Match Ratings Ratings vs Barcelona

[theShiznit]

Eriksen's free kick and Sissoko's header cannot be counted as mistakes if the KWP dealt with the ball properly, this is just over analysing for the sake of it and pointing fingers unnecessarily. Anyway it's harsh on KWP because we're talking about Dembele who still had to run 80 yards and put the ball in the back of the net but his is the level we're playing at I suppose.

Anyway my point is that calling out Eriksen and Sissoko on that goal is nonsense, if you have to point the finger at someone then it will be KWP but again it's harsh on him, I'm not a fan of attributing blame to our players unless they really deserve it, just got to applaud the goal Because Dembele had a lot to do and he took it very well.

Gerard Houlier labelled Ginola a "criminal" for doing exactly what Eriksen did.

Wrongly or rightly blame can and will be attributed at all points when conceding. Sure the fact is if KWP doesn't try to take that touch there is no goal, I'm sure it will haunt him for some time (hopefully less so knowing it didn't matter in the end) The fact we were left two on two from the free kick was the most baffling thing for me, with seemingly every set piece hitting the first man, that was pretty foolhardy.

 

[Paolo10]

You mean implication. You infer from someone else’s implication.

Grammar aside, as I’m only pissing about and I did know what you meant, I do think it’s irresponsible and unnecessary for anyone to publicly accuse you of racist tendencies based on opinions you’ve provided on a football forum. If someone genuinely feels you’ve behaved that way, they should report your post with the reason why and let admin address it, or they should send you a private message and allow you to address it. I, for one, can’t remember ever seeing one of your posts and thinking that about you. There have been posters in the past who I’ve thought displayed signs of discriminatory motivations in their reasoning but I can’t say you’re someone I’ve noticed any such thing with.

Correct, my opinions are about football only. In this thread I have said that at 100% fitness mentally and physically Danny Rose is our best left back and I am not having this bullshit being spouted so have called this out. I let it go the first time.

 

[Japhet]

Eriksen's free kick and Sissoko's header cannot be counted as mistakes if the KWP dealt with the ball properly, this is just over analysing for the sake of it and pointing fingers unnecessarily. Anyway it's harsh on KWP because we're talking about Dembele who still had to run 80 yards and put the ball in the back of the net but his is the level we're playing at I suppose.

Anyway my point is that calling out Eriksen and Sissoko on that goal is nonsense, if you have to point the finger at someone then it will be KWP but again it's harsh on him, I'm not a fan of attributing blame to our players unless they really deserve it, just got to applaud the goal Because Dembele had a lot to do and he took it very well.

I was responding to a post that said Winks misplaced a few passes - nothing more. Agree to disagree about Eriksen and Sissoko's part in their goal.

 

[Shadydan]

I was responding to a post that said Winks misplaced a few passes - nothing more. Agree to disagree about Eriksen and Sissoko's part in their goal.

But in your initial post you said you marked Eriksen and Sissoko down ado they were instrumental in Barca's goal.

 

[Japhet]

But in your initial post you said you marked Eriksen and Sissoko down ado they were instrumental in Barca's goal.

Fair enough. No big deal.

 

[yankspurs]

You mean implication. You infer from someone else’s implication.

Grammar aside, as I’m only pissing about and I did know what you meant, I do think it’s irresponsible and unnecessary for anyone to publicly accuse you of racist tendencies based on opinions you’ve provided on a football forum. If someone genuinely feels you’ve behaved that way, they should report your post with the reason why and let admin address it, or they should send you a private message and allow you to address it. I, for one, can’t remember ever seeing one of your posts and thinking that about you. There have been posters in the past who I’ve thought displayed signs of discriminatory motivations in their reasoning but I can’t say you’re someone I’ve noticed any such thing with.

No one is talking racism whatsoever but way to jump to conclusions

 

[vicbob]

No one is talking racism whatsoever but way to jump to conclusions

Exactly, where the fuck did racism come from? Anyway, back to the ratings. Rose MOTM, but who really cares as it was a fantastic team performance to get through the group after that awful start (and that includes some that didn't play tonight).

