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Ramos Tactics...What have you noticed???

C0YS

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Well I can only go from my memory and I distinctly remember being irritated time and again by Jol playing Steed on the right and Lennon on the left - I vividly remember shouting at the TV screen and also complaining to the wife about it :)

So far Ramos hasn't done this and I haven't been screaming about it - instead I've been saying well done to our manager for playing them the 'right way round'

That's the way I remember it anyhow - as for the future we'll see - of course there will be times when Lennon will pop up on the left maybe for a sustained period - I'll just judge how it works when it happens.

It didn't go too well v Wigan, but TT wasn't performing at all on the left so it was a decent move and got a lot more from TT. But steed has looked so much better since he's consistently been played on left the by JR.

all Im saying is, just you wait Ramos will play lennon on the left with steed on the right
 

GDG

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Berbatov and Keanes roles reversed.
I liked that against Wigan - how much space did Berbs find and how much damage did he do with that space? Loads. Admittedly Titus Bramble is one of the worst centre backs ever to grace the Premier League, but Berbs caused havoc playing deeper and looked like he was really enjoying himself.

Ramos wouldn't have joined a 14th place team.

Ain't that the truth. :roll: We were 18th when Ramos arrived, with only one win all season. Now we're a 14th place team and the only way is up, baby, for you and me now.
 

DC_Boy

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all Im saying is, just you wait Ramos will play lennon on the left with steed on the right

fair enough COYS :) and when that happens naturally I hope it works, but I'm not convinced it will - we'll see :)
 

chrissivad

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Berbatov and Keanes roles reversed.

It has taken them long enough. How long have some of us said this sould happen....

Berbatov has always looked better when he has more control on the game. Getting the ball and then picking up runs from players around him or trying to work an opening himself.

I still dont think there is a huge change at the moment, but it will show at somepoint.
 

worcestersauce

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The problem with a thread like ths is that it can easily turn into a "why ramos is better than Jol" thread and some people have taken it that way.

The title is "Ramos tacics what have you noticed?"
Well I've noticed changes without a doubt, whether they end up improving us or not only time will tell but there have been changes, not least of which is Robinson rolling or throwing the ball out rather than kicking it every time, he does this because there are options for him to do so and from there it is moved on to the midfield which may be why Jenas was much more involved against Wigan.
This may also draw the opposing defenders out leaving space behind for Lennon to exploit.

That said Lennons goal was off the back of a Robinson long pass.
 

yanno

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Berbatov and Keanes roles reversed.

More energy in the middle, and when they start to flag a change is made.

Defending higher.

More forward movement from midfield. Not much, but definately more.

All very Sevilla! Gerry Armstrong commented many times on how Kanoute would sometimes play a bit deeper with the faster Luis Fabiano or Kerzakhov ahead of him. It also meant Kanoute could link the play as runners got beyond him.

Keano is in the best goal-scoring form of his life, and will surely stay in the team whilst his confidence and contribution to the team are so high. But, logically, if Berba is going to play a little deeper, then the faster Bent or Defoe are the natural choices as the out-and-out striker.

Similarly, once the matches start coming thick and fast, and Ramos has drilled his tactics firmly into the squad, I fully expect to see at least one of our CMs getting a 60-minute high-tempo, run your heart out shift, before a prearranged replacement for the last half-hour. And in this context, the ITK that Ramos sees the Hud as a CB, not a CM, is intriguing.
 

dirtydave

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we still look shaky at the back.

robbo stilll boots it long - but now berbs has woken up it might be a good thing, if anything this has increased since ramos took over.

kaboul is still headless and clearly has no positional discipline.

lennon looks bright.

steed is still up there with keane as this seasons most consistant performer.

i suspect jj may be being worked on to see what he can do before the opening of the transfer window.

chimbo is on a knife edge and i dont think the hudd or zoks will be starting much come jan...
 

worcestersauce

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Hi Worcester - we've scored 2 goals in 4 games under JR through Robbo's long kicks - both under MJ & JR it's one of our best tactics (used correctly of course0

Couldn't agree more DC and a much underestimated tactic it is too.

The strength is that Robbo is possibly the best in the world at it, he can kick the length of the field to where the forward wants it, a pass rather than a hoof, Hopefully we will keep it in our play, the opposition won't know when it's going to come though.
 

chrissivad

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Couldn't agree more DC and a much underestimated tactic it is too.

The strength is that Robbo is possibly the best in the world at it, he can kick the length of the field to where the forward wants it, a pass rather than a hoof, Hopefully we will keep it in our play, the opposition won't know when it's going to come though.

