Pochettino halts Tottenham search for head of recruitment

[Mullers]

I think it is Pochs choice and good for him wanting to take ownership of picking who joins his squad. I would give him whatever he wants because we should hang on to this chap, he’s awesome.

Madrid/Barcelona/PSG can all do one.

I just hope some of our less successful signings were all down to Mitchelland we sign the next 3 Dele Alli types with him calling the shots...

It wasn't, Poch has the final say on all deals, I love Poch but he must be held partly responsible, people can't just blame BaldinI and Mitchell for bad signings then give Poch all the credit for good signings.

 

[Armstrong_11]

Agreed, because Janssen and Llorente were awesome signings and consistently got the ball across the line ..............

Oh..................

I actually enjoyed Baldini... love the way he was able to close deals and now drag a transfer out for months.

 

[dontcallme]

I think the issue is with how much authority you give people.

If we hire a DOF and he is in constant contact with Poch and Poch can veto any deal then a DOF will be giving Poch more time with the team.

If the DOF has the authority to just go ahead with signings then there is a problem.

 

[worcestersauce]

£30m on Sissoko. 25m on Aurier. 25m on Moura. 40m on Sanchez. 12m Nkoudou. 10m Njie. 13m Llorente. 18m on Janssen.

173m and we've got one real first team regular. Youth integration has diminished. I accept that not all of those transfers, on a stand alone basis, are bad business, but that's hardly a structure working brilliantly.

And it's not a DOF, it's a head of recruitment that has been been scuppered. Slightly different.

In terms of coaching, I have immense trust in Pochettino, love his oeuvre, but his recruitment - even going back over previous clubs - is much less trustworthy. I'm all for him having a major input, in the transfer committee, but a good head of recruitment can be worth his weight in gold in this bananas market.

Only one? I'd have thought by any measurement Sissoko, Aurier and Sanchez are first team regulars and we only bought Moura a month ago.

 

[cider spurs]

Pochettino halts Tottenham search for head of recruitment

Citing instead the wealth of expert knowledge to be found at his fingertips within the pages of the 'Summer transfer wish list'.

 

[riggi]

Anyone who’s won as many trophies as Poch deserves complete control in my book too!

How to get negs on here. Love it.

 

[Deleted member 25918]

Anyone who’s won as many trophies as Poch deserves complete control in my book too!

Are you a time traveller posting from the future?

 

[Flashspur]

I don’t think we want a Billy Big Boots fucking this dynamic up at Spurs in the DOF position. I prefer Poch to have control. Perhaps get a Baldini type to close deals and that’s all.

 

[cider spurs]

Let's not rock da boat. Chill, everyting be cool Winstan.

 

[dontcallme]

I don’t think we want a Billy Big Boots fucking this dynamic up at Spurs in the DOF position. I prefer Poch to have control. Perhaps get a Baldini type to close deals and that’s all.

Think it’s more a question of the best way to set up our scouting.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

It wasn't, Poch has the final say on all deals, I love Poch but he must be held partly responsible, people can't just blame BaldinI and Mitchell for bad signings then give Poch all the credit for good signings.

If you add the two French players to Janssen and the Llorente transfers then that's a disaster of a quartet. Big waste of money.

 

[Roberts84]

Just bring back Pleat





Joke

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

The present structure is working brilliant. No need for DoF.

I would think our current set up would be more harmonious. Many championed Hitchens arrival / return and if between him, Mcdermott and others are doing the donkey work of finding targets to discuss, and finessing agents etc, then a DOF could certainly put a spanner in the works. I don't think that seat at the table is warranted.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Just bring back Pleat





Joke

still around though not officially isn't he? People spoke about him and the Dele deal?

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Just bring back Pleat





Joke

still around though not officially isn't he? People spoke about him and the Dele deal?

I was just about to say he's never gone away. You got there first, and you're right.

 

[mpickard2087]

I've said it before, may as well again, but I don't really agree with Poch/the First Team Coach getting too much power. Most will disagree or just stop reading now, but I don't think that is conducive to long term stability for the club. What happens when he leaves and the next guy comes in, do we then change again and get his ideas?

For me a club should have it's own ideas about how it wants to operate (playing style, shape/formation for this, transfer & youth policy etc) and have a structure in place to achieve this. The manager is appointed with a reflection of that, but he should be there to coach and put all his focus on the first team rather than getting influence over other areas of the football operation and the danger of massive changes with each managerial change.

DOF's in this country have a bad name, and only thought of really in terms of transfers, but I'd honestly be all for some wide-ranging Technical Director role who's job it would be to basically oversee and maximise the million small things that run the club - the scouting networks (which tbh at face value seem to be in a constant state of flux and chop and change), the medical/sports science stuff, oversees what the academy is doing, makes sure the clubs aims and philosophies are being adhered to, and yes even some transfer input...... and so on, making sure the structure is in place and settled long term. In this country all these aspects seem to get ignored, there's a lack of people who think and appreciate the game in this way (especially tactically), and the role is usually someone just playing transfers or used by someone to manoeuvre his way into managing the first team and seen as a 2nd rate role, when arguably I'd say it should be of even greater importance if done properly.

 

[heelspurs]

£30m on Sissoko. 25m on Aurier. 25m on Moura. 40m on Sanchez. 12m Nkoudou. 10m Njie. 13m Llorente. 18m on Janssen. 173m and we've got one real first team regular. Youth integration has diminished. I accept that not all of those transfers, on a stand alone basis, are bad business, but that's hardly a structure working brilliantly.