 

[spids]

Gerard Houlier labelled Ginola a "criminal" for doing exactly what Eriksen did.

You really do not understand the Ginola situation to compare the two things. The major difference was that Ginola had the ball in the last moments of the last world cup qualifier at a point when France were qualified. All he had to do was play safe. Instead he needlessly lost the ball by attacking and France conceded a few seconds later. The Eriksen free kick was in the first 15 minutes of a game we assumed we needed to win and was just an easily defenced free kick. The fault lays very much with KWP who could have just lobbed the ball straight back into the Barca area but instead dithered and got caught in possession as last man. He actually had a further mistake by allowing himself to get twisted the wrong way on the edge of our area as well, but that also had a lot to do with Dembele's skill and pace.

Ultimately, when you have promising defenders in their early 20s they will make mistakes. As we have now seen recently with both Foyth and KWP. To be a successful club you really need a very consistent back 4, and defenders tend to be at their peak from 28-32. As such, if we sell off Toby and Rose and expect the likes of Sanchez, Foyth and KWP to be our immediate future, we will have a defence that makes more mistakes than we are used to. The same way we did when Verts first joined us prior to maturing in to the more consistent defender we rely on today. Go back to pre-AVB days and we were a team that always had young players (<25) and older players (>32) and not many in their peak years (25-32). Our current team has a lot of very good players coming towards their peak years, and I hope Levy does not rely too heavily on youth to cash in on our senior players as we pay the stadium debts.

 

[The Apprentice]

Second half was an absolute delight and everyone played well.

Particular kudos to Rose/Sissoko/Alli who were lung bursting.

There was one real standout in quality last night and that was Eriksen. He was absolutely majestic. Go back and watch that second half and his passing was a picture, some were outrageous. This guy is our heartbeat and creativity. His pass that led to the goal was unique to his abilities.

 

[Paolo10]

Exactly, where the fuck did racism come from? Anyway, back to the ratings. Rose MOTM, but who really cares as it was a fantastic team performance to get through the group after that awful start (and that includes some that didn't play tonight).

Look, its been implied previously and I'm not standing for it, have already pm'ed the two members about it and am nipping this in the bud right now.

I can justify any of my opinions with well thought out footballing reasons, I don't rate posts I disagree with as spam just to neg rate either (although I will rate back).

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

No one is talking racism whatsoever but way to jump to conclusions

Mate, reread the conversation. Wasn't from you, but the implication from some was definitely there.

 

[theShiznit]

You really do not understand the Ginola situation to compare the two things. The major difference was that Ginola had the ball in the last moments of the last world cup qualifier at a point when France were qualified. All he had to do was play safe. Instead he needlessly lost the ball by attacking and France conceded a few seconds later. The Eriksen free kick was in the first 15 minutes of a game we assumed we needed to win and was just an easily defenced free kick. The fault lays very much with KWP who could have just lobbed the ball straight back into the Barca area but instead dithered and got caught in possession as last man. He actually had a further mistake by allowing himself to get twisted the wrong way on the edge of our area as well, but that also had a lot to do with Dembele's skill and pace.

Ultimately, when you have promising defenders in their early 20s they will make mistakes. As we have now seen recently with both Foyth and KWP. To be a successful club you really need a very consistent back 4, and defenders tend to be at their peak from 28-32. As such, if we sell off Toby and Rose and expect the likes of Sanchez, Foyth and KWP to be our immediate future, we will have a defence that makes more mistakes than we are used to. The same way we did when Verts first joined us prior to maturing in to the more consistent defender we rely on today. Go back to pre-AVB days and we were a team that always had young players (<25) and older players (>32) and not many in their peak years (25-32). Our current team has a lot of very good players coming towards their peak years, and I hope Levy does not rely too heavily on youth to cash in on our senior players as we pay the stadium debts.

when boiled down It was a cross that led to a counter attacking goal.
If anything it wasn't as bad as there were a lot of men between the mistake and the ball rather than just two inexperienced players with two (one of which was far quicker than the defenders) players

 

[Shadydan]

Fair enough. No big deal.

