Pochettino's Transfer record

[yido_number1]

I think that for a club with limited finances to spend sixty million on three players neither of which are good enough to make a succession of first team starts is quite shocking to be honest.

Here is what is saw in the FA Cup semi final:

Substitutes from: Begović, Zouma, Terry, Chalobah, Fàbregas, Hazard, Costa

Substitutes from: Lopez, Davies, Walker, Wimmer, Sissoko, Nkoudou, Janssen

Which substitutes from either side would fill you with fear seeing them warm up to come on when you were looking to win a game of football?

I don't doubt that we couldn't afford Costa, Fabrigas (or even want him) or Hazard, but there simply has to be a better way to spend sixty million of valuable transfer funds this off season?

In fairness how much did Chelsea spend on Batshuayi in wages and fee for him to not start a consecutive number of games? Similarly they have recently signed Cuadrado who managed something like 13 games in all comps over 3 years.

 

[alamo]

I don't doubt that we couldn't afford Costa, Fabrigas (or even want him) or Hazard, but there simply has to be a better way to spend sixty million of valuable transfer funds this off season?

You make it sound so simple Gaz. When it obviously isn't.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

You make it sound so simple Gaz. When it obviously isn't.

I didn't say it was simple or meant to imply that. The club have spent well over 100 million over the past few seasons, (including the magnificent seven) and have what to show for it?

From memory just Lamela remains who has played just eighty five games since 2013 (though obviously injured a lot), and we now have the last sixty million spent on three players unable to make any impact when playing and certainly not the kind of impact anticipated by the money spent to get them here. I think the GKN transfer took the whole of last Summer to even get him to the Club, and how many games has he actually started?

The club are paying for a scouting network that should be producing better returns on the money the club are investing. Southampton being a prime example of producing some superb players for a fraction of the cost of what we have spent over the past few seasons. If they can get it so right (though not infallible) then why can't we?

I accept that all transfers can be potentially very risky, but for some reason we are top of the league for investing in a poor return when it comes to transfers, and that simply cannot all be down to pure bad luck.

 

[Shadydan]

I didn't say it was simple or meant to imply that. The club have spent well over 100 million over the past few seasons, (including the magnificent seven) and have what to show for it?

From memory just Lamela remains who has played just eighty five games since 2013 (though obviously injured a lot), and we now have the last sixty million spent on three players unable to make any impact when playing and certainly not the kind of impact anticipated by the money spent to get them here. I think the GKN transfer took the whole of last Summer to even get him to the Club, and how many games has he actually started?

The club are paying for a scouting network that should be producing better returns on the money the club are investing. Southampton being a prime example of producing some superb players for a fraction of the cost of what we have spent over the past few seasons. If they can get it so right (though not infallible) then why can't we?

I accept that all transfers can be potentially very risky, but for some reason we are top of the league for investing in a poor return when it comes to transfers, and that simply cannot all be down to pure bad luck.

WTF...We've spent £100m over the past few seasons and we've shown continous progression including our highest place finishes we've ever had in the league, how much have our rivals spent over the past few years and struggle to even finish the top four. For comparisons sake work out how much Man City or Utd for example have spent compared to us and then compare where the respective clubs have finished in the league, that will tell you all you need to know. You keep going on about Sissoko, Nkoudou and Janssen...by all means with Sissoko you have a point but the other two players are still young and cannot and shouldn't be written off yet. Why have you failed to mention our successful signings like Dier, Alli, Alderweireld, Wanyama etc..., seeing as we're so bad at transfers those players were signed for pittence especially in today's market.

The club's scouting policy should be producing better returns, you mean like Winks, CCV, Onomah...those three alone would be playing much more collectively if we didn't have such strength in depth and weren't competing for the title which shows you how far we've come. Our scouting network has also produced Livermore who is now an England intl, Carroll, Mason, Townsend...These are all established players who play in the Premierleague, Bentaleb plays for a top team in the Bundesliga and we received healthy fees for all these players when we sold them...To say that our scouting network is failing us is utterley bizzare.

