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WexfordTownSpur

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Aug 2, 2007
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Whilst you have fans who shit themselves and post OTT bollocks at the first sign of weakness, equally there are those who try far too hard to be a better supporter than the rest and bury their heads in the sand as to any issues and then if things don't turn out so well just ignore it - for instance it was only a few days ago that a few on here were confidently stating that all was fine and there was no way we could lose to West Brom......

Personally I think it is on a knife edge, going on the evidence of what we have seen in the last half a dozen games. We are more than capable of securing the couple of results that we need to get over the line, the balance of probability may even still be in our favour, but the evidence and certain things don't look good. We're currently in no form whatsoever, even recent wins (Stoke, Watford) have been really unconvincing, and have no momentum. The intensity to our play has gone, and several players give the impression with their play of being knackered. Maybe, hopefully, they can find one last big effort to finish the season strongly and reach our goals, but we've all been waiting for that for about four games now and it hasn't happened so I can understand why some might be really concerned at this point. Once that intensity has been lost, it's hard to flick it back on like a switch.

Thank you for those words of sanity
 

E17yid

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Well argued. Im convinced

I was genuinely curious. I take it you weren’t.

Guess it’s a lot easier to ignore the fact the fans aren’t the ones on the pitch, nor the manager in control of tactics, strategy, belief etc etc.

But above all else these are professional athletes, I think you put far to much weight on how much influence any fans can ha e over their mindset. They didn’t get to where they are by being precious.

The best thing about a hostile environment (though it obviously can put off opposition players and lift your team) is the effect it has on officials.

Our players aren’t sitting at home reading our various bed shitters saying “oh I can’t be bothered, our own fans are a bunch of pussies so I think we’ll sack this off” or do you think this is a deep rooted, subconscious problem that leaks from the the fans to the players?
 

shoggy33

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Feb 25, 2007
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To an extent, but how does that extend to us bottling games away from home then when we have one of the best away followings in the league? If the players play with urgency on weds I'm sure the crowd will respond.

Yeh it obviously goes both ways, but how do you think the atmosphere will be if we are 2-0 up and Newcastle score? The atmosphere is only part of it anyway, there just seems to be a sense of inevitability that we will cock it up and that translates onto the pitch
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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I guess this sums it up for me. A Gooner “acquaintance” of mine, won’t say friend! Set me an audio message on social the other day, and it sang two songs! “10 points and you fucked it up” and “ you did it again, you did it again, Tottenham Hotspur you did it again”
Just Fucking hate it. Spurs players please buck up your ideas and don’t do this to your fans again!
Just point out to this acquaintance that it's pretty funny that the only thing he has to celebrate is the achievement of another team ( that they haven't even achieved yet)

And how can a Gooner laugh at us for bottling anything?, they bottled the Premier League yet again, and they bottled the Europa, after playing against 10 men for one entire leg.

No offence to you but you must hang about with some utter morons.
 

shoggy33

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I was genuinely curious. I take it you weren’t.

Guess it’s a lot easier to ignore the fact the fans aren’t the ones on the pitch, nor the manager in control of tactics, strategy, belief etc etc.

But above all else these are professional athletes, I think you put far to much weight on how much influence any fans can ha e over their mindset. They didn’t get to where they are by being precious.

The best thing about a hostile environment (though it obviously can put off opposition players and lift your team) is the effect it has on officials.

Our players aren’t sitting at home reading our various bed shitters saying “oh I can’t be bothered, our own favs are a bunch of oysters so I think we’ll sack this off” or do you think this is a deep rooted, subconscious problem that leaks from the the fans to the players?

Yeh in some ways i do. Psychology and momentum are absolutely enormous in sport, and i dont think you can overlook the impact tens of thousands of fans can have on those things. By the way this isnt criticism, cant really blame anyone for feeling that way. I just feel that it cant just be down to players and managers, give that our legends reputation goes back a couple of decades
 

Lighty64

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Aug 24, 2010
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I’m not sure Poch and his “ me or another “ would demotivate the players but definitely it wouldn’t have helped. Reminded me a little of how he was forever talking about catching Leicester and then appeared disinterested in coming second. Only there is more at stake this time.

I know Poch should shoulder some blame, but the players are the 1's that need to shoulder it also. they ae the ones that lost at home to Southampton, and away to Newcastle that year. I'm sure once it was over he told them to down tools, or we wouldn't of gone ahead of Southampton, or at 2-0 down tried to get back in at Newcastle.

he is responsible for telling the players their jobs, but unfortunately he doesn't operate them when on the pitch by remote control
 

Lighty64

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As I said back in April:

“WBA are unbeaten in their last 3, including victory over Utd at Old Trafford and drawing with Liverpool. We’ve drawn 4 of our last 5 league games against them, and not won at the Hawthorns in 3 years. This is our hardest game left.”

