them in, if we have a surplus of CM in the end then thats fucking awesome.

 

[allpaths]

I hope we get a fernandinho style all rounder who can play at dm rather than a barrios type who isn't technically good enough and only destroys.

Wanyama and dembele clearly finished now. Rose too i fear.

Would like winks, onomah, dier and a top drawer fernandinho type as the midfield going forward, with skipp getting some minutes here and there. A mf playmaker too if we can find a good one within our budget.

Funny I feel Fernandinho/Kante and Barrios are all very similar DM as they are highly mobile, combative, water carriers. While Barrios maybe the least technical of the bunch the most important aspect of the role is how similar they are out of possession.

 

[mil1lion]

@mil1lion various ITK this summer linked us with De Jong, Ndombele, Ceballos, & Kovacic. JJ just last week confirming we tried hard for De Jong. We've got the wing cover to where unless there are injuries Sissoko doesn't play there. I'm saying give those kids the minutes Sissoko gets at CM. Ease them in, if we have a surplus of CM in the end then thats fucking awesome.

De Jong and Ndombele are 21, Caballos 22. So why so against our youngsters who are here now working with us already. Yet want these same age youngsters from another league and for whatever they'll cost (De Jong was linked with Man City at 70m)? We already have young prospects in this position and are in need of filling other positions. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[dtxspurs]

De Jong and Ndombele are 21, Caballos 22. So why so against our youngsters who are here now working with us already. Yet want these same age youngsters from another league and for whatever they'll cost (De Jong was linked with Man City at 70m)? We already have young prospects in this position and are in need of filling other positions. It doesn't make sense to me.

Those 3 have shown infinitely more potential than Onomah, Skipp and Amos have ever dreamed of showing. No one in world football would compare our 3 to those 3 favorably.

It has nothing to do with age.

 

[allpaths]

De Jong and Ndombele are 21, Caballos 22. So why so against our youngsters who are here now working with us already. Yet want these same age youngsters from another league and for whatever they'll cost (De Jong was linked with Man City at 70m)? We already have young prospects in this position and are in need of filling other positions. It doesn't make sense to me.

Only one considerable better than any of our academy boys is Ndombele imo. Caballos' development has stalled just like Onomah's has. Josh has to out compete Sissoko if he wants a chance at spurs. Amos long term shouldnt be considered he's never shown that much to me other than being a tidy player that should at least make a good living at championship level. Skipp is special and has the right combination of traits to make it.

 

[mil1lion]

Those 3 have shown infinitely more potential than Onomah, Skipp and Amos have ever dreamed of showing. No one in world football would compare our 3 to those 3 favorably.

It has nothing to do with age.

I'm not saying they are but when you have a position well filled and other areas to improve why spend so much on these guys? We have at least 3 positions that need filling first so spending most of our budget on this type of player doesn't make sense. We couldn't even sign 1 player in the summer so maybe we have to be a lot more selective over signings. In my personal opinion if we signed a defensive midfielder, another number 10 playmaker and centre forward we'd have made huge improvements.

 

[mil1lion]

Only one considerable better than any of our academy boys is Ndombele imo. Caballos' development has stalled just like Onomah's has. Josh has to out compete Sissoko if he wants a chance at spurs. Amos long term shouldnt be considered he's never shown that much to me other than being a tidy player that should at least make a good living at championship level. Skipp is special and has the right combination of traits to make it.

I haven't seen Ndombele but looking at the videos on Youtube he looks more ideal to the advanced attacking midfield role than a number 8. I'm not sure he's what we need at this time, he seems more of an Alli/Lamela alternative (positionally) which we don't need.

 

[allpaths]

I haven't seen Ndombele but looking at the videos on Youtube he looks more ideal to the advanced attacking midfield role than a number 8. I'm not sure he's what we need at this time, he seems more of an Alli/Lamela alternative (positionally) which we don't need.

no he's absolutely a box to box type that can dribble and pass forward to devastating effect. While also being strong in the tackle and positionally disciplined.

 

[dtxspurs]

I'm not saying they are but when you have a position well filled and other areas to improve why spend so much on these guys? We have at least 3 positions that need filling first so spending most of our budget on this type of player doesn't make sense. We couldn't even sign 1 player in the summer so maybe we have to be a lot more selective over signings. In my personal opinion if we signed a defensive midfielder, another number 10 playmaker and centre forward we'd have made huge improvements.

That position is only well filled based off insane hype for some youth players who have shown nothing at the senior level.

Has Lamela not shown himself as an adequate Eriksen alternative? We have Eriksen, Dele & Lamela who can all fill in at #10.

Fullbacks are infinitely more important than #10 and backup forward to me as well. DM should be our #1 priority in January I agree with that.

 

[Blake Griffin]

It's definitely the defensive midfield role that we're lacking in with the Wanyama issue, so I agree there. I like our other centre midfield options though in Winks with Onomah, Amos and Skipp coming through too. I think we're well sorted for ball playing centre midfielders. I would much rather invest in a destructive DM along with another number 10 rather than another 8.

The DM needs to have those Wanyama qualities from the season before last. What a beast he was, such a shame he is so often injured now though.

skipp is a dm.

 

[mil1lion]

no he's absolutely a box to box type that can dribble and pass forward to devastating effect. While also being strong in the tackle and positionally disciplined.

He doesn't look to have the touch and control to play in a 2 though. He seems like a player who needs to shift the ball out of his feet and drive forward. Maybe more suited to a central 3 for this league. If he's more box to box as you say then he is more a Sissoko replacement given his qualities. If we have the funds to fill the other key areas and get this guy too then great but I doubt we do.

That position is only well filled based off insane hype for some youth players who have shown nothing at the senior level.

Has Lamela not shown himself as an adequate Eriksen alternative? We have Eriksen, Dele & Lamela who can all fill in at #10.

Fullbacks are infinitely more important than #10 and backup forward to me as well. DM should be our #1 priority in January I agree with that.

Lamela isn't a number 10. He's more of a dribbler playing between the lines than a head up passer like Eriksen. You need the Eriksen type to pick out the runs of Lamela/Alli.

skipp is a dm.

He has the attributes for the Winks role for me. I think he's perfect as the 2016 Winks replacement (Winks being the Dembele replacement). Either way I still think we need a Wanyama type more than another number 8 and with our limited funds it's about priority.

 

[coys200]

Wonder if he actually has any value re a sale, would he pass a medical ? Otherwise what do we actually do with him. What’s he got left in contract 2 years ? At least he only cost peanuts and we probably just about got our moneys worth. Crazy to think had we bought him about a year later he’d probably have cost £25-30m.

We need to replace both dembele and wanyama if we have any serious aspirations to be a top club simple as that. Onomah is just not good enough. Skipp won’t be PL hardened for a couple of years. We basically have winks and Dier as hopefully reliable options. And sissoko as a sort of option if he plays to his best.