Surely you're being less than charitable in your assessment? Sissy, Aurier, and Sanchez are all first team regulars and Moura has been here for all of 15 minutes but looks as if he will easily be a 'regular' if not starter. None of the other 4 'misses' were ever expected (at least as far as the timeline from their xfer to now) to be first team regulars. N'Jie bombed and N'Koudou looks like he may as well. Janssen was always a project but hopes were he would be an able backup and Llorente was always expected to be an able veteran backup to an ever-present striker. We were left disappointed on both fronts. But we will probably break even when dumping these players so it was more an opportunity cost.

So at the very least it is a 50% strike rate, no? Name a club (that doesn't recruit 'finished' articles) that gets better than a 50% strike rate and that's not including the fact that we have a very settled first XI that finished 2nd in the league. Recruitment was/is always going to be a problem considering the team and wage issues; no one really wants to be backup and even if they will compete we can get our first choices because of money.

That said, there does seem to be areas/instances of recruitment that are deserving of a decent amount of scrutiny like the whole Sissoko issue (and I like him) when essentially the same money would have gotten Zaha...before the preseason. Sure, lessons learned and all that but that one leaves a mark. Never really saw the Janssen logic but the Llorente rationale seemed sound and thought he won't get much more PT having Moura here would have helped his transition. The N'Jie and GKN deals were sound as well as we needed that type of player but perhaps talent ID needs twerking.

I have no problem with the DOF model. I think there should be a person in that place to look out for the long-term health of the club as the short-term incentives of a manager are inherently misaligned with them. As long as there is good communication and players are not foisted upon a manager then it should be no problem.

 

[Streetspur77]

£30m on Sissoko. 25m on Aurier. 25m on Moura. 40m on Sanchez. 12m Nkoudou. 10m Njie. 13m Llorente. 18m on Janssen.

173m and we've got one real first team regular. Youth integration has diminished. I accept that not all of those transfers, on a stand alone basis, are bad business, but that's hardly a structure working brilliantly.

And it's not a DOF, it's a head of recruitment that has been been scuppered. Slightly different.

In terms of coaching, I have immense trust in Pochettino, love his oeuvre, but his recruitment - even going back over previous clubs - is much less trustworthy. I'm all for him having a major input, in the transfer committee, but a good head of recruitment can be worth his weight in gold in this bananas market.

Firstly, Sanchez and Aurier are both first team regulars, we rotate our fullbacks, so that's two. Moura I'm not sure what catagory you've put him in but he's clearly in the first team plans, if a bit rusty. Then sissoko, like him or not has clearly been an important part of the squad this season.

The rest yeah sure, but you've been slightly disengenous by including signings of players meant to be backups. Janssen and llorente was never meant to overtake Kane, they were always meant to be back ups so although they underperformed, to paint them as failures because neither became first choice is weak.

Wanyama 10m, dele 5m, dier 4m, alderwiereld 11m, Davies 10m, trippier 3.5m, son 22m, vorm 5m
(All roughly)

That's 8 first team players for 70.5, it works both ways. Show me a significantly better, consistent recruitment record and your point will be valid but until then I'll stick with the manager who's consistently improved our first team and squad on a 0 net spend budget.

 

[scat1620]

The N'Jie and GKN deals were sound as well as we needed that type of player but perhaps talent ID needs twerking.

Honestly, I just don't see how that would help things.

 

[Saoirse]

£30m on Sissoko. 25m on Aurier. 25m on Moura. 40m on Sanchez. 12m Nkoudou. 10m Njie. 13m Llorente. 18m on Janssen.

173m and we've got one real first team regular. Youth integration has diminished. I accept that not all of those transfers, on a stand alone basis, are bad business, but that's hardly a structure working brilliantly.

And it's not a DOF, it's a head of recruitment that has been been scuppered. Slightly different.

In terms of coaching, I have immense trust in Pochettino, love his oeuvre, but his recruitment - even going back over previous clubs - is much less trustworthy. I'm all for him having a major input, in the transfer committee, but a good head of recruitment can be worth his weight in gold in this bananas market.

Firstly, Sanchez and Aurier are both first team regulars, we rotate our fullbacks, so that's two. Moura I'm not sure what catagory you've put him in but he's clearly in the first team plans, if a bit rusty. Then sissoko, like him or not has clearly been an important part of the squad this season.

The rest yeah sure, but you've been slightly disengenous by including signings of players meant to be backups. Janssen and llorente was never meant to overtake Kane, they were always meant to be back ups so although they underperformed, to paint them as failures because neither became first choice is weak.

Wanyama 10m, dele 5m, dier 4m, alderwiereld 11m, Davies 10m, trippier 3.5m, son 22m, vorm 5m
(All roughly)

That's 8 first team players for 70.5, it works both ways. Show me a significantly better, consistent recruitment record and your point will be valid but until then I'll stick with the manager who's consistently improved our first team and squad on a 0 net spend budget.

From what I've seen the "success rate" for transfers at the top level is around 50%. I think Poch has if anything done a little better than that. But some of the successes have been outrageously good for the money we spent - Wanyama, Dele, Dier and Alderwiereld for a grand total of £30m is absolutely insane. All of them are worth at least double that alone.