And this:

“St Totteringhams Day? It would be deliciously small time to Lord it over Arsenal then not qualify for champions league.”

A lot of people were taking this game way too lightly and I couldn’t understand why. There’s quite nothing like Spurs fans and hubris, refusing to accept things we do time and again.

As for those saying it’s still a foregone conclusion as both remaining games are at ‘home’, again I refer you back to April:

“We’ve won one of our last 5 games against Leicester, have already lost to them this season and haven’t beaten them at home for 3 years. We’ve lost 3 of our last 5 games against Newcastle, 2 of them at home (including last season).”

guess what Newcastle haven't lost at home to Chelsea since 2011/12 or doesn't that count
 

dimiSpur

There's always next year...
Aug 9, 2008
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There's only one thing for certain. We need 4 points to clinch CL qualification, and IF we are to make it, we will do so by getting exactly 4 points in the nerviest of manner. We do nothing in a nice, calm, simple fashion.
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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Yeh in some ways i do. Psychology and momentum are absolutely enormous in sport, and i dont think you can overlook the impact tens of thousands of fans can have on those things. By the way this isnt criticism, cant really blame anyone for feeling that way. I just feel that it cant just be down to players and managers, give that our legends reputation goes back a couple of decades

It’s definitely a factor but it’s pretty minor really.

Hopefully this shit is sorted out in the new stadium by having the white wall.
 
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And more people like you, Shady, and more people like you. :woot:

We just need more people. Loads, loads more people.
We only need one of you Scat, you're that guy. Shame we have a bunch of that guys though ...

The tallest blade of grass is the surest to be cut.
 

Lighty64

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If we are to miss out on the top four it would be somewhat poetic justice. We have cruised our way through far too many matches this season, perhaps thinking we're better than we actually are.

We keep being told that we're 'building something'. That the 'future is bright, success is just around the corner'. That winning the Premier League and/or Champions League is our target, not the FA Cup. Well, guess what? Another season has passed and we've won the grand sum of nothing, yet again.

All of this at the same time Levy has decided off the back of two decent seasons (not successful ones) to charge extortionate Season Ticket prices (mine has gone up 40% - FORTY!) for 19 League matches. Oh, and to top it all off we'll happily stand aside and let one of the best centre halves in the world walk away from the Club because we refuse to pay our players the going rate. A year after letting the best RB in the country swan off to Manchester City to win the Double. Our players must be enthralled by the current 'project'.

yep we lost a Semi final our 2nd 1 in consecutive seasons, both against teams that where having better seasons than us. Perhaps we should of fielded a lot stronger teams v Newport and Rochdale, but you would of been 1 of the 1st to moan if it ruled a player out for the season, or if that player looked fucked and fucked up in the next league match

perhaps he should of charged you a lot more while at Wembley, and increased it by 80% for the NWHL so he could afford to pay what Toby now wants, on top of paying off the stadium. if he increased Toby's wages up to the £150k he wanted from 50k, then surely the other 24 players in our squad deserve a 200% increase, because believe it or not, until our recent run we had got up to 4th without Toby and in the 2 games he has played we have only gained 1pt.

Another fan from the east stand moaning, yet never moaned he had 1 of the cheapest seats when the stand opposite was paying double what you was forever. if you didn't want such an increase and support Spurs you should of sat somewhere else to keep the increase down
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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Whilst you have fans who shit themselves and post OTT bollocks at the first sign of weakness, equally there are those who try far too hard to be a better supporter than the rest and bury their heads in the sand as to any issues and then if things don't turn out so well just ignore it - for instance it was only a few days ago that a few on here were confidently stating that all was fine and there was no way we could lose to West Brom......

Personally I think it is on a knife edge, going on the evidence of what we have seen in the last half a dozen games. We are more than capable of securing the couple of results that we need to get over the line, the balance of probability may even still be in our favour, but the evidence and certain things don't look good. We're currently in no form whatsoever, even recent wins (Stoke, Watford) have been really unconvincing, and have no momentum. The intensity to our play has gone, and several players give the impression with their play of being knackered. Maybe, hopefully, they can find one last big effort to finish the season strongly and reach our goals, but we've all been waiting for that for about four games now and it hasn't happened so I can understand why some might be really concerned at this point. Once that intensity has been lost, it's hard to flick it back on like a switch.


