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Pochettino's tactics did not help vs Liverpool

DCSPUR

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I think it's more the fact that they are a unit, playing exactly the same way as they have done for the last 2 years. They know their jobs inside and out, and know exactly who is where and what they are responsible for. Far too much emphasis is being put on tiredness imo. It's not like we are fading in games, we look confused and disorganised from the off.

tiredness is not just running around....it shows up mentally and if you look at the wayward passes, poor play on a basic level from, for eg, Eriksen, Dier and Dembele, it illustrates fatigue. Several of the commentators have been referencing that and Poch has talked about the lack of time between WC SF and start of season. Seems strange to minimize an obvious data point.
 

DCSPUR

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Which barring Moura and Toby returning to the side should be blatantly obvious to the guy that has been coaching most of them for over 3 years or so.
so either Poch has become a poorer coach than folks on these boards/ decided to randomly mix things up to make us weaker or has a bloomin good reason....perhaps the points referenced above? That's what I'd suggest is most likely.
 

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tiredness is not just running around....it shows up mentally and if you look at the wayward passes, poor play on a basic level from, for eg, Eriksen, Dier and Dembele, it illustrates fatigue. Several of the commentators have been referencing that and Poch has talked about the lack of time between WC SF and start of season. Seems strange to minimize an obvious data point.

Eriksen looked great for Denmark, and if he were really that concerned about fatigue because of the WC I'd have expected Jan to have been rested for Sanchez at some point which he hasn't(he's played every minute).

I'm not saying Poch has become a poor coach either but lets be honest. He's never been seen as a coach that has great tactical nous. There is nothing wrong with that because his strengths lie in other areas, which he's proved time and again.

If people think though these constant set up changes are to do with resting and rotating players I think the're kidding themselves. We could have easily changed personnel around without playing 4 different formations in 5 games.
 

DCSPUR

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Eriksen looked great for Denmark, and if he were really that concerned about fatigue because of the WC I'd have expected Jan to have been rested for Sanchez at some point which he hasn't(he's played every minute).

I'm not saying Poch has become a poor coach either but lets be honest. He's never been seen as a coach that has great tactical nous. There is nothing wrong with that because his strengths lie in other areas, which he's proved time and again.

If people think though these constant set up changes are to do with resting and rotating players I think the're kidding themselves. We could have easily changed personnel around without playing 4 different formations in 5 games.
it's not just that as i noted above - several other rational reasons outlined but prob best to agree to disagree....i always value your insights just don't agree with you at this moment
 

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Isn't it just.

Remarkably the formation that has given us the most points over the last two seasons, is the one we are yet to play so far this season, and we haven't had one solid performance yet.

Poch needs o stop trying to win games from the bench play our best suited formation.

Keep it simple.
I wonder how much the inclusion of Lucas has influenced these changes. It's like Poch is trying to create a partnership when the collective (centred around Kane) has always been our biggest strength.

Let's see how long he persists with it. It's certainly not a good time to be messing around with it though.
 
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Evidence?

There's a plethora of quotes from managers past and present (Poch included) who make it clear that at no point has DL ever refused to buy a player, or refused to try. Sherwood and Poch aren't the first to say that they "didn't want" to sign players in a window.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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There's a plethora of quotes from managers past and present (Poch included) who make it clear that at no point has DL ever refused to buy a player, or refused to try. Sherwood and Poch aren't the first to say that they "didn't want" to sign players in a window.

I don't believe he said he didn't want anyone.
I believe he said it was hard to add anyone. Very hard when your chairman want a top dollar for your cast offs then pay less for other teams prized assets.
 

Johnny J

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I think it's more the fact that they are a unit, playing exactly the same way as they have done for the last 2 years. They know their jobs inside and out, and know exactly who is where and what they are responsible for. Far too much emphasis is being put on tiredness imo. It's not like we are fading in games, we look confused and disorganised from the off.
Yep. The one thing we should have reasonably expected, especially given no incomings, is that we would have a settled and confident formation and set up.

