Pochettino post Liverpool press conference

[Metalhead]

Agreed on the last point - it’s perhaps the range of fee in the negotiation that will widen in the current environment. Before it was the odd 5 million and Frazier Campbell. Now it seems like 55 to 75 million for Wilfred Zaha

Definitely got crazy. Like the London housing bubble, we await the downturn (I know that there has been a slight downturn on the house prices) but there seems no end in sight.

 

[rupsmith]

I agree that we have to accept our limitations to an extent because we can't compete with clubs that are essentially backed by countries and Levy is to be applauded for what he has done to date.

Obviously the stadium delays are not his finest hour and whilst I accept that big projects do run over, the PR hasn't been the best, which is most unlike Levy. In terms of the business model that Levy has pursued in relation to transfers, it has been astute albeit not foolproof and I feel a sense that it has come to the end of the road with premier league clubs now being a lot richer (even if artificially so due to the TV money) and many now seem ready to rebuff Levy's tactics so that may need a rethink.

I still think that the 'being brave meant backing youth rather than signing players' was retrospective spin but equally it was a weird window and there weren't that many quality players available. I'm kind of surprised that we didn't seem to cast our net a bit wider but then none of us know where we were looking apart from the obvious targets like Grealish.

Top post btw - enjoyed that analysis

 

[Metalhead]

Top post btw - enjoyed that analysis

Thanks mate - not on a par with your original one.

 

[shelfboy68]

Ok mate again thank you and look forward to future responses from yourself.

 

[dtxspurs]

@rupsmith like I said, our frugality is down to Levy and Levy alone. He can choose not to spend and come up with whatever excuse he wants. The point is he is literally the only club in the top 5 leagues of Europe and the only club in the Prem in 15 years not to buy a single fucking player. There are 0 excuses for that. As I said, sure maybe it isn't the fiscally responsible thing to do to spend 100mil but Tottenham Hotspur isn't going to disappear if we spend some damn $.

You can list out how great all those players are and what great bargains they were, but the fact of the matter that collective group has won jack shit and we've been horrid in the window the past 3 years.

 

[rupsmith]

@rupsmith like I said, our frugality is down to Levy and Levy alone. He can choose not to spend and come up with whatever excuse he wants. The point is he is literally the only club in the top 5 leagues of Europe and the only club in the Prem in 15 years not to buy a single fucking player. There are 0 excuses for that. As I said, sure maybe it isn't the fiscally responsible thing to do to spend 100mil but Tottenham Hotspur isn't going to disappear if we spend some damn $.

You can list out how great all those players are and what great bargains they were, but the fact of the matter that collective group has won jack shit and we've been horrid in the window the past 3 years.

A different line of thinking. We will have to agree to disagree. I wish you a pleasant week sir.

 

[shelfboy68]

@rupsmith like I said, our frugality is down to Levy and Levy alone. He can choose not to spend and come up with whatever excuse he wants. The point is he is literally the only club in the top 5 leagues of Europe and the only club in the Prem in 15 years not to buy a single fucking player. There are 0 excuses for that. As I said, sure maybe it isn't the fiscally responsible thing to do to spend 100mil but Tottenham Hotspur isn't going to disappear if we spend some damn $.

You can list out how great all those players are and what great bargains they were, but the fact of the matter that collective group has won jack shit and we've been horrid in the window the past 3 years.

I think the best time to judge levys master plan is at the end of the season when if we are out of the top four which is likely but not definite and probably out of the CL maybe at the group stage, will we be able to say if it was worth the sacrifice.

 

[dtxspurs]

I think the best time to judge levys master plan is at the end of the season when if we are out of the top four which is likely but not definite and probably out of the CL maybe at the group stage, will we be able to say if it was worth the sacrifice.

Alright, guess we can shut this place down in the meantime.

 

[shelfboy68]

I agree that we have to accept our limitations to an extent because we can't compete with clubs that are essentially backed by countries and Levy is to be applauded for what he has done to date.

Obviously the stadium delays are not his finest hour and whilst I accept that big projects do run over, the PR hasn't been the best, which is most unlike Levy. In terms of the business model that Levy has pursued in relation to transfers, it has been astute albeit not foolproof and I feel a sense that it has come to the end of the road with premier league clubs now being a lot richer (even if artificially so due to the TV money) and many now seem ready to rebuff Levy's tactics so that may need a rethink.

I still think that the 'being brave meant backing youth rather than signing players' was retrospective spin but equally it was a weird window and there weren't that many quality players available. I'm kind of surprised that we didn't seem to cast our net a bit wider but then none of us know where we were looking apart from the obvious targets like Grealish.

Mate I find it hard to believe that poch didn't want to sign quality players after finishing third and himself keen to prove himself a top manager by winning something but instead scratch around the academy trying to fill gaps with unproven youngsters all to satisfy levys bank balance.
Although your post is well thought out and well meant I can't subscribe to that view that a manager of a club trying to compete would want to be brave with 18 and 19 year old's.

