Positivity Thread

[cliff jones]

some more- looks like we've sold about 40K tickets for Fulham. Why aren't you Levy fans putting your money where your mouths are?

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I'm not sure how much of that can be directed at ENIC. I think they've been great for us over the years and invested a hell of a lot into our club. The issues you speak of are in regards to the recruiting of players. ENIC provides the money we need, it's up to Daniel Levy to spend it on the right players. I kind of agree on the academy, it seems we've not signed as much young talent lately as in the past. It was going so well and we still have much young talent but it seems to be drying up. For sure Chelsea and City just throw money towards getting players, but there's plenty of talent about for us to get in before them.

I just think we need to recruit a lot better. Things as far as player signings go have gotten worse since Daniel Levy took over it. I would much rather we said 'here's 75m now go get the players that fit the philosophy of Poch and our wage structure'. As long as Poch gets final say on who we bring in I think it would work. We need another Baldini in my mind because Levy is not good enough with getting transfers done. He does so many things well from a business point of view but the football side of things is not his strength. We need someone full time to overlook player recruits all the way from the academy to the first team.

Can you share with me how much ENIC have invested please

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

This will happen if/when we can show young talent they will get opportunities with us

That really isn’t true. We have a reputation for giving youth a chance, even if I think the hype is greater than the reality, but we still don’t have the best players in our academy. Money counts at youth level just like it does at senior level, ENIC refuse to spend it on anything other than bricks and mortar.

 

[mil1lion]

I'm in similar agreement with you in that I want us to produce our own and be organic but also I want to offset that by being in a position to buy top quality to add the sprinkle of stardust that is needed to bag the big prizes.
So in essence I want us to be like city or Utd but still be a conveyer belt for home grown talent, with ENIC in charge we cannot be the former imo.

I can understand why people would feel that way. It's tough because more and more clubs spend this way now so I'm sure you feel 'if you can't beat them join them'. We did somewhat last summer really when we got Sanchez for 40m. I don't mind that for the odd player, but when you see Fulham spend over 100m it just seems crazy now. I'm just not sure we've gone as far as we can with ENIC. I think they do give us good money to spend but it just feels we've fallen a long way from buying the prospects like Modric and Berbatov. Our transfer strategy feels more like we only really go for players who are already established so their price is sky high (Martial and Zaha for example). The Premier League money is crazy but not all leagues across Europe is like it, so with a better strategy in the window we could still get great players without spending an arm and a leg.

 

[mil1lion]

Can you share with me how much ENIC have invested please

Not sure how much the state of the art training facilities and new stadium cost, in addition to what we spent on Moura in Jan and Sanchez last summer, 30m on Sissoko the year before. We always have money to spend in the window.

 

[sausage]

Please tell me you see the irony in what you’ve said and the clubs in the quote that we’re behind...

Not at all - barely any teams give youth a chance, so of course they choose the money.

They'd choose opportunity over money if it existed.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Not sure how much the state of the art training facilities and new stadium cost, in addition to what we spent on Moura in Jan and Sanchez last summer, 30m on Sissoko the year before. We always have money to spend in the window.

Not a penny of that has come from ENIC. It is all cash flow from operations I.e. what we as fans, either in the stadium, in front of a tv, or purchasing merchandise have paid into the club’s coffers.

 

[danielneeds]

Not a penny of that has come from ENIC. It is all cash flow from operations I.e. what we as fans, either in the stadium, in front of a tv, or purchasing merchandise have paid into the club’s coffers.

Even though I’m disappointed in this window, I still can’t understand anyone who criticises Levy for spending the current bubble that is TV money on solid infrastructure that will make us self-sufficient rather than just stuffing it all in the pockets of players and agents.

 

[wrd]

Even though I’m disappointed in this window, I still can’t understand anyone who criticises Levy for spending the current bubble that is TV money on solid infrastructure that will make us self-sufficient rather than just stuffing it all in the pockets of players and agents.

I think the recent supporters trust statement highlighted the fact the club raised prices and objected to their initial criticism of the price raise citing that we can't sign players and increase wages if they don't raise the costs.