It's very strange for me that a Spurs fan is bemoaning the way we conduct business when we're constantly looked at as the team who get the best deals done by rival fans.

 

[dontcallme]

I think the criticism of Poch's transfer signings is when making a player in his prime a top target.

At Southampton he pushed very hard for Osvaldo and he was a complete disaster.

At us last summer he did the same with Sissoko and he is not working out either.

Ferguson did this as well. He made Ropy Keane, Cantona and Carrick players he was desperate for and made sure the board got them. They were very successful.

In the big scheme of things Poch isn't bad in the transfer market but his last two big signings have not worked out.

 

[Kspur]

I think that for a club with limited finances to spend sixty million on three players neither of which are good enough to make a succession of first team starts is quite shocking to be honest.

Here is what is saw in the FA Cup semi final:

Substitutes from: Begović, Zouma, Terry, Chalobah, Fàbregas, Hazard, Costa

Substitutes from: Lopez, Davies, Walker, Wimmer, Sissoko, Nkoudou, Janssen

Which substitutes from either side would fill you with fear seeing them warm up to come on when you were looking to win a game of football?

I don't doubt that we couldn't afford Costa, Fabrigas (or even want him) or Hazard, but there simply has to be a better way to spend sixty million of valuable transfer funds this off season?

Neither is not one or the other of two.

Didn't read the rest

 

[Shadydan]

I think the criticism of Poch's transfer signings is when making a player in his prime a top target.

At Southampton he pushed very hard for Osvaldo and he was a complete disaster.

At us last summer he did the same with Sissoko and he is not working out either.

Ferguson did this as well. He made Ropy Keane, Cantona and Carrick players he was desperate for and made sure the board got them. They were very successful.

In the big scheme of things Poch isn't bad in the transfer market but his last two big signings have not worked out.

Ferguson also bought Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Bebe, Prunier etc... so he also had his failures.

 

[dontcallme]

Ferguson also bought Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Bebe, Prunier etc... so he also had his failures.

Not my point though was it?

I didn't mention individual signings.

What I said was there were certain signings managers push as a big signing that he desperately wanted.

AVB wanted Moutinho and felt he could build a team around him.

Ferguson wanted Cantona, Keane and Carrick and made them priority signings. They were successful.

Pochettino pushed very hard for Osvaldo and he failed. The same has happened at Sissoko.

Didn't say his overall signings were failures, I said the opposite.

 

[beats1]

I think that for a club with limited finances to spend sixty million on three players neither of which are good enough to make a succession of first team starts is quite shocking to be honest.

Here is what is saw in the FA Cup semi final:

Substitutes from: Begović, Zouma, Terry, Chalobah, Fàbregas, Hazard, Costa

Substitutes from: Lopez, Davies, Walker, Wimmer, Sissoko, Nkoudou, Janssen

Which substitutes from either side would fill you with fear seeing them warm up to come on when you were looking to win a game of football?

I don't doubt that we couldn't afford Costa, Fabrigas (or even want him) or Hazard, but there simply has to be a better way to spend sixty million of valuable transfer funds this off season?

No offence but this is a silly point, if we dropped Kane and Alli, had them on the bench does that mean we have the strongest bench in the league?

Also I would rather take our defensive options over theres, of course Sissoko is a weak link but you overlooking the fact we also had missing Lamela, Winks and Rose missing whilst they were full strength, had they been fit

We would have a bench of

Lopez, Walker, Wimmer, Sissoko, Winks, Lamela, Son

Which is as strong as there's if not stronger taking to account their bench players were on the pitch

 

[midoNdefoe]

I didn't say it was simple or meant to imply that. The club have spent well over 100 million over the past few seasons, (including the magnificent seven) and have what to show for it?

From memory just Lamela remains who has played just eighty five games since 2013 (though obviously injured a lot), and we now have the last sixty million spent on three players unable to make any impact when playing and certainly not the kind of impact anticipated by the money spent to get them here. I think the GKN transfer took the whole of last Summer to even get him to the Club, and how many games has he actually started?