We've also thrown the door wide open for Chelsea. If the results had been reversed (i.e. we beat Liverpool and Chelsea lose to WBA) we'd be laughing ourselves stupid. Give Chelsea a bit of momentum like we just did and I think they'll hit the mark in their remaining games. We can't afford any mistakes but we're on a run of making them.
 

Lighty64

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I'm shitting it. Big time. It would be different if we'd been playing well but we really haven't. How the fuck did we end up here?

Man C, Brighton and WBA didn't read the script, or where they meant to just rollover. all 3 of those teams had something to play for, and did their jobs, and had it not been for Forster at the weekend so would we of.

yep we played shit v Watford but still won 2-0
 

Lighty64

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What's done is done so far, last few weeks has put us in a precarious position and there's no point complaining about it now as that won't help with what we've got to do.

Everyone has to be up.for these two games, players, fans....

If we get our high energy pressing game back we'll do it. Poch has a responsibility though to ensure we set the right tempo from the off on Wednesday evening.

that's the thing that has dropped, and towards the end of a very busy season, which has had a good few injuries included in it and most probably what is taking it's toll now. what will be needed on Wednesday night is an atmosphere like a European night at the old WHL, that atmosphere will give the players that extra energy, an atmosphere like Watford and they won't even know they have the backing from the crowd
 

John48

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Man C, Brighton and WBA didn't read the script, or where they meant to just rollover. all 3 of those teams had something to play for, and did their jobs, and had it not been for Forster at the weekend so would we of.

yep we played shit v Watford but still won 2-0

MCity is almost acceptable, but the other 2 should have been wins, but our performances both collectively & individually were poor, giving both Brighton & WBA the incentive they needed to get something out of the games. If we'd played as we had done 2 or 3 months earlier I believe we would have won these games.
 

coys200

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Personally I think if we beat Newcastle it’s done. Just psychologically we will then be 3rd and 2 pts at least ahead of chelsea and Liverpool. Imo one of the other 2 will slip up last game. The pressure will really be on the other 2 especially Liverpool where as we could get away with a draw. For Liverpool it would be a disaster, plus hopefully hughton will make sure they are on it if he knows he could do us a favour.
 

SpursDave88

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Aug 31, 2012
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Personally I think if we beat Newcastle it’s done. Just psychologically we will then be 3rd and 2 pts at least ahead of chelsea and Liverpool. Imo one of the other 2 will slip up last game. The pressure will really be on the other 2 especially Liverpool where as we could get away with a draw. For Liverpool it would be a disaster, plus hopefully hughton will make sure they are on it if he knows he could do us a favour.

Annoyingly if we'd have held out for a point against West Brom we could have sealed CL football on Wednesday.
 

Lighty64

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It is clear, if we win these last 2 games or get the 4 points and finish top 4, I will be absolutely delighted and there will be a number of us who deserve criticism for being too anxious (me included)

What I would like to know, is these people who are not worried, what will happen to them if we don't make it?

The amount of Spam I got after the Man City game about risk to top 4 and its not done yet, but look at the position we got ourselves into.

I hope we win our last 2 games and get 3rd, would love nothing more but those under estimating these matches need a wake up call, both these sides have had our number over the last few years, we need the lads to be on it from the first minute, start with a win on Wed and then worry about sunday

COYS - we can 100% do this but we need the players to show the same passion as some of us fans arguing with each other these last few days, all because we care, do the players care enough - we will know this time next week.

Oh I'll be gutted, as I really believe we need CL football in the NWHL. I'd of rathered we played Brighton with our strongest XI and hoped the FA Cup match would fall in our favour.

but I will be really annoyed with Man C, Brighton and WBA for not letting us win.

I know we played badly v City, or was it that City where just to good like they have been most of the season

I would of rather played a stronger team v Brighton and even rotated v City

I will be angry that Ben Forster got his head in the way, of Kane's shot, in a game we lost due to an offside goal, in a game we totally dominated, but will give credit to WBA for doing what they needed to do, and that was try and stop us scoring. we tried to win the match, but WBA did their jobs, and we failed to score with any of our 5 efforts.

I will be gutted and annoyed that either or both Newcastle and Leicester decide to turn up against us, but couldn't be bothered in games that effected other teams seasons.

I bet they will be gutted if it goes wrong, because their end of season bonus will go down massively if it's only EL next season, and their wages will be less next season if Levy doesn't sell them
 
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