But its not just down to Robbo, there have been a few times he looks around before hoofing it up feild. If there is noone giving him an option at the back then the best thing to do is to hit it long :shrug:
 

worcestersauce

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But its not just down to Robbo, there have been a few times he looks around before hoofing it up feild. If there is noone giving him an option at the back then the best thing to do is to hit it long :shrug:

Thats right Chris, I said that in my original post I think that's one of the tactical changes that have been introduced, he's doing it less now because he's getting other options.
 

double0

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Under Ramos the opposition hasn't been anything to shout about.

From what I've noticed though since Ramos, is our work off the ball. It seems that the players are chasing and closing down space much more quicker but is that because of Ramos technical knowledge? or the players putting in more effect to impress a new manager. I think a few more games are needed especially against stronger opp.
 

N10toN17

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I've noticed set pieces look better, we seem to be marking the oppo tighter on our defensive corners and we seem to have some actual plans for our attacking set pieces, the obvious being Dawson coming near post for flick ons.

As a defensive unit we seem to be playing higher up the park and in the last couple of games we were hunting down the ball much better, to get it back, forwards helping much more in this aspect.

Still too early to say how much improvement Ramos will bring, but I've a feeling we'll start to win more games comfortably, getting a 2 goal lead is his mantra and one I approve of, rather than sitting back as the inevitable 90 minute equaliser goes in.
 

WhiteHart4Ever

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I like the tactical changes he has made....

We defend higher up the pitch meaning less 25 yard pop shots at our goal which flew in 9 time out of 10..Ok Luke Young but you would tell him too shoot from there 99 times out of 100..Taken the pressure off Robbo.Do fear the lack of pace of Dawson in this system though.

We are organised at set pieces now..i know when havent been properly tested but there doesnt seem the panic under Ramos than there was under Jol. Attacking set pieces now have a bit of imagination...a couple of near post flicks on Dawson for the others to attack back post. Most games are decided on set pieces so this is a massive positive.

We are alot more compact with and without the ball. Jol liked to make the pitch big which is great when you have the ball but without it your wide open..the goals conceded was no real surprise...our players our closer together and can now close down in packs.

In possession we now play a quicker tempo mainly 2 touch football with nice little one twos and it helps us get 4 or 5 people in the box for the cross..Under Jol i noticed the ball into JJ and Zokora slowed the play down...Next time Spurs play watch how quickly JJ gets rid of it and gets forward....the JJ chance for the hattrick against Wigan..5 players involved in 15 yards with one touch football...lovely to watch and horrible to play against...Under Jol it was 2 in the box at the most...im amazing we scored many goals under Jol to be honest.

Our wingers attack the back post which we never did under Jol...Watch the likes of Lennon Bale and Steed get more goals.

The increased fitness is noticable too...the fitter you are the longer you can use your skills and technique...Wigan are a poor team but we played for about 70 minutes at the weekend..Things are looking up in my opinion!!!

guess youve already have some responses, but I didnt bother to read them.. First of all, Ramos has not done much. He has picked the team Jol would have picked (boateng a possible exception), and we play more or less the same. It is just too early to really make an impact.

At least attacking. We played some really excellent attacking football under Jol, and there is not much new to it. One difference might be Jenas coming from midfield to get in the box - but it was the same thing against Derby. However, both Berba and Jenas seem to have woken up from a very heavy sleep...

In defence, however, you are right to some extent. Jol was an excellent coach at attacking play, but from what I could see he knew very little about defence. We do defend higher up the pitch, with midfield and defence working closer together. This means we can close players down much more effectively, which has been our achilles heal (is this really english?) for the last couple of seasons. Furthermore, I am sure he is working very hard on convincing Dawson to stop man-marking and defend in zones. .. We will see a much more organized Spurs in defence.

I like what I've seen from Spurs under Ramos so far, but there is so much more to come.....

COME ON YOU SPURS!
 

nicdic

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How do you expect him to pick a different team? He has the same players. The way they are playing is better though. Closing down and defending higher up the pitch is a big change, and so is chasing a second goal instead of sitting back. They were Jol's biggest pitfalls, along with the complete lack of movement in the team. This is just a taster of what is to come I think.
 

Juande_Ramos

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Under Ramos the opposition hasn't been anything to shout about.

From what I've noticed though since Ramos, is our work off the ball. It seems that the players are chasing and closing down space much more quicker but is that because of Ramos technical knowledge? or the players putting in more effect to impress a new manager. I think a few more games are needed especially against stronger opp.

To put is bluntly. It is because one manager cares about it and will bench anyone who's not willing to do it, and the other was too laid back on that or lacked the authority to push the players to do it. You haven't seen anything yet. Expect the team to press much harder than they are doing now once their fitness levels are better.
 

C0YS

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hey ramos, how have you changed your tactics, from jol, btw I loved and still love jol, and I think I share the same view with many SC'ers
 
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