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Lighty64

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And that's where we fundamentally disagree. There is a difference between being involved in a discussion and answering a question you know will make headlines. Poch should have kept his mouth shut and concentrated on answering questions about the upcoming match. Off the record he can discuss what the hell he likes.

but he was asked the question because there is a belief it can effect football, all he did was answer it the way you would answer something if asked and had a opinion about it.
 

Colonel_Klinck

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So ridiculous when people say celebs act can't have an opinion on any subject. Gary Lineker gets so much stick for his views on Brexit. "Stick to football". Yeah like the guy typing it should stick to commenting on brick laying or selling mortgages ffs. Tell him that and see how he bites. Gary or any other celeb type live here, have children here and so have a vested interest in what happens here. Poch has kids, he might live in the country for the next 20 years, his kids will grow up here. He also works with kids everyday who's options to play football in the EU will go from simply signing for a club to having to get a work visa. The whole situation is so fucked as to be a joke, a very bad joke.
 

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but he was asked the question because there is a belief it can effect football, all he did was answer it the way you would answer something if asked and had a opinion about it.

Shame he didn't actually answer the part that was bolded. The correct answer, of course, would be it won't affect football much at all. If at all. Brexiteers and Remainers both blithely ignore the facts when talking about immigration and that is most immigrations come from outside the EU and that immigration was high before the EU and will continue to be so long after the EU collapses.
 

Sevens

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So ridiculous when people say celebs act can't have an opinion on any subject. Gary Lineker gets so much stick for his views on Brexit. "Stick to football". Yeah like the guy typing it should stick to commenting on brick laying or selling mortgages ffs. Tell him that and see how he bites. Gary or any other celeb type live here, have children here and so have a vested interest in what happens here. Poch has kids, he might live in the country for the next 20 years, his kids will grow up here. He also works with kids everyday who's options to play football in the EU will go from simply signing for a club to having to get a work visa. The whole situation is so fucked as to be a joke, a very bad joke.

No one said he can't have an opinion. No one said he can't discuss that opinion. My point is that very few people SHOULD have the right to talk about subjects publicly. That goes for most journalists who know sweet fuck all on most topics too and yet can write columns on whatever the hell they feel like. As the old saying goes "The more I learn about a specific subject, the more I realise how little the press know about it".
 

danielneeds

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Not at all. As for his absolute bollocks about consequences, no one knows. No one knows what will happen if we stay in the EU. No one knows what will happen if we leave the EU. Economists are about as good as predicting the economy in six months time as weatherman are at predicting the weather. We may as well all never do anything again if we have to wait around to know.

I'm more interested in hearing his logic as to why his in game management is so piss poor, why he feels he isn't learning any lessons from his previous mistakes and why he seems so married to the idea that most subs can't take place before the 70 minute mark. But I guess his views on Brexit are more important as he is so knowledgeable on the subject.
Are you sure about that? I think you'll find the City does ever so all right betting on the future. But then when the view of experts in their field don't fit in with a crazy world view, it's every so easy in these days of lunacy to just dismiss them.
 

bc205

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The correct answer, of course, would be it won't affect football much at all.

Except we know that brexit already has affected football. It has added significant costs to any infrastructure building in the UK, as with our stadium, and its affect on the pound has made transfers more expensive for UK clubs. There are other negative implications as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/45206066
 

Sevens

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Are you sure about that? I think you'll find the City does ever so all right betting on the future. But then when the view of experts in their field don't fit in with a crazy world view, it's every so easy in these days of lunacy to just dismiss them.

Very sure. They did a splendid job betting on MBS a decade ago. And it's happening again now and all the warning signs are there now. That said, the city isn't really made of economists. I've worked on two trade floors and most of the traders couldn't give a rats arse about the wider economy.
 

Sevens

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Except we know that brexit already has affected football. It has added significant costs to any infrastructure building in the UK, as with our stadium, and its affect on the pound has made transfers more expensive for UK clubs. There are other negative implications as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/45206066

That's the wider economy. The cheaper pound has also means that the Premier League earns more £££ and clubs selling players abroad also earn more £££ etc. The BoE had been, unsuccessfully, trying to devalue sterling for years.
 

bc205

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That's the wider economy. The cheaper pound has also means that the Premier League earns more £££ and clubs selling players abroad also earn more £££ etc. The BoE had been, unsuccessfully, trying to devalue sterling for years.

So you acknowledge then that brexit clearly does have an affect on football, both directly and through the wider economy?
 

Sevens

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So you acknowledge then that brexit clearly does have an affect on football, both directly and through the wider economy?

I acknowledge it, yes. Everything has an affect on everything else. There's no getting away from that.
 

