Ratings v WBA

Discussion in 'Match Ratings Archive' started by Strikeb4ck, Sep 21, 2014.

MOTM?

  1. Lloris

    28.7%
  2. Dier

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Kaboul

    1.9%
  4. Chiriches

    1.9%
  5. Rose

    22.3%
  6. Capoue

    15.3%
  7. Dembele

    2.5%
  8. Lamela

    14.6%
  9. Eriksen

    4.5%
  10. Chadli

    0.6%
  11. Adebayor

    0 vote(s)
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  12. Lennon

    2.5%
  13. Paulinho

    2.5%
  14. Soldado

    2.5%
  1. jezz

    jezz Well-Known Member

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    You do realise we have a new manager?
     
  2. phil

    phil Well-Known Member

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    That was as poor a performance as any under AVB or Sherwood. Only a single shot on goal in 90 minutes is just not good enough. There was a lack of pace and urgency, little invention and no leadership. I would also have hoped that, after 3 months in charge, Pochettino would have addressed our frailties against set pieces. Even with all 10 outfield players back against 7 attackers, we still conspired to leave Morrison unmarked.

    Nor should we be surprised by the performance. Whilst most of our rivals strengthened their teams during the transfer window, we were content to add a few fringe players. Both Schneiderlin and Mussachio would have strengthened the team and provided much needed leadership on the pitch. Instead we went for the cheaper options in Fazio and Stambouli. IMO I doubt if either will ever become a Premiership regular. We also failed to bring in another striker. If reports are to be believed, Bony was available at a reasonable price.

    Lloris 6 - O.k. but distribution poor
    Dier 5 - Not a full-back. We badly miss Walker.
    Kaboul 5 - Must be a nightmare partnering Chiriches
    Chiriches 1 - Bizarre decision to start Chiriches instead of Vertonghen. Chiriches can't defend.
    Rose 6.5 - Easily our best defender
    Capoue 6 - O.k.
    Dembele 5 - Ineffective
    Chadli 6 - The only player to make intelligent runs
    Eriksen 6 - The only player to create anything. Poor delivery from set pieces.
    Lamela 5 - O.k. for the first twenty minutes but anonymous thereafter. Lost Morrison for the goal but shouldn't have been the marker.
    Adebayor 2 - We have the AVB Adebayor back! Glaring miss in the first half and poor movement throughout.

    Soldado 4 - Meh
    Paulinho 3 - Meh
    Lennon NET

    The one bright spot is that we will be playing far fewer games on a Sunday next season.
     
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  3. Joeyboey

    Joeyboey Well-Known Member

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    shit
     
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  4. Wellspurs

    Wellspurs Well-Known Member

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    At last a bit of optimism, you really do think we will make the top 4 then?
     
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  5. HodisGawd

    HodisGawd Active Member

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    From where I was standing ( oppps, sitting) this was exactly what happened. Subbing Dembele was the key moment. A big - if understandable - mistake.
     
  6. jezz

    jezz Well-Known Member

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    New signings not making it after how many games? insightful.
     
  7. stemark44

    stemark44 Well-Known Member

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    You do realise we are Spurs.....we always have a new manager!
     
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  8. stemark44

    stemark44 Well-Known Member

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    Who you talking about Dier, Davies,Fazio and Strambouli?
     
  9. jezz

    jezz Well-Known Member

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    The latter 2
     
  10. JUSTINSIGNAL

    JUSTINSIGNAL Well-Known Member

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    I really don't understand comments like this. We've lost one match today. We played badly. It happens to every single team on earth. Why make such a grandiose statement that pours scorn on our whole direction as a club?
     
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  11. JUSTINSIGNAL

    JUSTINSIGNAL Well-Known Member

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    Everton, Liverpool and Man Utd all 'strengthened' their teams but lost to Crystal Palace, West Ham and Leicester. How do you explain this?
     
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  12. stemark44

    stemark44 Well-Known Member

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    Have you been on holidays for the past month or so?
    We have had a number of poor performances this season already.
     
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  13. JUSTINSIGNAL

    JUSTINSIGNAL Well-Known Member

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    Have you been on holiday? Did you miss the performances against Sunderland? QPR? in the Europa league?