 

[shelfboy68]

Alright, guess we can shut this place down in the meantime.

No you are entitled to your voice but if this season goes South then everyone has the right to jump all over Mr levy over his decision.

 

[Metalhead]

Mate I find it hard to believe that poch didn't want to sign quality players after finishing third and himself keen to prove himself a top manager by winning something but instead scratch around the academy trying to fill gaps with unproven youngsters all to satisfy levys bank balance.
Although your post is well thought out and well meant I can't subscribe to that view that a manager of a club trying to compete would want to be brave with 18 and 19 year old's.

Oh no, I agree - what I said was that I think that the 'being brave meant backing youth rather than signing players' was retrospective spin because someone on here had suggested that to be the case after the window had shut and I really don't think that's what Poch meant at all.

 

[shelfboy68]

Oh no, I agree - what I said was that I think that the 'being brave meant backing youth rather than signing players' was retrospective spin because someone on here had suggested that to be the case after the window had shut and I really don't think that's what Poch meant at all.

Sorry mate my mistake

 

[ostrov]

Whilst Poch is to blame for the performances coupled with stuff out of his control eg world cup, players being tired etc, I think Levy has let him down BIG time. Look at Liverscum, the owners backed Klopp year on year. Yeah I know they sold Coutinho but they backed him to the hilt.

To be fair you need to figure in that Liverpool are not building the ultra-modern stadium with the steady cost increase because of GBP value decreasing against Euro all the time due to Brexit. Some rumours going it's already reached £1billion. We buy lots of materials on the Continent ( Hungary, Germany, Ireland )

 

[Always Offside]

I've wondered if Klopp was a little over-rated and he may well be but he speaks well & comes across well in interviews. He was saying before the game that he kept things pretty simple as he "didn't want to confuse the boys".

I'm not sure if Poch is maybe is confusing our boys or not getting things across clearly at the moment. With the regular switching of formations we seem a little lost at times.

 

[Metalhead]

To be fair you need to figure in that Liverpool are not building the ultra-modern stadium with the steady cost increase because of GBP value decreasing against Euro all the time due to Brexit. Some rumours going it's already reached £1billion. We buy lots of materials on the Continent ( Hungary, Germany, Ireland )

Good point.

 

[JCRD]

To be fair you need to figure in that Liverpool are not building the ultra-modern stadium with the steady cost increase because of GBP value decreasing against Euro all the time due to Brexit. Some rumours going it's already reached £1billion. We buy lots of materials on the Continent ( Hungary, Germany, Ireland )

I agree that we have other priorities but I highly doubt Poch was told his spending would be limited i.e. no signings whatsoever. Now perhaps our spending will have been dependent on sales but then the question is why do we have so much deadwood. I mean I look at Liverscum and they managed to sell Ings an injury prone player for £20m, yet we couldnt get rid of anyone?

I just see that our transfer strategy and potential promises has let Poch down and now we are reaping what we have sowed and this isnt just last summer but previous windows.

Its a tad demoralising and i cant blame Poch for the entirety of the situation which we seem to forget is only just two losses - next three to five games are crucial in determining how we progress in my view.

 

[double0]

@rupsmith like I said, our frugality is down to Levy and Levy alone. He can choose not to spend and come up with whatever excuse he wants. The point is he is literally the only club in the top 5 leagues of Europe and the only club in the Prem in 15 years not to buy a single fucking player. There are 0 excuses for that. As I said, sure maybe it isn't the fiscally responsible thing to do to spend 100mil but Tottenham Hotspur isn't going to disappear if we spend some damn $.

You can list out how great all those players are and what great bargains they were, but the fact of the matter that collective group has won jack shit and we've been horrid in the window the past 3 years.

Not really excuses, let's be fair to Levy he is building a fabulous stadium that will see the club into x times, he has appointed a brilliant manager and previously backed him. A couple of wins and all will be forgotten.... It's early days still ie since we won at United we've had back to back defeats whereas United have had b2b wins...... Things can change very quickly.

 

[Paceyjg]

Still hurting from that Liverpool match! So disappointed by our lineup and approach to the game. Poch is very much to blame and its almost inevitable he will do exactly the same against Man City when we play them..

 

[double0]

Still hurting from that Liverpool match! So disappointed by our lineup and approach to the game. Poch is very much to blame and its almost inevitable he will do exactly the same against Man City when we play them..

I guess you where happy with Pochettinho when we smashed Liverpool 4-1 last season, and Man United 0-3 this. Please let's not over kill

It's early days and in the 4 years Pochettinho has taken this club forward... We've had 8-9 players getting to the latter stages of the world cup and we never had additional players added to the squad... hell we've got International Milan in the CL at the San Serio ( just a reminder to all the negative fans out there)

 

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