The club are paying for a scouting network that should be producing better returns on the money the club are investing. Southampton being a prime example of producing some superb players for a fraction of the cost of what we have spent over the past few seasons. If they can get it so right (though not infallible) then why can't we?

I accept that all transfers can be potentially very risky, but for some reason we are top of the league for investing in a poor return when it comes to transfers, and that simply cannot all be down to pure bad luck.

Wasn't Eriksen part of that same batch??

Why are you feeling so negative about the club? Is it just boredom because its the end-of-season? Lack of ITK and you feel like somehow the club are robbing you of your summer entertainment?

Your final statement is frankly baffling and so wide of the mark?!

 

[Shadydan]

Not my point though was it?

I didn't mention individual signings.

What I said was there were certain signings managers push as a big signing that he desperately wanted.

AVB wanted Moutinho and felt he could build a team around him.

Ferguson wanted Cantona, Keane and Carrick and made them priority signings. They were successful.

Pochettino pushed very hard for Osvaldo and he failed. The same has happened at Sissoko.

Didn't say his overall signings were failures, I said the opposite.

I wasn't disagreeing with you I was adding to/extending your point, sorry for the confusion.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think the criticism of Poch's transfer signings is when making a player in his prime a top target.

At Southampton he pushed very hard for Osvaldo and he was a complete disaster.

At us last summer he did the same with Sissoko and he is not working out either.

Ferguson did this as well. He made Ropy Keane, Cantona and Carrick players he was desperate for and made sure the board got them. They were very successful.

In the big scheme of things Poch isn't bad in the transfer market but his last two big signings have not worked out.

Sissoko was a deadline deal because we could not get a 1st choice across.

It was a bad deal - but lets not make it like he was the player Poch wanted all summer, and just had to have...

 

[dontcallme]

Sissoko was a deadline deal because we could not get a 1st choice across.

It was a bad deal - but lets not make it like he was the player Poch wanted all summer, and just had to have...

Everything I have read and heard suggests this was a player Poch wanted.

We were not desperate for a player in this position and the transfer setup Levy has put in place hardly pushes for expensive signings of 27 year olds. We were after Sissoko all summer so I believe this was a Poch signing.

 

[Shadydan]

Everything I have read and heard suggests this was a player Poch wanted.

We were not desperate for a player in this position and the transfer setup Levy has put in place hardly pushes for expensive signings of 27 year olds. We were after Sissoko all summer so I believe this was a Poch signing.

We were after a player like Sissoko all summer hence failing to land Mane, our interest in Sissoko became clear after the Liverpool match at home when Poch made a point of needing pace in the team and Sissoko was one of a handful of players who were available on the market that we could aquire.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Wasn't Eriksen part of that same batch??

Why are you feeling so negative about the club? Is it just boredom because its the end-of-season? Lack of ITK and you feel like somehow the club are robbing you of your summer entertainment?

Your final statement is frankly baffling and so wide of the mark?!

I said "from memory just Lamela remains" meaning that i would stand corrected. The thread is about Poch's transfer record, and my post reflects what many here on SC think. Sorry it's not a smelling of roses but fact is we have blown exorbitant amounts of money on bang average and in some cases damn poor players. Just how you expect the playing record of Soldado, or Fazio or GKN and to some extent Sissoko (as examples) to be dressed up in any other than a negative way is beyond me.

As for ITK the club have stifled anything other the pure speculation from any Spurs website, with the ITK in here, TT, TFC, or well known people on Twitter divulging anything in private messages. I am pretty close to two ex-players through business dealings of my brother and transfer news is tighter than a ducks arse.

As for Summer entertainment i will be at every pre-season game in the States, and like in Denver a couple of seasons ago will be getting my fair share of selfies!

