Pochettino's tactics did not help vs Liverpool

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Five matches, five different midfield combinations.

Mauricio Pochettino has not yet settled on a first choice shape, and his uncertainty is being reflected in his players.

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Totally agree especially with Trippier and Mane. Trips should have sat back and seen the threat out. Mane is great at exploiting space so don't give it to him.
 

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Starting with Davinson and playing three at the back, to defend against the counter...
Not asking three central midfielders to cover wide positions....
Making an earlier change to effect a game in which we were obviously second best....

Hindsight? Or pretty obvious to anyone watching the match unfold?
 

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I'm going to defend Poch here. Whilst I do think he has got a lot wrong recently, he could simply be trying to find a balance that maximises the whole team and one that means every player can adapt to. I recall Fergie having a lot of tactical and personnel blunders throughout his reign too. Poch will get it right eventually.

My worry is the players and their mindset/fitness. Doesn't feel right.
 

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I'm going to defend Poch here. Whilst I do think he has got a lot wrong recently, he could simply be trying to find a balance that maximises the whole team and one that means every player can adapt to. I recall Fergie having a lot of tactical and personnel blunders throughout his reign too. Poch will get it right eventually.

My worry is the players and their mindset/fitness. Doesn't feel right.
I see what you’re saying, but it’s so frustrating to watch one of his tactical train crashes happen. It’s almost like Poch is self sabotaging sometimes. If it really is a case of him trying and testing a few ideas, as you say, I bloody well hope that he’s not still pissing around when we come to play barca!
 

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It's laughable that shortly after the City documentary comes out in which Guardiola's key tactic when they battered Liverpool last season is not to leave space behind the full backs for them to exploit, we do exactly that. Utterly naive.
 

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It's laughable that shortly after the City documentary comes out in which Guardiola's key tactic when they battered Liverpool last season is not to leave space behind the full backs for them to exploit, we do exactly that. Utterly naive.
You have to remember that pep is a top class manager who win things and makes teams better everywhere he rocks up klopp at Dortmund was successful as is mourhino.
Poch on the other hand has won fuck all anywhere and whilst he remains at spurs that legacy will continue, some of his tactics are truly mind blowing like playing son at left back against Chelsea in the semi-final the other year terrible decision and his substitutions are equally as bad.
But he is the best manager we can hope for under owners who are not interested in winning the league or anything else, so for the time being we have to stick with him warts and all.
 

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So our settled squad that doesn't need to integrate new players did well against Liverpool, who just went out and bought loads of players who will need time to settle.... :whistle:
 
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I've said it in other threads, but we have the players to play 1-4-3-3 & yet we played with a diamond & asked DIer to play in the middle rather than the base. Our CM's are too far away from LFC's wider-sitting midfielders & fullbacks, they were just picked off as soon as both fullbacks rushed forward. Salah & Mane probably thought they've never had it so good.

I also seem to remember the Poch going with 2 up top against Man City away last year & guess what? We got hammered 4-1 & it could have been 8, which wouldn't have flattered them. The manager needs to do better. Surely the simplicity of putting your fleet-footed faster players in the wide areas & your clever, creative, more technical players in the centre is not lost on the Poch, so it baffles me as to why persists with his tactical decisions.

After, what will be 5 years, if the most you can say is I qualified for the Champions League, then for a club like ours it shouldn't be a surprise to be shown the door. The question becomes who do you get when Sarri, Tuchel & Luis Enrique have just settled into new jobs? Quique Setien at Real Betis is class & is a real proponent of the 'Juego de posicion' style; with limited resources he's made them very entertaining.
 

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For a club like ours, what he's done is fucking phenomenal. If you're thinking about sacking him because you feel like we deserve better, perhaps Chelsea is a better club for you.

You may well get your wish anyway when Poch goes to Man United and gets to buy anyone he wants.
You'll feel stupid though when we finish 8th and he wins the title.
 
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For a club like ours, what he's done is fucking phenomenal. If you're thinking about sacking him because you feel like we deserve better, perhaps Chelsea is a better club for you.

You may well get your wish anyway when Poch goes to Man United and gets to buy anyone he wants.
You'll feel stupid though when we finish 8th and he wins the title.
Totes right on the job he has done and no one wants him sacked ...

He isn't immune from criticism though.

As for him going to United, I guess Madrid don't want him any more ...

:ROFLMAO:
 

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For a club like ours, what he's done is fucking phenomenal. If you're thinking about sacking him because you feel like we deserve better, perhaps Chelsea is a better club for you.