Tucker

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No one said he can't have an opinion. No one said he can't discuss that opinion. My point is that very few people SHOULD have the right to talk about subjects publicly. That goes for most journalists who know sweet fuck all on most topics too and yet can write columns on whatever the hell they feel like. As the old saying goes "The more I learn about a specific subject, the more I realise how little the press know about it".

So you’re advocating the end of free speech then, essentially.

Also, what qualifies you to question Pochettino’s tactics? How many premier league clubs have you managed? If the answer is none, by your rules you should keep your gob shut about it ;)
 

bc205

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I acknowledge it, yes. Everything has an affect on everything else. There's no getting away from that.

Ok. So your point earlier was wrong then. And why isn't Poch allowed to comment on an issue which will have an affect on his job and his employer? Brexit costs on the stadium have lost the club millions of pounds, which he then can't spend on players. The idea that he is not allowed to give a public opinion on that is nonsense.
 

Sevens

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So you’re advocating the end of free speech then, essentially.

Also, what qualifies you to question Pochettino’s tactics? How many premier league clubs have you managed? If the answer is none, by your rules you should keep your gob shut about it ;)

More advocating the end of free preach :) I have no problem with anyone airing their opinions where they can be directly challenged on them. E.g. although I roll my eyes when celebrities appear on something like QT, at least they get held accountable when challenged on their views so you can see if they are full of shit and on some kind of crusading bandwagon or whether they genuinely know their stuff.
 

Sevens

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Ok. So your point earlier was wrong then. And why isn't Poch allowed to comment on an issue which will have an affect on his job and his employer? Brexit costs on the stadium have lost the club millions of pounds, which he then can't spend on players. The idea that he is not allowed to give a public opinion on that is nonsense.

He is allowed to comment on something direct like that. But that's not what he said is it? He didn't say "our analysts have concluded that the fall of sterling has added £x to our build costs and we believe the fall in sterling is in direct correlation to the Brexit vote. In the short this has cost me transfer funds.". He gave a wider preachy view, backed it up with a bullshit analogy.
 

Tucker

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More advocating the end of free preach :) I have no problem with anyone airing their opinions where they can be directly challenged on them. E.g. although I roll my eyes when celebrities appear on something like QT, at least they get held accountable when challenged on their views so you can see if they are full of shit and on some kind of crusading bandwagon or whether they genuinely know their stuff.

Where has Poch preached? He answered a question, honestly. It’s not as if he got on his high horse and told everyone to change their minds.

I’d wager, the only reason you’re pissed off is because his opinions don’t line up with yours. Too bad. It’s a free country. He’s not said anything that millions of other people don’t think and say every day. He’s not saying anything controversial or offensive.

I mean, what’s the problem? Are you worried he’ll change some peoples minds? Is the mandate for Brexit that fragile, that a football manager might swing the balance?
 

bc205

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He is allowed to comment on something direct like that. But that's not what he said is it? He didn't say "our analysts have concluded that the fall of sterling has added £x to our build costs and we believe the fall in sterling is in direct correlation to the Brexit vote. In the short this has cost me transfer funds.". He gave a wider preachy view, backed it up with a bullshit analogy.

Where in his comments was he preaching?
 

Colonel_Klinck

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No one said he can't have an opinion. No one said he can't discuss that opinion. My point is that very few people SHOULD have the right to talk about subjects publicly. That goes for most journalists who know sweet fuck all on most topics too and yet can write columns on whatever the hell they feel like. As the old saying goes "The more I learn about a specific subject, the more I realise how little the press know about it".

Wow what a world we'd live in with you in charge. Only the selected few can voice their opinion to anyone other than themselves. What criteria does someone have to meet to voice their opinion in public then? I'm guessing they tow your line or they can shut the fuck up.
 

walworthyid

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I do love it when a celebrities try to influence the masses. They are always so much more knowledgeable and deserving to preach the masses than us uneducated peasants. I'd love to hear his thoughts on the Falklands and the right to self determination......
I love it when politicians try to influence the masses by telling lies about how great Britain would be wandering about in a post brexit wilderness!

Us uneducated peasants are so knowledgeable that we actually believe them.
 

allatsea

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Stick to managing the team and looking for and signing the players you needed in the summer ffs Poch.
No need to make any comment on this. I suspect he knows very little about it anyway.

I bet he knows more than 99% of those who voted for Brexit.
 

Gassin's finest

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What utter garbage I am reading.

He was asked about Brexit... If anything he dodged the question by simply saying he thinks these things should be handled by a parliament, and not put to a referendum in the first place, and that the people put in charge of such things should take responsibility.

And he's completely right.
 
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