 

[cliff jones]

Even though I’m disappointed in this window, I still can’t understand anyone who criticises Levy for spending the current bubble that is TV money on solid infrastructure that will make us self-sufficient rather than just stuffing it all in the pockets of players and agents.

it's not a binary choice- sign good players and we'll do a Leeds?!

 

[danielneeds]

it's not a binary choice- sign good players and we'll do a Leeds?!

I’m not saying that. I’m saying rather than churning the TV money all into recruitment, we’ve invested it so we won’t be reliant on it in the future - like many other clubs who could suffer if the money doesn’t keep coming.

 

[THX2208]

 

[cliff jones]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying rather than churning the TV money all into recruitment, we’ve invested it so we won’t be reliant on it in the future - like many other clubs who could suffer if the money doesn’t keep coming.

I heard you the first time. All businesses have to invest a little in the present and a little in the future at the same time.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Even though I’m disappointed in this window, I still can’t understand anyone who criticises Levy for spending the current bubble that is TV money on solid infrastructure that will make us self-sufficient rather than just stuffing it all in the pockets of players and agents.

I’m not saying that but there needs to be a balance, I don’t support the stadium I support the team.

Also he isn’t just spending the tv money in the stadium he is asking the fans to pay through increased prices. I think there is an unwritten compact that this would translate, at least partially, into some additional spending on the playing squad.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

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As camp as The Greatest Showman

 

[mil1lion]

Anyway, back to being positive...

 

[Krule]

I'm more than happy with the squad but I would have liked to have seen a fresh face or two just to add some depth. What puzzles me was the scenario we had when Poch said he'd had a good chat with Levy about what he needed to continue the chase for a trophy. Apparently Levy had sanctioned everything he'd asked for hence his new contract....well all I can say is he couldn't have asked for much based on transfers. I am confident of a top four finish again but beyond that I have my reservations...but that's life as a Spurs fan. Give me our style of football any day over watching someone like Man Utd play. Come on you Spurs.....

 

[coys200]

A very optimistic take but actually it is fact but use your imagination. The players below barely featured for us last season due to injury, pre season or age. So just imagine that they were with other clubs and we’d brought them in this window. Takes a bit of imagination but the fact is they didn’t feature in PL. so whether it was for actual reasons above or they were at another club is kind of irrelevant.

Winks £35m- highly talented English prospect if Cook is £30m winks must be £35m

Moura £35m - definitely think we got him on the cheap. Anderson cost £42m but has a very similar profile. In fact moura has 30 more brazil caps.

Onomah £15m- Again highly talented established England youth player WC winner. Remember he kept maitland- Niles out that England team.

Foyth £15m- Another highly rated international youth player.

KWP £12m- if you imagine we’d bought Kenny from Everton people would be excited and KWP is likely better.

Ccv £12m- Already 3 USA full caps.

Honestly think if that had been our window people would be excited. It’s just very unfortunate that 4 of those are injured when they’d probably all have featured in today’s match day squad. That’s a £125m window NET ?

 

[Tarnished]

I can understand why people would feel that way. It's tough because more and more clubs spend this way now so I'm sure you feel 'if you can't beat them join them'. We did somewhat last summer really when we got Sanchez for 40m. I don't mind that for the odd player, but when you see Fulham spend over 100m it just seems crazy now. I'm just not sure we've gone as far as we can with ENIC. I think they do give us good money to spend but it just feels we've fallen a long way from buying the prospects like Modric and Berbatov. Our transfer strategy feels more like we only really go for players who are already established so their price is sky high (Martial and Zaha for example). The Premier League money is crazy but not all leagues across Europe is like it, so with a better strategy in the window we could still get great players without spending an arm and a leg.

To find those pearls, we’ve had to eat a whole lot of oysters and it isn’t true what they say about the effect on your libido. When the big guys come along and take them away and leave you feeling like the 9 stone weakling, you’re left with an impotence that a bucket of Viagra wouldn’t cure.

We didn’t go oyster fishing this year but we didn’t get rolled over for our pearls either. I for one feel that Pochettino and Levy are continuing to mould a new way for the football world to view Tottenham - more respect - no longer pushovers on the pitch and now no longer pushovers off it.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I'm not positive about this season. In fact I don't even know why I'm in this thread!!