 

[teok]

I would give poch some leeway over sissoko. He obviously wasn't the primary target and he gambled on him and lost. As a manager you have to say that motivating players is a top level attribute he has. When sissoko turns it on he is brilliant, what ever is holding him back is between the ears.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I think it's all about scouting for good players above all else. Now I know this may seem obvious but I would suggest other factors may have been primary in a couple of those deals.

Talent, ability to adapt, form, age and personality should be the overriding factors.

Then position, style of player and value should come next.

Personally I have no problem in us signing a player that our scouts believe is quality and does not work out.

However my big problem is where less important factors are put ahead.

Firstly buying from France, yes there is value, sometimes. Value should never be a primary concern as seemed to be the case with Njie.

Secondly if a manager has worked with a player, there is generally not a problem as with Wanyama.

Now all that said the one question I want to ask is how a top league club with quality scouts sign Sissoko.

Now we have to stop this back the Manager bullshit, if it's a player he has worked with then ok, but a manager is not a scout. A signing should never be made by a manager alone.

If Poch fancied Sissoko then the club should have then got a report from the scouts. Who knows perhaps they did and the scouts report was - no, and that was why we lost two of our head scouts.

Nobody can stand here and tell me that after watching Newcastle get relegated and seeing reports from Newcastle fans and at 30m Sissoko had form and value. I would argue ability as well.

So how on earth did this transfer go through - a 30m wim from Poch, if that is the truth then this is just madness.

You have a scouting system for a reason and if a manager wants a player it must be approved by them first.

This assumption that a great manager is also a great scout- this is where I worry.

Poch's success in training the players does not mean we should sign who he wants.

 

[Tucker]

People keep droning on about how Fergie bought a few flops.

They are forgetting the fact that at the time he usually had about twice as much money to spend than any other team in the league. He had money to burn. A few flops here and there didn't really dent his transfer fund.

You can't say the same for Spurs. When we waste £30 million, it makes a difference.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I think that for a club with limited finances to spend sixty million on three players neither of which are good enough to make a succession of first team starts is quite shocking to be honest.

Here is what is saw in the FA Cup semi final:

Substitutes from: Begović, Zouma, Terry, Chalobah, Fàbregas, Hazard, Costa

Substitutes from: Lopez, Davies, Walker, Wimmer, Sissoko, Nkoudou, Janssen

Which substitutes from either side would fill you with fear seeing them warm up to come on when you were looking to win a game of football?

I don't doubt that we couldn't afford Costa, Fabrigas (or even want him) or Hazard, but there simply has to be a better way to spend sixty million of valuable transfer funds this off season?

There's no denying that Chelsea had a stronger bench on the day, but we had more injuries. Rose and Davies were both injured, with Son at LWB. With everyone fit, Son, Lamella, Winks and Vorm would have been on the bench.

Begović, Zouma, Terry, Chalobah and Fabregas are not upgrades on Vorm, Wimmer, Davies, Walker/Trippier and Winks. Hazard and Costa would have started if fully fit. Willian is a good player, but Son and Lamella are also strong options. It's debatable whether Batshuayi is actually better than Janssen.

There is at least a case to be argued that Chelsea won the league because they had fewer injuries, rather than a stronger team or squad.

 

[shelfboy68]

There's no denying that Chelsea had a stronger bench on the day, but we had more injuries. Rose and Davies were both injured, with Son at LWB. With everyone fit, Son, Lamella, Winks and Vorm would have been on the bench.

Begović, Zouma, Terry, Chalobah and Fabregas are not upgrades on Vorm, Wimmer, Davies, Walker/Trippier and Winks. Hazard and Costa would have started if fully fit. Willian is a good player, but Son and Lamella are also strong options. It's debatable whether Batshuayi is actually better than Janssen.

There is at least a case to be argued that Chelsea won the league because they had fewer injuries, rather than a stronger team or squad.

I think their squad in my view helped them especially when you consider the semi-final game, yes playing son at left back was a ridiculous pick match that with our poor defending on the day and the options in hazard and Costa who came off the bench and helped to turn it in their favour.
We do not have options as good at that level most of what we have is either a slight step down or unproven youngsters.