Instead, the players look like they have no idea what they're meant to be doing. That's hugely worrying.
 

shelfboy68

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There's a plethora of quotes from managers past and present (Poch included) who make it clear that at no point has DL ever refused to buy a player, or refused to try. Sherwood and Poch aren't the first to say that they "didn't want" to sign players in a window.
Maybe the best evidence will come in the future once poch leaves in years to come he may then once not under constraints of his contract inform the press of how it all went down until then it's all guessing game's from us.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I should imagine wherever a manager leaves Tottenham, under whatever circumstances, levy pays them money for silence. And I doubt that's unique to Tottenham.
 
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Maybe the best evidence will come in the future once poch leaves in years to come he may then once not under constraints of his contract inform the press of how it all went down until then it's all guessing game's from us.

That's what has always been said. See the post after yours for more contrived stuff like "it's a conspiracy!".

It's as if some people think ENIC have an unlimited pot of money to pay every past player, coach and manager to pinky swear not to tell everyone "the truth"
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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That's what has always been said. See the post after yours for more contrived stuff like "it's a conspiracy!".

It's as if some people think ENIC have an unlimited pot of money to pay every past player, coach and manager to pinky swear not to tell everyone "the truth"
It's not a conspiracy ffs.

When clubs sack managers and pay them compensation, it's subject to strict non disclosure agreements. It's not just football coaches. Almost any senior member of a company leaving is subject to this kind of deal thing if they want their compensation.
Having a manager leave with various parting shots about how business is done could cause irreparable damage to the club.
 
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It's not a conspiracy ffs.

When clubs sack managers and pay them compensation, it's subject to strict non disclosure agreements. It's not just football coaches. Almost any senior member of a company leaving is subject to this kind of deal thing if they want their compensation.
Having a manager leave with various parting shots about how business is done could cause irreparable damage to the club.

What about the managers that left without being sacked? Or the coaches? The players?

Bit weird how none of them support the nonsense that gets pushed on forums
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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What about the managers that left without being sacked? Or the coaches? The players?

Bit weird how none of them support the nonsense that gets pushed on forums
Who left anyone lately without being sacked or poached and given a big pay off?
 
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Who left anyone lately without being sacked or poached and given a big pay off?

As opposed to what? Being taken by the rapture?

To summarise your point so far, there's no evidence to support your theories, but that's because they're given hush money.

All of the managers we've had in the past 17 years.


Not only that, but everyone else who is privvy too - all the coaches and players. All being paid off to keep them from telling everyone how evil Daniel Levy said no to Cavani and bought Saha instead.

Let's ignore the fact that every recent manager has voluntarily said that DL is always asking if they want players, and tries hard for anyone they ask him for etc.
 

shelfboy68

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That's what has always been said. See the post after yours for more contrived stuff like "it's a conspiracy!".

It's as if some people think ENIC have an unlimited pot of money to pay every past player, coach and manager to pinky swear not to tell everyone "the truth"
Well I've never said it was a conspiracy mate just trying to say if poch has somethingto say then he will in time simple as that.
 
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Well I've never said it was a conspiracy mate just trying to say if poch has somethingto say then he will in time simple as that.

Wasn't saying you were, MattSpur was (e.g. See the post after yours for more contrived stuff like "it's a conspiracy!")
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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As opposed to what? Being taken by the rapture?

To summarise your point so far, there's no evidence to support your theories, but that's because they're given hush money.

All of the managers we've had in the past 17 years.


Not only that, but everyone else who is privvy too - all the coaches and players. All being paid off to keep them from telling everyone how evil Daniel Levy said no to Cavani and bought Saha instead.

Let's ignore the fact that every recent manager has voluntarily said that DL is always asking if they want players, and tries hard for anyone they ask him for etc.

In the 90's (and prior) when a manager was failing at his job, or just not happy and wanted to leave they resigned, which forfeits any kind of compensation.
With the money came big pay outs for sackings, meaning managers stopped resigning and instead resorted to staying, no matter how bad things were, until they were sacked and paid off. Look at Conte. He clearly hated it at Chelsea but he was never, ever gonna resign. He waited for his millions, signed a hush paper, and moved on.
It's a disgrace how many managers do this, there's no regard for the club, they'd drag them down to relegation as long as it meant they got sacked instead of resigning.
 
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