    Are you willing to give our new manager longer than 5 league games before you write off the direction he's taking the club?
     
  14. stemark44

    stemark44 Well-Known Member

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    My problem is not with the manager but the person who is scouting and buying the sub standard players that we currently find clogging up our squad.
    These players have been shit under 3 managers now.
     
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  15. mpickard2087

    mpickard2087 Fantastic Member

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    I've been thinking about the ratings threads recently, and how early days under a new manager that forensic analysis is probably a waste of time seeing as it will take time for ideas to be put across and for the performances to click. However, a result, and of more concern the performance, today and I find myself dragged back in to essay writing once more...

    I don't know where you start with such a disaster. Right from the outset we barely had any control and gifted West Brom numerous openings. We couldn't complain that they eventually punished us. Individually I though the two fullbacks and Lloris were the only ones that had ok games, the rest were well below par.

    There seemed a real lethargy to our game, and its puzzling to know why. The Europa League cannot be used as an excuse, given none of those who started also started on Thursday. Most didn't travel. We just didn't seem at all bothered, with or without the ball. Our movement was atrocious and lazy, and there was absolutely minimal pressing. Even someone like Lamela took half hour to start chasing things. As a collective it was completely unacceptable.

    I was also tearing my hair out at our attempts to play football throughout the game. If I see much more of that I am going to take an active dislike to it. For starters, and as I have mentioned across a few threads this afternoon, we overcomplicate things far too much. Players are faffing around and taking every (wrong) opportunity to look flash whenever the ball comes to their feet, without achieving anything. Whether that be Dembele trying to take someone on 15,000 times, Lamela rolling his foot over the ball and doing his shimmy's and feint's, or Eriksen and Adebayor taking far too long and far too many touches to release the ball, a lot of it is pointless and doesn't aid our play whatsoever. There needs to be a wholesale attitude change. Get the ball, control it, pass it, move so you are in a position to receive it again. Short, sharp and at tempo.

    And as always the movement needs to be far better. Too many players stood around, too many players run to the same areas. No one tries to stretch the play. No one runs in behind... I wont go on any more about it. I have been for years, no doubt I will still be in the years to come. You just cannot though be playing slow, static football in front of the opposition, it wont get a team anywhere.

    We really do lack someone who drives the play on and can be relied on to be the hub that everything goes through. Either in centre midfield or at No.10 position. I am still really non-plussed with Eriksen and Lamela despite their plaudits so far this season. Now before I get negged to oblivion they are clearly good players who have quality, but I have to say that I think a lot of people are being fooled by eye-catching, flash stuff that hints at potential and masks the fact that the actual output is not exactly stellar. Too many bad decisions, too often the ball is coughed up and too inconsistent. I know they are both young, but the roles they have we are going to need one of them to step up to the plate on a consistent basis. Whether that will happen...

    It was also abundantly clear again today that we lack leaders, and more importantly organisers out on the pitch. Countless times a Spurs player rushed a clearance when he had time, or played himself into trouble, or someone was stood in space yet not demanding the ball... Where is the communication? Sunday League players manage it, why can Premier League? Again, basic shit that should be a given yet it isn't and once more, making things harder for ourselves...

    We also seem no closer to some effective set pieces more than once in a blue moon. Crap delivery as always trying the same old whipped in routine. How about we just go back to basics, and chip it into a good area for our numerous 6ft+ players to attack hey?

    I have some tactical concerns and things that I think need to be addressed ASAP. We have a severe lack of pace up top. This needs rectifying in one of the four forward positions. We just cannot hurt teams. Also on the right hand side we don't have a lot of width and that makes our play a bit predictable. The best possession teams, Barca when they were at their best etc, would have width right and left as an out ball to stretch the play and to try and get in behind and possibly allow room in the central areas. Our play is too clogged up in my opinion by comparison and we need width on both sides.

    I'm also struggling to see how Adebayor is going to fit in currently, it seems he is being told to stay up top more and we know from previous that when this happens and he is out of the game he stops offering much. He needs to be coming short, linking play and others going beyond him. I don't know what the solution is, Soldado I think would have much the same problems. Until we start getting players in and around the striker, better movement and runs and trying to stretch teams rather than play in front of them this will be a continuous problem.

