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Pochettino 'angry and frustrated' after Spurs draw with Besiktas

Barry Mead

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The changing for league games and midweek games I totally understand and agree with. I dont agree we need to be concerned yet so your implications about Sundays 'critical game' I dont agree with. As you say its early days and he HAS to have time. I hope and beleive he is here for the long haul.

My concern is that if the press are waiting on this game to come out with whatever the appropriate story is.
Now if saints win there will be a number of articles about how they got the better deal losing Poch and getting Koeman, they will look at results and performances and the fact that some of their supposed best players all left and Poch will get all the flack. If that is the case following on from what for the most part has been some pretty poor performances and at best mixed results then like sharks sensing blood in the water there could be a frenzy. You know what the sports press are like. Poch hasn't had any real bad press since arriving in the country and even in Spain though Espanyol were struggling badly when he left few really expect too much from Espanyol so allowing for his early comparative success he didn't suffer too badly in Spain.
He's pretty inexperienced and he'd need to be a pretty strong character to cope with the constant sniping, hard enough when you have a good understanding of how they can be and a strong ability in the language, harder when it comes as a new thing and when you might struggle at times to respond to the criticisms
Levy won't sack him if he loses the next couple of PL games, that's not the critical issue, but the press could be a real pain in the arse to him and how that affects him might be
 

Chedozie

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Here we go again. I really sense a groundswell of anti-Pochetto feeling on this report....and the guy's only been here since the summer!
Last night our team didn't play particularily well but they didn't play too bad either. Their team was a good, slick outfit last night, and if Pochetto had pulled Chiriches early on we would have won it.
We are not scoring many goals, (and thank the Lord that Kane is having a purple patch) but everyone knows we should have bought a striker in the window; obviosly Pochetto wanted to bring one in but Management decided otherwise.
I agree he should have taken Chiriches off, but the game was what it was: an early Euro Cup game where Spurs should still qualify. What other games can he find out what certain players can do? As it stands, winning Prem. games is still our priority because we are still not out of the hunt.


This is a season for Poch to sort the playing staffing implement his style on what will become his team, that takes a season, not a couple of months.

It's clear what happened with Chiriches, Poch doesn't rate him, but no one bought him and Levy wants his money back on him.

If you banish him to the reserves, he'll be forgotten and we'll never get a penny for him, so you play him in games we should win, hopefully he'll find some form and we can sell him.
 

Chedozie

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Who? Kevin Scott? I seem to recall he made quite a few bloopers, maybe not as many in his career as Vlad managed in last nights game but still quite a lot

I watched him, (Scott)he was the worst central defender I've seen in a Spurs shirt. Imagine slower than Calderwood, the skill of Freund with the game awareness of Dozell.
 

Spurs1960

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This is a season for Poch to sort the playing staffing implement his style on what will become his team, that takes a season, not a couple of months.

It's clear what happened with Chiriches, Poch doesn't rate him, but no one bought him and Levy wants his money back on him.

If you banish him to the reserves, he'll be forgotten and we'll never get a penny for him, so you play him in games we should win, hopefully he'll find some form and we can sell him.

We did against WBA.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Its pretty clear from other posts that you are not a fan of MoPo and you think there is a sliver bullet answer to the problems. It maybe getting rid of ENIC/Levy Hire (yet another) new manager, ask opposition to roll over because we are THFC or any other unreasonable change

Face the fact that we have sold our best players and not because we wanted to but they wanted to go That at the moment we donot have an outstanding game changing player And that teams think were are vulnerable so are giving it a real go against us

I thought Bestikas were a decent side and we played our 2nd string how were not disgraced Result against L'Arse last weekend is better than we have managed for some time at the Emirates and I didnt personally think we handled them badly.

In fact MoPo inherited most of the players and he is trying to mold them into something Something that takes time

Dont say I want my Spurs back or it was better under Redknapp. Spurs have been off the pace for years. And I know it was different for Redknapp; he had better players ( yet we still lost by a country mile at the Emirates.

Yeah I want it to be better but it wont happen until players get up to speed with whats going on But the support could be better

I said before we appointed him that I personally thought Southampton were over rated. I also said he just carried on what Adkins had done. I also said that because they were so over rated that their players were being hugely over valued. My Liverpool mates have been slagging Lovren and Lallana right off recently.
They lost their manager and 6 of their best players and look at them.
They look considerably better than last season! Do they spend all their time sitting back waiting for a counter attack only to pass the ball sideways 6 times then lose it?

I have no faith we'll get any better. In fact I'm pretty certain Lloris and Jan will be off. Eriksen and Lamela likely.
We had the last two summer Windows to really press on but levy has Fucked up.
He replaced a world class star for a bunch of fuck ups and one dourly boring coach for another.

