Player Watch : Vincent Janssen

[ralphs bald spot]

You can have a go at Janssen for his overal output, but to say his first touch is poor or that he doesn’t help with buildup is to overlook two decent things he’s done with us.

I am scratching my head to think of these the ball bounces of the man more than he ever controlled it and I am sorry to say he had no effect on build up play but he did score against Millwall and could take a penalty but overall an awful player

 

[Jules_PF]

Janssen has been poorly treated by the club and Poch IMO.

His scoring record is at least respectable:
Almere 69 app 29 goals
AZ 34 app 27 goals
Dutch Int 17 app 7 goals

Poch obviously has no time for him, shameful. He is a £17M club asset, just turned 24, so has some room for improvement. Someone, somewhere must have seen something to prompt our purchase. Maybe it wasn't a buy Poch sanctioned? Either way not bringing him on in games we were comfortably winning (from memory Stoke + others) and giving him 10 minutes in games we were losing (Liverpool +1/2) has further diminished his confidence. Poch has at least written off £7M of value here and that's poor management IMO.

From memory when he was playing at the start of last season (Kane injured) we as a team were playing very poorly, new to league and a higher standard than he had regularly played.. Should have been cut a little slack.

 

[ChristianBaler]

Janssen has been poorly treated by the club and Poch IMO.

His scoring record is at least respectable:
Almere 69 app 29 goals
AZ 34 app 27 goals
Dutch Int 17 app 7 goals

Poch obviously has no time for him, shameful. He is a £17M club asset, just turned 24, so has some room for improvement. Someone, somewhere must have seen something to prompt our purchase. Maybe it wasn't a buy Poch sanctioned? Either way not bringing him on in games we were comfortably winning (from memory Stoke + others) and giving him 10 minutes in games we were losing (Liverpool +1/2) has further diminished his confidence. Poch has at least written off £7M of value here and that's poor management IMO.

What has he done to warrant chances when given opportunities?

How many more chances could Poch give the guy after what he's shown over the last 18 months?

His goal scoring records elsewhere are irrelevant because as past players from the Dutch league have proven they dont compare to the PL. I realize there have been players who have done well from that league, but they've been more miss than hit.

In regards to playing him with little time left in games, Poch did that prior to him leaving last season, he didnt do much.

In regards to bringing him on when were losing, again, as we saw he didnt score so were likely better off leaving our attacking players on the pitch as they're more likely to create chances an/or score.

 

[Danners9]

Janssen has been poorly treated by the club and Poch IMO.

His scoring record is at least respectable:
Almere 69 app 29 goals
AZ 34 app 27 goals
Dutch Int 17 app 7 goals

Poch obviously has no time for him, shameful. He is a £17M club asset, just turned 24, so has some room for improvement. Someone, somewhere must have seen something to prompt our purchase. Maybe it wasn't a buy Poch sanctioned? Either way not bringing him on in games we were comfortably winning (from memory Stoke + others) and giving him 10 minutes in games we were losing (Liverpool +1/2) has further diminished his confidence. Poch has at least written off £7M of value here and that's poor management IMO.

From memory when he was playing at the start of last season (Kane injured) we as a team were playing very poorly, new to league and a higher standard than he had regularly played.. Should have been cut a little slack.

Don't agree.

Here's why:
Almere is a 2nd tier side, first of all. At 18/19, it's pretty good. Especially after being released from Feyenoord.

At AZ, 20 of his goals came in the second half of the season. His first season at the top level in Holland.

His goals for the Dutch side are not bad but it is also a team that has not qualified for the last 2 major tournaments so it is fair to say the talent that had previously been in the Dutch squads isn't there anymore because before they started missing out they had finished 3rd at the WC. A lot of retirements and coaching changes, I guess, and besides England his goals have been against quite low ranking teams in friendlies and the final goal in a 4-0 and 5-1 qualifying matches.

Yes, respectable, but with caveats. To say that a man who has seen him in training every day, some matches, and presumably has spoken to him once or twice about improving, then subsequently moved him on loan for games and confidence (15 apps/4 goals in Turkey), has treated him poorly is nonsense. There have been opportunities to claim a place in the side, like with goals... remember he said players have the right to train but to play they must earn it. There's no vendetta here.

Room for improvement. Probably. And whoever looked at him for Spurs saw the goal stats and then would have seen him scoring. Not surprising they were impressed and probably figured that this might be the next big thing out of the Dutch league, when really it was a purple patch of just a few months.

He is/was a prospect and should have stayed with AZ for another season, maybe then moved back to Feyenoord or Ajax/PSV and carried on there. Instead, the move to England was a big jump that he wasn't ready for and may never have been ready for.

Spurs' approach to transfers (maybe even now..) has been to get a player on the way up, rather than buying a player already there because of the cost involved. See also the N'Jie and N'Koudou signings. 3 for 3, in a sense, eh...

If the player isn't up to it, Spurs need to move them on. As you say, it's a 17m asset sitting there doing nothing. Someone on the forum also said there were personal issues affecting him, the move away etc.. and if that's the case then it's unfortunate but he needs a change of scenery and to get back on track. It won't happen at Spurs and probably not in the Premier League if those issues aren't going to be fixed.

His time at Spurs has been similar to Postiga (imagine if he'd taken those chances at Highbury...) and Soldado, and being backup to Kane isn't going to help when Harry wants to play all the time and VJ is down on his luck. In the few games he did play for Spurs, he looked to be hiding from the ball! Instead of moving into a position for a cross or through ball, he'd tuck himself behind a defender and appear marked out of the game. He wasn't running into the 6 yard box or pulling back into space.