No worries, just irks me a little when people unnecessarily lay blame at our players, we do it too much and rarely praise the opposition.

One of the things about this thread is that it's subjective but it relies on some form of confirmation bias(?), for example KWP made the mistake that led to the goal so in may people's eyes he gets marked down for that but what about the goal saving tackle he made in the 2nd half against Coutinho, no-one will remember that because there are no direct consequences...why doesn't that discount the 'error' he made for their goal for example?

 

[spids]

when boiled down It was a cross that led to a counter attacking goal.
If anything it wasn't as bad as there were a lot of men between the mistake and the ball rather than just two inexperienced players with two (one of which was far quicker than the defenders) players

No. When you are 1 min from qualifying and you give possession away that is massively different to taking a free kick early in a game when you need to score and it get's cleared. If Eriksen had had a similar free kick in the last minute last night and that happened I'd be asking why he didn't take it into the corner with Kane or Sissoko.

 

[theShiznit]

No. When you are 1 min from qualifying and you give possession away that is massively different to taking a free kick early in a game when you need to score and it get's cleared.

You are missing my point.
Players will be judged whatever they do on the pitch especially when it leads to a goal for or against.

That was my whole point. Didn't warrant an essay on time management and player progression but thanks.

 

[Japhet]

No worries, just irks me a little when people unnecessarily lay blame at our players, we do it too much and rarely praise the opposition.

One of the things about this thread is that it's subjective but it relies on some form of confirmation bias(?), for example KWP made the mistake that led to the goal so in may people's eyes he gets marked down for that but what about the goal saving tackle he made in the 2nd half against Coutinho, no-one will remember that because there are no direct consequences...why doesn't that discount the 'error' he made for their goal for example?

I did reference KWP's fantastic block in my earlier post and said he'd 'redeemed himself'. I don't think people are necessarily being critical of players but this is a 'ratings' thread and it opens the door for people to say why they have or haven't voted for a particular player. I certainly wouldn't go onto the player's own thread to say anything unless it was really warranted (like Hugo's red card for example).

 

[double0]

We draw with FC Barcelona at the CN, and people are still looking for scapegoats and faults....how far have THFC come.

 

[Bulletspur]

You mean implication. You infer from someone else’s implication.

Grammar aside, as I’m only pissing about and I did know what you meant, I do think it’s irresponsible and unnecessary for anyone to publicly accuse you of racist tendencies based on opinions you’ve provided on a football forum. If someone genuinely feels you’ve behaved that way, they should report your post with the reason why and let admin address it, or they should send you a private message and allow you to address it. I, for one, can’t remember ever seeing one of your posts and thinking that about you. There have been posters in the past who I’ve thought displayed signs of discriminatory motivations in their reasoning but I can’t say you’re someone I’ve noticed any such thing with.

Look, its been implied previously and I'm not standing for it, have already pm'ed the two members about it and am nipping this in the bud right now.

I can justify any of my opinions with well thought out footballing reasons, I don't rate posts I disagree with as spam just to neg rate either (although I will rate back).

Let me nip this in the bud now as it has gone far enough.

"Yes, I have noticed and was going to comment in the past, that he seem to have a blinkered view about certain players" .

That was my quote verbatim. The certain players I was referring to were our fullbacks particularly Serge Aurier where @Paolo10 seem to have a bee in his bonnet about. The last time I looked we had 3 black and 2 white full backs, so how the hell does @BringBack_leGin read me calling him @Paolo10 a racist from that?

Paolo 10 p'md to have some balls, which I thought was both strange and over the top, for as I was concerned I said or wrote nothing controversial so I chose to ignore. You both (and others like @Luka Van der Bale ) thinking that racism was the issue says more about you and your views about subject matter more than anything else. I am done

 

[yusrisafri]

I just watched the recording. The seconds after the final whistle was gold. Pure gold. The fans waiting, poch looking grim, the players looking serious, then suddenly the crowd erupted, then kane looked excited then approached verts who tjen pointed to the fans celebrating, then everyone started asking around for confirmation before finally smiling and hugging each other. