PSG vs Tottenham Hotspur Match Thread

[yankspurs]

One thing that slightly frustrates me in here. Why are people allowed to praise the youngsters massively but the minute someone criticises, they get told to give him time before judging. Surely if people can't form a negative opinion in 45 minutes, you can't form a positive one either.

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[BringBack_leGin]

Harsh,
Very harsh
They will all get more experience and better.
They will be paired with more experienced players;
shock some of us and surprise us all.

Ageeed.

Sadly lots of posters will perceive what fits in with their 'Levy is a ****, why isn't he buying new toys for us' agenda rather than reality.

Yes, I'd love for us to bring in a few players who improve us, but if the club decides collectively that now is the time to see if our amazing academy and training centre were worth the investment I don't see an issue.

Yeah I thought KWP was fine in both attack and defence, and consider that it was pressure for him often outnumbered on his flank. The second goal didn't look good, but we know what Poch gets his fullbacks to do on goal kicks, go (very) high and wide. We lost the ball in our third directly from it. Let's not pretend similar hasn't happened before, with the ball turned over and Walker/Rose et al stranded up pitch. It's happened before, and will happen again with the way Poch gets them to play.

It's only one game, one half at that, but I thought it was a decent enough start from him.

This. I wasn't impressed with CCV and felt Onomah struggled when wide, so I'm not blind to the mistakes of young players, but I thought KWP looked composed, confident, technically proficient and in the main aware. I would be comfortable with him backing up Trippier and being thrown in at the deep end of needs be, sometimes you need to go 'sink or swim' to learn about your young players.

 

[pffft]

Did anyone see that Jese tackle on Alli?

Yep. Jese was lucky Dier had gone off by then, otherwise he'd be very sore today.

 

[king26]

Needs a loan.

only played 45 mins of one pre season game perhaps you should work for the media

 

[fortworthspur]

wtf? I thought the game was today.

 

[thinktank]

I think last nights game puts to bed any thoughts about whether CCV, KWP and Onomah are ready for the first team. They are nowhere near ready, we definitely need a backup for Trippier, if he gets injured/suspended I shudder to think what would happen if we had to play KWP at right back for any length of time.

Nah. KWP and Onomah are ready to be involved.

CCV I'm not too sure about.

Poch needs to stop mucking about with Josh and stick him in the centre of the park. I've advocated him being wide in the past as I just wanted to see him get game time, but he simply needs to be there now.

That's where he needs to be to anchor himself into our team - he knows the game there, he feels comfortable there and his self-belief and assuredness increased two-fold when he drifted into the middle last night; you could see it.

He is itching to be unleashed there; is bursting with confidence and vitality after the world cup win and poch is simply an eejit for not instantly capitalising on that, having put him in a disjointed position in a pre-season friendly. It's inexplicable tbh.

Let him get his bearings next to wanyama or moose and then expand his game across the 3 to extract the versatility from him that you think he's capable of.

I really hope we don't fuck this up with Josh as he has got the potential to be a real beast for us in the middle.

Don't want poch to keep sticking him wide and then say he's 'not ready' after predicable luke-warm performances there and keep him languishing on the sidelines, stagnating all of that power he filled up with winning the WC.

Involve him next season - in the middle - or loan him out to a ball playing side and let him get his game going.

 

[Hot Spur]

Ageeed.

Sadly lots of posters will perceive what fits in with their 'Levy is a ****, why isn't he buying new toys for us' agenda rather than reality.

WTF are you on about? It has absolutely nothing to do with Levy, or any agenda. It's about what I see, and what I saw was 2 PSG goals which came about due to errors by CCV and KWP, both were out of position. Both PSG goals came from our right flank, the one CCV and KWP were supposed to be defending. They made other mistakes too but those were not punished due to inaccurate finishing. The reality is that Poch doesn't think KWP is ready for first team either, otherwise he wouldn't want a replacement for Walker as ITK have stated.

 

[Ben1]

Whether KWP is ready or not, I really don't know how you all know he is. Maybe you're all watching every youth game, but I, and I guess most people, have seen 45 friendly minutes in which defending was a disaster (great on the ball) and a few games for England under 20s, where the standard wasn't the highest.ready or not everyone seems ridiculously confident.

 

[Goldman]

wtf? I thought the game was today.

It was. 1AM.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

WTF are you on about? It has absolutely nothing to do with Levy, or any agenda. It's about what I see, and what I saw was 2 PSG goals which came about due to errors by CCV and KWP, both were out of position. Both PSG goals came from our right flank, the one CCV and KWP were supposed to be defending. They made other mistakes too but those were not punished due to inaccurate finishing. The reality is that Poch doesn't think KWP is ready for first team either, otherwise he wouldn't want a replacement for Walker as ITK have stated.

The first goal was nothing to do with KWP. Whilst he wasn't faultless for the second, blaming him for it shows a bit of a lack of understanding for what Pochettino desires from his full-backs. Yes if he was a bit more experienced, or had Toby in his ear instead of CCV he'd maybe have reacted a bit quicker to the danger but there was nothing wrong with his initial position - it's literally the exact starting position Pochettino wants from his right-back when his keeper has the ball.

 

[coys200]

This tour will be a massive learning curve for KWP he will be facing psg Roma city juve ,all elite European clubs.He will never have faced anything like this in his life.If he comes through this tour in one piece ,then imo he is ready as back up for Brighton away .I pretty much think that is poch thinking,if he crumbles then we will buy a RB no doubt.For me so far so good,

 

[Bus-Conductor]

One thing that slightly frustrates me in here. Why are people allowed to praise the youngsters massively but the minute someone criticises, they get told to give him time before judging. Surely if people can't form a negative opinion in 45 minutes, you can't form a positive one either.

If anyone over hypes youngsters they are treated the same way anyone who criticises them unfairly.

Saying KWP wasn't foot perfect yesterday is fine, saying it would be a catastrophe if he we went into the season with him as back up based on yesterday is fucking silly.

All anyone wants to see is a bit of common sense applied to praise and criticism.

 

[Ben1]

If anyone over hypes youngsters they are treated the same way anyone who criticises them unfairly.

Saying KWP wasn't foot perfect yesterday is fine, saying it would be a catastrophe if he we went into the season with him as back up based on yesterday is fucking silly.

All anyone wants to see is a bit of common sense applied to praise and criticism.

As with most things in football, sport and life in general, the truth lies somewhere in the middle ground.

 

[coys200]

The first goal was nothing to do with KWP. Whilst he wasn't faultless for the second, blaming him for it shows a bit of a lack of understanding for what Pochettino desires from his full-backs. Yes if he was a bit more experienced, or had Toby in his ear instead of CCV he'd maybe have reacted a bit quicker to the danger but there was nothing wrong with his initial position - it's literally the exact starting position Pochettino wants from his right-back when his keeper has the ball.

Actually just looked at 2nd goal again.And really don't think KWP is to blame at all.Have no idea what Ccv is doing but he was playing 3 players onside KWP had no chance to get back at all,for me both goals were down to Ccv.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Yeah I thought KWP was fine in both attack and defence, and consider that it was pressure for him often outnumbered on his flank. The second goal didn't look good, but we know what Poch gets his fullbacks to do on goal kicks, go (very) high and wide. We lost the ball in our third directly from it. Let's not pretend similar hasn't happened before, with the ball turned over and Walker/Rose et al stranded up pitch. It's happened before, and will happen again with the way Poch gets them to play.

It's only one game, one half at that, but I thought it was a decent enough start from him.

My thoughts as well, but for me CVV is a problem. He was caught out a few times last season and especially in that Cup game against a poor forward line. I can't understand that with Wimmer and if needed Dier available Poch does not send CVV out on loan for a season. At times last night he looked way off the pace, lost concentration and lacked positional sense at times and looked woefully slow.

I don't doubt that Poch can improve him, but where he gets a game in this side i just do not know.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

WTF are you on about? It has absolutely nothing to do with Levy, or any agenda. It's about what I see, and what I saw was 2 PSG goals which came about due to errors by CCV and KWP, both were out of position. Both PSG goals came from our right flank, the one CCV and KWP were supposed to be defending. They made other mistakes too but those were not punished due to inaccurate finishing. The reality is that Poch doesn't think KWP is ready for first team either, otherwise he wouldn't want a replacement for Walker as ITK have stated.

I'm on about the fact that anybody who watched KWP yesterday and managed to miss his accurate passing, composed ball work, brave positioning and intelligent link up play, and focuses on him being out of position once (In a system which necessitates full backs being out of position) is clearly not watching him objectively.

When the above comes from posters who have a history of bemoaning our transfer policy (despite the fantastic improvements we've made as a club), my eventual assumption is easy to make. I haven't mentioned any names, nor will I, it's your prerogative if you think my comment was aimed at you or if you feel insulted.

I don't think I've ever actually posted anything to you in the football section of this site, only on the old sexiest male competition, so I'm not sure where your indignance comes from.

Also, I was critical of both CCV and Onomah, so my praise of KWP isn't based on anything other than feeling he coped well and, in a position where players get up to speed more easily, I feel there is enough there to build on without replacing Walker. I may be wrong, but it isn't an outrageous view. And if Pochettino was so committed to a new right back coming in before testing out KWP then he'd be black and white about it, as he always has been regarding playing personnel.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

only played 45 mins of one pre season game perhaps you should work for the media

He played a full game last season against Wycombe, and looked well off the pace. A loan would be the ideal thing for him. Didn't seem to do Kane and Rose any harm now did it?

 

[Ben1]

He played a full game last season against Wycombe, and looked well off the pace. A loan would be the ideal thing for him. Didn't seem to do Kane and Rose any harm now did it?

People forget that there is little to no evidence of the non loan system working just yet. Rose, Kane and before them walker, mason, Townsend have had a strong career off the back of it. Even alli was pre sharpened in the lower leagues. A loan shouldn't be seen as a punishment or failure from anyone.

 

[Khilari]

This. I wasn't impressed with CCV and felt Onomah struggled when wide, so I'm not blind to the mistakes of young players, but I thought KWP looked composed, confident, technically proficient and in the main aware. I would be comfortable with him backing up Trippier and being thrown in at the deep end of needs be, sometimes you need to go 'sink or swim' to learn about your young players.

This is Pochettino's philosophy. Something the Chelsea's, Man City's and Man Utd's of the world don't (don't have to?) do.

Play the youth. They will make mistakes. They will lead to us dropping points. But they will be better for it and on the whole, improve our squad over time, so we don't have to spend £150m and still not guarantee a trophy.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

This was KWP's first start, we need to remember that. And it was against top quality opposition. Ccv is a bit of a worry for me but again hasn't played much football, and same with Onomah being played out of position.

It's all good and we'll with them training with the first team but they need to be playing regularly to get some rhythm. So I think Poch needs to decide and possibly rethink his strategy on loans. I don't think it benefits a player at all to train for the season and only play 2 or 3 games. Maybe short term loans to local clubs in the football league might help. Not sure what's the answer but imo they need to play