Pochettino halts Tottenham search for head of recruitment

[Bus-Conductor]

You have a BC idea, borne out of what you want to believe rather than what you should. For the life of me I can't see how it's ok to believe that there were load of add ons to the Soldado transfer but we just handed Newcastle £30m without any for Sissoko.

Honestly bear, I don't want to believe we bought Sissoko at any price and wage.

Regardless of how accurate or off the mark I am with regards to Sissoko or Soldado, there was at least some logic in the Soldado purchase. He just didn't score goals when he got here. But even if you want to believe we aid 26m up front for him, that was the going rate for one of Europe's top experienced regular goal scorers.

Sissoko has never been good enough to be remotely near the level of a CL club. And this is not hindsight.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Honestly bear, I don't want to believe we bought Sissoko at any price and wage.

Regardless of how accurate or off the mark I am with regards to Sissoko or Soldado, there was at least some logic in the Soldado purchase. He just didn't score goals when he got here. But even if you want to believe we aid 26m up front for him, that was the going rate for one of Europe's top experienced regular goal scorers.

Sissoko has never been good enough to be remotely near the level of a CL club. And this is not hindsight.

I get all that, and the last sentence is what I mean, leave the money out of it and talk about the quality (or lack of) of the signing. The money is irrelevant as none of us know the whys and wherefores.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I get all that, and the last sentence is what I mean, leave the money out of it and talk about the quality (or lack of) of the signing. The money is irrelevant as none of us know the whys and wherefores.

It's not like we are plucking numbers out of thin air though on this. The figures have been widely reported. And you can't ignore the money aspect when it's such a huge part of success and failure of football clubs/businesses.

Clubs with bigger net spend than us have been relegated. It wasn't so long ago that Villa had a bigger wage bill than us.

Outside of half a dozen uber clubs, the rest of us pretty much live or die by the transfer business we do.

 

[SUIYHA]

The DoF structure has served us well in the past...when there is a good manager in place to present a vision of what he wants that is realistic. Santini kicked off because Arnesen signed him Carrick instead of Jan Koller (a decision which proved correct but at the expense of losing the manager). Comolli signed a lot of very good players for us, but a lot of them were young, up and coming players who weren't ready for the first team and by ignoring our current weaknesses then Jol lost his job. AVB seemed to be under the impression that his DoF would deliver him Ronaldo and Messi so clearly he wasn't going to be satisfied with what Baldini delivered. And on the subject of Baldini, he has a terrible reputation here but people forget that he signed Eriksen, Dier, Alli, Alderweireld and Son as well as plenty of other competent squad players over a two year period - I expect we'd have been a lot worse off if we'd tried doing things without a DoF over that period.

Identification of good players is only one part of it all. In the modern day it's very unlikely that anyone will be signing a half-decent player without every manager in the league knowing who they are. Unless you're Real/Barca/Bayern then you need to sell the dream to your targets and their agents. Someone to "close the deal", so to speak. With the training and day to day management that Poch will have to do, flying around the world to scout, meet with agents etc is going to be difficult, so having a DoF to spread the workload is sensible.

I do certainly see the benefit of a DoF system. However there has to be one key caveat. He reports directly to Poch, not Levy. Even if Levy may find him and recommend the man, Poch gets the final say, and Poch has the authority to fire him if he's not delivering or if he feels their relationship isn't working out.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

It's not like we are plucking numbers out of thin air though on this. The figures have been widely reported. And you can't ignore the money aspect when it's such a huge part of success and failure of football clubs/businesses.

Clubs with bigger net spend than us have been relegated. It wasn't so long ago that Villa had a bigger wage bill than us.

Outside of half a dozen uber clubs, the rest of us pretty much live or die by the transfer business we do.

You can ignore the money part of it when you don't know the actual story, saying we wasted money on Sissoko's transfer/wages which we could have spent on someone else (or has restricted our transfer business) is nothing more than guesswork on your behalf. Sissoko has been a disappointing signing whether he cost £5m or £30m due to the nature of what he brings to the team, you don't need to make something up to prove a point which is exactly what you are doing without any proof.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You can ignore the money part of it when you don't know the actual story, saying we wasted money on Sissoko's transfer/wages which we could have spent on someone else (or has restricted our transfer business) is nothing more than guesswork on your behalf. Sissoko has been a disappointing signing whether he cost £5m or £30m due to the nature of what he brings to the team, you don't need to make something up to prove a point which is exactly what you are doing without any proof.

Oh blow it out your arse Bear. The 30m is common knowledge. Even if his reported 90k per week is exaggerated it's not going to be less than 60-70k and we know his contract is 5 years. I'm not going to be wildly off the mark here. Save your outrage.

His signing is disappointing regardless of the money involved, but when factoring in the money involved it becomes much more than disappointing. It's 20-25% of our annual turnover and more than our annual profit most years.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Oh blow it out your arse Bear. The 30m is common knowledge. Even if his reported 90k per week is exaggerated it's not going to be less than 60-70k and we know his contract is 5 years. I'm not going to be wildly off the mark here. Save your outrage.

His signing is disappointing regardless of the money involved, but when factoring in the money involved it becomes much more than disappointing. It's 20-25% of our annual turnover and more than our annual profit most years.