At least that fuck tard Tim got us winning and scoring even if he was a prat.
 

Spurs1960

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Exactly, a game we should win.

And a game in which he was awful, devaluing himself further. he should not get near a team at centre-back, he has been a liability from the day he arrived, whoever scouted him needs to find a new job.
 

Spurs1960

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I said before we appointed him that I personally thought Southampton were over rated. I also said he just carried on what Adkins had done. I also said that because they were so over rated that their players were being hugely over valued. My Liverpool mates have been slagging Lovren and Lallana right off recently.
They lost their manager and 6 of their best players and look at them.
They look considerably better than last season! Do they spend all their time sitting back waiting for a counter attack only to pass the ball sideways 6 times then lose it?

I have no faith we'll get any better. In fact I'm pretty certain Lloris and Jan will be off. Eriksen and Lamela likely.
We had the last two summer Windows to really press on but levy has Fucked up.
He replaced a world class star for a bunch of fuck ups and one dourly boring coach for another.

At least that fuck tard Tim got us winning and scoring even if he was a prat.

Ever occurred it might be the players who are wronguns just like Tim said.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Ever occurred it might be the players who are wronguns just like Tim said.
Yeah. Totally. And Poch was there all summer and did fuck all about it.
I'd have been telling 2/3's of them to find another club but he seems to have decided to keep them and use them.
Every time I see Townsend on the pitch I see the figure of £12,000,000 diminishing. I think it was down to about £4.72 last night.
 

Chedozie

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And a game in which he was awful, devaluing himself further. he should not get near a team at centre-back, he has been a liability from the day he arrived, whoever scouted him needs to find a new job.

The sooner he's gone the better. I'm assuming he was an AVB buy.
 

UbeAstard

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Yeah. Totally. And Poch was there all summer and did fuck all about it.
I'd have been telling 2/3's of them to find another club but he seems to have decided to keep them and use them.
Every time I see Townsend on the pitch I see the figure of £12,000,000 diminishing. I think it was down to about £4.72 last night.


Why would he, has has an 'unbelievable squad'. ;)
 

Barry Mead

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I watched him, (Scott)he was the worst central defender I've seen in a Spurs shirt. Imagine slower than Calderwood, the skill of Freund with the game awareness of Dozell.

Oh I saw him so I know what he was like, apparently the passport office nicked him for lying on his application, under occupation he had written footballer
 

eddiebailey

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its a fair comparison though, IMO. I thought we'd moved up in the world but that performance was like a flash-back to a pretty bleak period from the past. Mitchell Thomas, Chris Fairclough, Stuart Nethercott...it was that kind of level though even more frustrating as Vlad clearly has ability, the others were just shit players..

From day one Chiriches has reminded me of our Beckenbaur of the Balkans, Goran Bunjecevic.
 

eddiebailey

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Yeah. Totally. And Poch was there all summer and did fuck all about it.
I'd have been telling 2/3's of them to find another club but he seems to have decided to keep them and use them.

Whether you like him or not, this season was a write off from the moment Tim was sacked. The squad needed reshaping and no way was a new manager who hadn't had time to get his feet under the table going to be able to identify all the problems and then get his way with Levy in order to have them fixed.

Hopefully we will see what Poch is made of next season, but this season forget it.
 

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Every player can have a mare of a game and constantly make errors, like Chiriches last night. Yes he did some good things as well but the error at the end was really costly.

That was bad enough but for him then to be caught on camera joking with the opposition whilst waiting for the pen to be taken is down right unprofessional and demeaning of our club. HE cost us 2 points last night and, with that attitude, should no longer be part of the playing squad. IMO he's a disgrace to our team and our club.
 

slartibartfast

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As far as I can see so far the only difference between what AVB served up and what Poch has got us playing is that the cbs dont push so far up that the opp just pump a long ball over the top and we no longer see Lloris sweeping up, which is a good thing.
Seems to me the back 4 just do not give the ball to midfield unless all 4 of them have kicked it twice. Its far to slow.
2nd half was better and the subs did speed things up but why he didn't sub chiriches after 10min when it was obvious he'd only get worse is beyond me.
Got another smack in the head and doesn't yet seem to be over the last one yet.
The fact it was our b team is irrelevant. Its the way we are being set up and sent out to play. Southend would have put up a more attacking performance but surely we aren't suggesting our players are worse than them?
Lets see what happens this weekend.
I understand theres a England game coming up, we've just played Europa game so we should be due a thumping and 2 weeks of misery to dwell on it :cry:
Edit- God Im a little ray of sunshine lately lol.
 
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