Hopefully the next move is better for him.

 

[wirE]

I remember Afonso Alves coming to Boro from Herenveen. He had a goal scoring record of 45 goals in 38 or so games for them. A steal for a club like Boro. 10 goals and 45 games later, game over - Qatar next

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Apparently he has been ruled out with injury until Christmas so no chance we sell him now. Feel sorry for him.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ans-striker-vincent-janssen-injury-christmas/

 

[mark87]

Bloody hell. He hasn't been playing, how has he picked up an injury? Sake.

 

[dontcallme]

Janssen has been poorly treated by the club and Poch IMO.

His scoring record is at least respectable:
Almere 69 app 29 goals
AZ 34 app 27 goals
Dutch Int 17 app 7 goals

Poch obviously has no time for him, shameful. He is a £17M club asset, just turned 24, so has some room for improvement. Someone, somewhere must have seen something to prompt our purchase. Maybe it wasn't a buy Poch sanctioned? Either way not bringing him on in games we were comfortably winning (from memory Stoke + others) and giving him 10 minutes in games we were losing (Liverpool +1/2) has further diminished his confidence. Poch has at least written off £7M of value here and that's poor management IMO.

From memory when he was playing at the start of last season (Kane injured) we as a team were playing very poorly, new to league and a higher standard than he had regularly played.. Should have been cut a little slack.

Poch’s mantra is players are paid to train.

It is their ability and performance levels, not their price, that determines who gets playing time.

For most people this is a breath of fresh air I’m a world where players get signed for marketing reasons and expensive signings make players think they are untouchable.

 

[SdB]

Janssen has been poorly treated by the club and Poch IMO.

His scoring record is at least respectable:
Almere 69 app 29 goals
AZ 34 app 27 goals
Dutch Int 17 app 7 goals

Poch obviously has no time for him, shameful. He is a £17M club asset, just turned 24, so has some room for improvement. Someone, somewhere must have seen something to prompt our purchase. Maybe it wasn't a buy Poch sanctioned? Either way not bringing him on in games we were comfortably winning (from memory Stoke + others) and giving him 10 minutes in games we were losing (Liverpool +1/2) has further diminished his confidence. Poch has at least written off £7M of value here and that's poor management IMO.

From memory when he was playing at the start of last season (Kane injured) we as a team were playing very poorly, new to league and a higher standard than he had regularly played.. Should have been cut a little slack.

You have to wonder how many of the signings since Poch has been manager he was truly 100% behind.
Get fed up with comments like "in Poch we trust" given he might not often be the one trusted with player selection.

 

[coys200]

Shambles ?

 

[wirE]

Bloody hell. He hasn't been playing, how has he picked up an injury? Sake.

I believe that he picked up his foot injury during his loan spell at Fenerbahce at the end of the season

Edit; Yeah, in February http://www.espn.co.uk/football/fene...ss-rest-of-fenerbahces-season-with-toe-injury

 

[coys200]

Ridiculous if it’s the same injury and taken till now to have an operation. He’s a constantly depreciating asset. His whole situation has been a complete mess.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Shambles ?

How is this a shambles? A player got injured FFS.

 

[coys200]

How is this a shambles? A player got injured FFS.

It’s a shambles because this injury is from last season. To me it sounds like a similar situation to Lamela. Where the club have probably said there’s no injury and you’re fine. Player has said he’s injured and can’t train, and eventually after 6 months club have caved in and given him the op. Meanwhile we are left with a player we can’t even register for PL and can’t sell now to January. I’d call that a shambles.

 

[JCRD]

There goes our title hopes

 

[nicdic]

It’s a shambles because this injury is from last season. To me it sounds like a similar situation to Lamela. Where the club have probably said there’s no injury and you’re fine. Player has said he’s injured and can’t train, and eventually after 6 months club have caved in and given him the op. Meanwhile we are left with a player we can’t even register for PL and can’t sell now to January. I’d call that a shambles.

You do realise that it's always good to avoid surgery if possible right?

 

[dtxspurs]

You do realise that it's always good to avoid surgery if possible right?

Don't know how that can be a definite statement. We've clearly had some haggling injuries because we've avoided surgeries in the past no? Surgery isn't always necessary a bad thing and can improve whatever area is damaged where it can be stronger than it was before.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

It’s a shambles because this injury is from last season. To me it sounds like a similar situation to Lamela. Where the club have probably said there’s no injury and you’re fine. Player has said he’s injured and can’t train, and eventually after 6 months club have caved in and given him the op. Meanwhile we are left with a player we can’t even register for PL and can’t sell now to January. I’d call that a shambles.

Injuries happen in football, I think calling Janssens need for toe surgery a shambles is going a little too far man.

The stadium delay &a what's happened after the announcement I get, the transfer window, I also get but toe surgery I wouldn't put in the shambles category, not by a long stretch

 

[nicdic]

Don't know how that can be a definite statement. We've clearly had some haggling injuries because we've avoided surgeries in the past no? Surgery isn't always necessary a bad thing and can improve whatever area is damaged where it can be stronger than it was before.

Ok, let me clarify. It's always better for the player, to avoid surgery. It might get them back quicker, but it's not the best thing for the player long term. I for one, am glad that the club look to avoid surgery as far as is possible, even if it means we've had players out for longer than they may otherwise have been.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

if he is not injured i would rather loaning him out and replace llorente next season. but as things stand i don't think we can recoup much from him