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coys200

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Not sure if it’s my imagination but seems to becoming more prevalent. Especially with players at top clubs in late 20s. Just seeing fellaini leaving United. I guess it’s their last chance for one big pay day.Tbh I’m surprised it hasn’t been more popular till now. But a real trend seems to be emerging. Could end up costing clubs hundreds of millions in re sale value. Even someone like fellaini would probably be £25-30m If under contract. Be interesting to see how may affect things if becomes a growing trend. No idea how clubs can get round it.
 

Lilbaz

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Not sure if it’s my imagination but seems to becoming more prevalent. Especially with players at top clubs in late 20s. Just seeing fellaini leaving United. I guess it’s their last chance for one big pay day.Tbh I’m surprised it hasn’t been more popular till now. But a real trend seems to be emerging. Could end up costing clubs hundreds of millions in re sale value. Even someone like fellaini would probably be £25-30m If under contract. Be interesting to see how may affect things if becomes a growing trend. No idea how clubs can get round it.

The way clubs get around it is by giving players longer contracts and regularly give them improved ones if they do well. If they refuse to sign sell them.
 

Shadydan

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If clubs let players run down their contracts than more fool them, it's just really bad business to let a player hold a club to ransom.
 

rocklink

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What is wrong with players running down their contracts? When a club signs a player for 5 years and if a player plays 5 years, then all the parties including player and the club fulfilled the contractual agreement. Just because it has become norm for players to move despite having longer contract, doesn't mean a player can't complete his full contract length and move on to another club for free.
 

Danners9

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It will become more common for big name players to do this as transfer fees rise.
 

HailKingLevy

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Is this not the reason why Levy always has the option to extend contracts a further year, gives us a bit of wriggle room.
 

Gbspurs

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Its probably down to the fact we have seen more clubs refusing to sell since they don't need the money. I imagine players don't like the idea of having an opportunity they wish to explore taken away from them by their clubs either. Its only a short career after all and look at what clubs like West Brom did to Berahino.
 

brendanb50

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What is wrong with players running down their contracts? When a club signs a player for 5 years and if a player plays 5 years, then all the parties including player and the club fulfilled the contractual agreement. Just because it has become norm for players to move despite having longer contract, doesn't mean a player can't complete his full contract length and move on to another club for free.

Nothing wrong with it in general - as you say, it's adhering to the terms of the deal, then walking away.

But from a club perspective it's atrocious business when it's a big name. Take Sanchez for example - easily better than Coutinho, who's just moved for £142m (£106m with add ons) and he's potentially leaving for a token £20m (plus add ons i presume) because his deal is up.

So Arsenal stand to lose £120m minimum in cash, because they didn't sort the guy's deal out or sell when he began stalling. Very very funny but also very very poor business.
 

Shadydan

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Nothing wrong with it in general - as you say, it's adhering to the terms of the deal, then walking away.

But from a club perspective it's atrocious business when it's a big name. Take Sanchez for example - easily better than Coutinho, who's just moved for £142m (£106m with add ons) and he's potentially leaving for a token £20m (plus add ons i presume) because his deal is up.

So Arsenal stand to lose £120m minimum in cash, because they didn't sort the guy's deal out or sell when he began stalling. Very very funny but also very very poor business.

Sanchez wouldn't have cost that much but I get your point.
 

Gassin's finest

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Nothing wrong with it in general - as you say, it's adhering to the terms of the deal, then walking away.

But from a club perspective it's atrocious business when it's a big name. Take Sanchez for example - easily better than Coutinho, who's just moved for £142m (£106m with add ons) and he's potentially leaving for a token £20m (plus add ons i presume) because his deal is up.

So Arsenal stand to lose £120m minimum in cash, because they didn't sort the guy's deal out or sell when he began stalling. Very very funny but also very very poor business.
But they got some trophies and good league positions out of him. That's what they invested in him for and he delivered. And he didn't cost that much so they can't lose that amount at all.
 

Shadydan

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But they got some trophies and good league positions out of him. That's what they invested in him for and he delivered. And he didn't cost that much so they can't lose that amount at all.

They've also got a load of general uncertainty in regards to his future, half assed performances in the last year or so, dressing room unrest. They've wasted time in securing a player to replace him and will seemingly waste a lot of money to replace him. They've had him for 3 and half seasons, he's probably only really delivered for 2, that's not a fantastic return for someone who could on a free in the summer.
 

sebo_sek

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This is precisely why we do or business the way we do. Because DL is a BUSINESSMAN and not a sugar daddy, he knows how to fucking count!
I hope players do this more and more often. They can count too BTW
 

stevenurse

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In the future it wouldn't surprise me to see players realise they are the ones with the power and almost work as contractors for the highest bidder with transfer fees mostly redundant. Isn't that the way the NFL works (in a round about way, minus the draft etc).

If a player can earn £30m for a signing on fee then why earn a third of that and the majority going to the selling club?
 

Thewobbler

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Why let the market dictate where you go. May as well run down your contract and have your pick. Levy would never let a sanchez or ozil situation happen and thats the very reason why I think he will try and sell toby in the summer before his release clause allows him to leave for peanuts.
 

chinaman

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Well, it's really a reversal of roles. Back in the days of the maximum wage, and even when it was first lifted, clubs used to enslave the players. Now it's the players who have the power.
 

sly1

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With the way things are going, I can imagine in the near future the top players (Messi, Ronaldo, Lewandowski etc.) all being on one or two year contracts for huge amounts of money. It makes sense for the players (in that they can constantly look for the best deal) and, to some extent, the clubs (because they won't have to pay huge £100m+ fees for players who will have the ends of their contracts in sight in two or three years).

I would imagine that your bog standard journeyman player will still push for fairly long contracts in order to get a guaranteed income for a large part of their short careers.
 

WalkerboyUK

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Could be that some of these players simply don't get along with their managers and vice versa.
Manager turnover at a lot of clubs these days is incredibly high and, other than at Arsenal, there can't be many players anywhere who still have the manager who signed them 4/5 years later.
Let the contract run down and then go where you want, rather than where your club chooses to sell you to.
 

WalkerboyUK

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Nothing wrong with it in general - as you say, it's adhering to the terms of the deal, then walking away.

But from a club perspective it's atrocious business when it's a big name. Take Sanchez for example - easily better than Coutinho, who's just moved for £142m (£106m with add ons) and he's potentially leaving for a token £20m (plus add ons i presume) because his deal is up.

So Arsenal stand to lose £120m minimum in cash, because they didn't sort the guy's deal out or sell when he began stalling. Very very funny but also very very poor business.

Arsenal could have tied Sanchez to a new 5 year deal then sold him a year later, but chances are that they would also have had to pay Sanchez a hefty loyalty bonus.
I suspect Liverpool have paid a decent chunk to Coutinho as well as I don't believe there were any reports of an official transfer request.

Letting a player run his contract down may lose you some income in terms of the fee, but it also gets you out of that bonus payment.
 
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