    Poch didn't impress me with the subs. No-one had a good game but to keep taking off central midfielders left us even more a mess in my opinion, and the last sub... Why not take off Dier (or put Chiriches out of his misery and move Eric inside) and just stick Lennon on the right hand side? For me it was a bit strange.

    Time to work your magic Poch...

    Individuals:

    Lloris - Couple of smart saves. Must be painful having the best seat in the house watching the clusterfuck in front of him.

    Dier - Did ok, out of position so wont fault him for not offering much with the ball but the right hand side needs sorting ASAP.

    Kaboul - Nowhere near the force of old, but ok... Especially compared to his partner.

    Chiriches - Just disastrous throughout. That was Doherty/Gardner level bad. Fuck expanding any further on that horror show.

    Rose - As I said earlier in the thread, I thought he was maybe our best outfield player. There were a few mistakes but he at least drove forward with the ball and showed a bit of urgency and intent, something that seemed alien to the rest of them.

    Capoue - Not massively impressive in my eyes. Broke up play well a couple of times but thought he didn't screen the back four that well at times and he never really stamped his authority on the game.

    Dembele - Back to his infuriating worse to be honest. Diabolical use of the ball and was often getting himself in trouble.

    Eriksen - Another who took too long to release it on many occasions and I think a 6 year old could have put in better setpieces than he did today. Far too much on the periphery for my liking. Get hold of the game and really impact it.

    Lamela - See my thoughts on Dembele and Eriksen and add them together for him. Looks nice, actual output though... And he lost his man for the goal it seemed. Must do better.

    Chadli - Popped up everywhere to start with, then seemed to disappear from the game.

    Adebayor - Way below par. Stood up front not involved and offering nothing movement wise. Again, must do much better.

    Subs:
    Paulinho - Impressive array of passing...
    Soldado - One half decent shot, one poor pass, one aimless flick round the corner. That was about it. Standard.
    Lennon - Saw some ball as they sat back towards the end. Couple of half threatening crosses I suppose.
     
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  16. JUSTINSIGNAL

    JUSTINSIGNAL Well-Known Member

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    Do you totally dismiss any chance that these players might improve once they understand what the new manager expects from them in his system?

    I would prefer to wait until the end of the season before writing off any players. Some players won't adapt and others will, but this happens with signings that every club makes apart from the big money clubs. Remember we are gambling on potential. We aren't able to pay out big bucks for ready made world class stars. So there will always be a risk that some players don't quite show talent we expect from them.
     
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  17. Wellspurs

    Wellspurs Well-Known Member

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    I suppose everyone realises that soon we will have a completely different back line?
    Davies-Verts-Fazio-Walker
     
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  18. MaccSpurs

    MaccSpurs Active Member

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    Yeah against Forest midweek then we will go back to the same shit when it really matters against the scum.
     
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  19. JimmyG2

    JimmyG2 SC Supporter

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    Not sure the usual ratings list is applicable:

    Worst you've ever seen a Spurs team play....1
    Absolutely awful display.................................2
    Which bit of pathetic do you not understand...3
    Very, very poor all round...............................4
    Just very poor...............................................5
    Top six you're 'avin' a larf..............................6
    63% possession and nothing to show............7
    We're not paying these lads enough...............8
    Pochettino, Levy, ENIC, tea lady OUT..............9
    Unlucky today, weather, ref pitch
    and opposition all frustrated us......................10

    I make that a1.5 with Rose the MOM on a 6
    Chiriches frightening side well to the fore
    Lamela trying, write your own punchline.
    Our captain was edgy, one vice captain effectively absent and the other actually absent.

    What's going on?

    If we'd won we would have been top four.
     
  20. whatsappnin

    whatsappnin Well-Known Member

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    I cant believe people waste their time giving scores less than a six. Today was a disgrace, the team cannot play the pressing game! Its laughable/embarrassing. They should be pressing in groups, no? Not one at a time, creating big holes they have run from. Passing, there was some shocking passes played today, especially in the final third. Last time we should see Chirpy in the defence, get him the mascot suit!

    Back to the points... All less than six which is UNACCEPTABLE!
     

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