Player Watch : Vincent Janssen

[spurs9]

That isn't going to happen in January though, is it.

Probably not, but even so, I would rather he stays at a team where he will get game time and increase the chance of selling him in the summer.

 

[Trix]

Nah, whilst Llorente isn't the answer, neither is this guy. He is now on 3 goals in 11 games, Soldado has 3 in 10, for the same team with less starts.

It's time to bring someone new in that is versatile and offers something different that plays to our strengths.

IMO Llorente is the answer. The problem is we(the team) are asking him the wrong questions.

 

[thinktank]

Probably not, but even so, I would rather he stays at a team where he will get game time and increase the chance of selling him in the summer.

Personally, I'd much rather see Jansen come in for Kane if he gets injured between Jan and the end of the season.

Can't bear to think about it being Fernando.

Son would actually be my first choice over both, but Vince would be next in line, for me.

If we want to see our pressing style come back we have to depend on whoever is playing up top to get it going.

That is not Llorente.

At least with Vince he works his fucking bollocks off.

 

[spurs9]

IMO Llorente is the answer. The problem is we(the team) are asking him the wrong questions.

You don't change the way the team plays for 1 player, especially a 32 year old. IMO, we don't need a player that gets on the end of crosses, we need a player with good acceleration/quick turn of pace that can dart into small pockets of space, get away from their marker and that has good close control to dribble in tight spaces.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Personally, I'd much rather see Jansen come in for Kane if he gets injured between Jan and the end of the season.

Can't bear to think about it being Fernando.

Son would actually be my first choice over both, but Vince would be next in line, for me.

If we want to see our pressing style come back we have to depend on whoever is playing up top to get it going.

That is not Llorente.

At least with Vince he works his fucking bollocks off.

Son is head and shoulders best back up CF but I’d take Harrison or Sterling over Llorente or Janssen.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

IMO Llorente is the answer. The problem is we(the team) are asking him the wrong questions.

Are the wrong questions by any chance:

If we put you clean through, one on one with the keeper will you score? No

If we put the ball on a platter for you will you score or at least hit the target? No

Are the correct questions:

If we put you clean through will you forget to control the ball and waste the chance? Yes

If we serve up a nice easy tap in for you will you do your best to make an ass of it? Yes

 

[Trix]

You don't change the way the team plays for 1 player, especially a 32 year old. IMO, we don't need a player that gets on the end of crosses, we need a player with good acceleration/quick turn of pace that can dart into small pockets of space, get away from their marker and that has good close control to dribble in tight spaces.

And yet how many times have we seen in the match threads, there is no plan B. If you think Llorente is nothing more than an Andy Carroll or Duncan Fergusson you couldn't be more wrong. Yes he is very good in the air but look back at some of the goals he scored in Spain. He is far from a one trick pony.

That said when we have the likes of Trippier in the side throwing in a few crosses when he is on the pitch wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. I am not saying he should be a starter for us but against certain teams and coming from the bench a change of approach wouldn't be the worst idea. Especially when teams congest the middle and their sole intention is to stop us playing through them.

 

[Streetspur77]

It's far too simplistic to say llorente is shit. He's is obviously not shit, he's a World Cup winner. There is however a problem with being 32 and only getting minutes here and there. That's why he missed those chances, obviously he is capable but he is missing match sharpness and confidence

Also I do think his all round play has been decent and he didn't have a pre-season due injury so I'm not gonna write him off just yet because I'm not about that kneejerk life

 

[spurs9]

And yet how many times have we seen in the match threads, there is no plan B. If you think Llorente is nothing more than an Andy Carroll or Duncan Fergusson you couldn't be more wrong. Yes he is very good in the air but look back at some of the goals he scored in Spain. He is far from a one trick pony.

That said when we have the likes of Trippier in the side throwing in a few crosses when he is on the pitch wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. I am not saying he should be a starter for us but against certain teams and coming from the bench a change of approach wouldn't be the worst idea. Especially when teams congest the middle and their sole intention is to stop us playing through them.

I've got to admit, I liked the idea of a plan B of a target man with Trippier swinging crosses in, the problem is A) it's not the plan B we need, B) Aside from Trippier, we don't have that many players that can put in a good cross and C) Most of Trippiers good crosses are actually whipped in below waist height to on running players, it's not often he puts in an excellent head height cross.