Don’t get aggressive mate, just keep guessing to make your point.

 

[scat1620]

Don’t get aggressive mate, just keep guessing to make your point.

Do we know how much Neymar cost PSG to buy? We, Joe Public, haven't seen the contract so how can we know that his transfer fee was indeed a world record?

 

[dontcallme]

So because we don’t know the exact details of transfer fees and wages we can’t discuss finances?

This place gets really fucking weird sometimes.

 

[Donki]

Oh blow it out your arse Bear. The 30m is common knowledge. Even if his reported 90k per week is exaggerated it's not going to be less than 60-70k and we know his contract is 5 years. I'm not going to be wildly off the mark here. Save your outrage.

His signing is disappointing regardless of the money involved, but when factoring in the money involved it becomes much more than disappointing. It's 20-25% of our annual turnover and more than our annual profit most years.

I dunno why BC but this made me laugh a lot...

 

[Johnny J]

You can ignore the money part of it when you don't know the actual story, saying we wasted money on Sissoko's transfer/wages which we could have spent on someone else (or has restricted our transfer business) is nothing more than guesswork on your behalf. Sissoko has been a disappointing signing whether he cost £5m or £30m due to the nature of what he brings to the team, you don't need to make something up to prove a point which is exactly what you are doing without any proof.

I think your posts are generally on point, but with this one you're being a little obtuse. It's common knowledge that Sissoko cost around £30m, regardless of how the deal is structured. Its not like we have no idea about the fee; these days transfers are often for an "undisclosed amount" but the big media outlets often report on the rough amount. And we as fans discuss it, and - quite legitimately - take it onto account when doing a layman's cost/benefit analysis of a given player.

Even if Sissoko cost £15m, that would still have been overpriced in my opinion, because the guy is an awful footballer, again in my opinion. Before everyone piles on me, I will say that regardless of the above I support all of our players and cheer them on, because anyone who puts on our shirt deserves that.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I think your posts are generally on point, but with this one you're being a little obtuse. It's common knowledge that Sissoko cost around £30m, regardless of how the deal is structured. Its not like we have no idea about the fee; these days transfers are often for an "undisclosed amount" but the big media outlets often report on the rough amount. And we as fans discuss it, and - quite legitimately - take it onto account when doing a layman's cost/benefit analysis of a given player.

Even if Sissoko cost £15m, that would still have been overpriced in my opinion, because the guy is an awful footballer, again in my opinion. Before everyone piles on me, I will say that regardless of the above I support all of our players and cheer them on, because anyone who puts on our shirt deserves that.

Your second paragraph is exactly the point I am making. Cant see why this is difficult to grasp (apart from in BC's case because he is choosing not to), Sissoko isn't really a player we needed to sign to take us forward due to his qualities, there's no point banging a drum about how much we've got tied up in the deal to try and reinforce a point when it's complete guesswork.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

So because we don’t know the exact details of transfer fees and wages we can’t discuss finances?

This place gets really fucking weird sometimes.

No. See above.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Do we know how much Neymar cost PSG to buy? We, Joe Public, haven't seen the contract so how can we know that his transfer fee was indeed a world record?

See above, above.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Your second paragraph is exactly the point I am making. Cant see why this is difficult to grasp (apart from in BC's case because he is choosing not to), Sissoko isn't really a player we needed to sign to take us forward due to his qualities, there's no point banging a drum about how much we've got tied up in the deal to try and reinforce a point when it's complete guesswork.

But it’s not complete guesswork. Far from it.

It’s you who is being obtuse and refusing to acknowledge a reasonable point.

 

[Donki]

Id say our recruitment is better than most teams tbf, I really don't see what the whole argument is about in here.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

But it’s not complete guesswork. Far from it.

It’s you who is being obtuse and refusing to acknowledge a reasonable point.

Ok chief. Guess we'll have to hope not to revisit this when we sell Sissoko.

 

[mattyspurs]

Id say our recruitment is better than most teams tbf, I really don't see what the whole argument is about in here.

It's not really an argument. It's just BC and Bear doing their best Oliver Reed and Alan Bates impression.

Theres one for the yoof on here

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Id say our recruitment is better than most teams tbf, I really don't see what the whole argument is about in here.

I agree, I have always said, generally speaking, we are amongst the best in the PL at the recruitment game, and that is one of the main factors that has made us the club we are now. But our whole recruitment ethos was initiated by Levy adopting a more continental approach, bringing in Arnesen and moving toward a more medium/long term strategy, and one with inherent value (financial but you could also say footballing) at it's core.

What this latest move suggests is - or the article does at any rate - is Pochettino being given more power in the process. Which I think, even with a coach as good as Pochetino, is a dangerous step. At best you end up with a Wenger type scenario at worst you can end paying 55m (plus circa another 45-50m in wages) for players like Sissoko* and Aurier, who you really didn't need at all.



* Bear caveat. Yes, I am only going on the ITK that Sissoko was "very much a Poch signing".

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Ok chief. Guess we'll have to hope not to revisit this when we sell Sissoko.

Is there a Chinese oligarch coked up enough to pay anywhere near enough for it to be a conversation worth revisiting?