You may well get your wish anyway when Poch goes to Man United and gets to buy anyone he wants.
You'll feel stupid though when we finish 8th and he wins the title.
Mate not sure who you are arguing with as your not quoting anyone but it's very possible we could finish 8th this year, and I don't think anyone wants poch sacked but he along with the players need to sort themselves out otherwise the pressure will build and we have all seen how this pan's out before.
 

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Mate not sure who you are arguing with as your not quoting anyone but it's very possible we could finish 8th this year, and I don't think anyone wants poch sacked but he along with the players need to sort themselves out otherwise the pressure will build and we have all seen how this pan's out before.
I was responding to the post directly above mine that was going as far as discussing who we should get to replace him.
Ludicrous.

People forget what little glory in any capacity we experienced for decades before he came.
 

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I was responding to the post directly above mine that was going as far as discussing who we should get to replace him.
Ludicrous.

People forget what little glory in any capacity we experienced for decades before he came.
Agree with you on that like I said I don't want him sacked even though I am dissapointed about the way we have started the season I think we are under performing and he along with the players need to get hold of it quickly.
As for managers names being banded around that is silly in itself plus a lot of managers certainly the best ones won't come to us anyway as firstly we are not in a position to ever compete for anything and secondly not many would want to work under levy.
 

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paraphrasing my earlier post:
1. The transfer window wasn't terrific in terms of getting in some needed cover
2. Poch has said several times since pre-season that he'd have to manage certain players and have lots of rotation the first period of the season because of the WC SF issue and all the call ups for the bloomin Nations Cup
3. Add to that the fact that several of the players who should have been available and fit/ fresh (eg Wanyama, Lamela) got injuries during pre/early season.
4. Silly suspensions
5. Incorporating the one player who seems fit and in form (LM)
6. Son going to Asia
7. Finally add in injuries to key players (eg Alli) and you have a situation where Poch has to manage the group and make shifts in formation.

If the group was somewhere close to fit (mentally and physically), I suspect our team would have been:
Hugo, Trippier, Sanchez, Toby, Verts, Davies, Wanyama, Eriksen, Alli, Son, Kane in a 3 (Sanchez, Toby, Verts), 3 (Trippier, Wanyama, Davies), 3 (Eriksen, Alli, Son), 1 (Kane).....or as some people like to reference it 5-1-3-1

Promise you, it would have been a different game. The difference between us and Pool now is that their top players look a LOT fresher because they weren't at the WC or left early.....its pretty relevant that Hendo is being used so sparingly.

In a funny way, the Alli injury, if it is 3-4 weeks may end up giving us a fresher player for the rest of the season.

Poch has done more for our club then anyone else since I started following the team in the late 1970's (and yes I know how amazing 1984 was!). He deserves more than our backing....he deserves a lot of latitude because he has earned such trust.
 

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Put the blame in the chairman's office.
I have no doubt poch would have wanted 2-3 players in the summer and got short changed, just like many managers before him and many to come after him.
Liverpool were fitter and faster than us all over the pitch, and it was predictable.

Gone are the days when we had the youngest average age in the league, with the fittest players. Rose, Jan, Toby, Trippier all around their late 20's early 30's. Kane looks fucked. Eriksen is at his prime age now.
It's only Kane, Son, Lamela and Dele under 25 in the front positions.

If we can't out-fit teams any more we need to bring in younger fitter players to replace the older ones or change the philosphy
 

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Mate not sure who you are arguing with as your not quoting anyone but it's very possible we could finish 8th this year, and I don't think anyone wants poch sacked but he along with the players need to sort themselves out otherwise the pressure will build and we have all seen how this pan's out before.
Finish 8th with a League Cup, buy well, win the Europa the following year and get back into the CL. I could live with that. Two trophies and some crucial experience. Or we could turn it around and win the League Cup and get fourth but that is one hell of a challenge. Forget the title. But with our performance I will be buzzing if we beat Watford in round 3.
 

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Finish 8th with a League Cup, buy well, win the Europa the following year and get back into the CL. I could live with that. Two trophies and some crucial experience. Or we could turn it around and win the League Cup and get fourth but that is one hell of a challenge. Forget the title. But with our performance I will be buzzing if we beat Watford in round 3.
Wow yes I could handle that although I can see us not going through the group stage of the CL because we are not good enough but maybe win Europa league and yes finish outside top four and maybe build again in a few seasons time.
 
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