Llorente is strong, holds up the ball well and is good in the box when the ball is put onto his head or feet but he isn't good at pressing, running between the lines, dribbling in crowded areas or shooting outside of the box, his movement isn't great and doesn't put the shift in we require most of the time. His strengths and weaknesses don't fit what we need from a plan B or back up striker for our team IMO.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

IMO Llorente is the answer. The problem is we(the team) are asking him the wrong questions.

Did you say elsewhere that you were pleased for Sam Allardyce that he got the Everton job, and that you would like to see what he could do, given time and money to spend?

 

[Trix]

Did you say elsewhere that you were pleased for Sam Allardyce that he got the Everton job, and that you would like to see what he could do, given time and money to spend?

Sort of. I remember the football he played at Bolton and it was far cry from what he has done since. I think Sam plays to his teams strengths, and he has never had the money to do much other than build competitive organised route one teams. I mean of course he could have built better playing sides but I doubt they would have been anywhere near as successful due to the quality issues. Lots of managers try to play good football with lesser teams and eventually it always catches up with them and turns to shit. I would like to see what sort of team he would try and build with a decent financial backing.


Not sure if you trying to put my two posts together because you are trying to equate me in someway liking route one football? If so you couldn't be more wrong.

You don't win what Llorente has won for the teams he has played in if you are nothing more than a big lump target man.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Sort of. I remember the football he played at Bolton and it was far cry from what he has done since. I think Sam plays to his teams strengths, and he has never had the money to do much other than build competitive organised route one teams. I mean of course he could have built better playing sides but I doubt they would have been anywhere near as successful due to the quality issues. Lots of managers try to play good football with lesser teams and eventually it always catches up with them and turns to shit. I would like to see what sort of team he would try and build with a decent financial backing.


Not sure if you trying to put my two posts together because you are trying to equate me in someway liking route one football? If so you couldn't be more wrong.

You don't win what Llorente has won for the teams he has played in if you are nothing more than a big lump target man.

I am not sure what type of football you like, but you have said that Llorente gives us the option of playing a different way, a direct way when we cannot play through teams, a target man. But is he, in fact, much more than that?

 

[daryl hannah]

Janssen is Fabio Borini

Llorente is a poor man's crouch

 

[archiewasking]

Sort of. I remember the football he played at Bolton and it was far cry from what he has done since. I think Sam plays to his teams strengths, and he has never had the money to do much other than build competitive organised route one teams. I mean of course he could have built better playing sides but I doubt they would have been anywhere near as successful due to the quality issues. Lots of managers try to play good football with lesser teams and eventually it always catches up with them and turns to shit. I would like to see what sort of team he would try and build with a decent financial backing.


Not sure if you trying to put my two posts together because you are trying to equate me in someway liking route one football? If so you couldn't be more wrong.

You don't win what Llorente has won for the teams he has played in if you are nothing more than a big lump target man.

If you've got great players around you, it can mask your shortcomings and make you look better than you actually are. Case in point - Benzema.

 

[archiewasking]

And VJ did do quite a few nice one twos and set ups. I would personally like to see him back here and playing as part of a 2 up top with Harry.

 

[cider spurs]

Couple of snippets...

https://turkish-football.com/totten...june-club-elections-will-determine-next-move/

https://turkish-football.com/euro-g...-out-of-favour-tottenham-striker-this-summer/

 

[cider spurs]

Seemed only fair to give him a mention whilst our injured absentees, out on loan and rarely seen are getting a contract renewal/mention these past few days.

 

[dtxspurs]

Seemed only fair to give him a mention whilst our injured absentees, out on loan and rarely seen are getting a contract renewal/mention these past few days.

Still think his journey here was weird. He looked really promising early on and I remember him looking dangerous in that game against Everton and then he just stopped being played completely and couldn't score. Not blaming Poch at all but it was just a weird season. He must have been pretty bad in training. No idea what we'd be able to get for him this summer.

 

[DCSPUR]

Justin Kleivert has one year left on his contract....straight swap with Vinnie?

 

[danielneeds]

Still think his journey here was weird. He looked really promising early on and I remember him looking dangerous in that game against Everton and then he just stopped being played completely and couldn't score. Not blaming Poch at all but it was just a weird season. He must have been pretty bad in training. No idea what we'd be able to get for him this summer.

I think the move was just a bit too soon for him. He had confidence from his good season before, but it was a brittle one, and a couple of misses and a few games without a goal and he was back to being that young lad released by Feyenord.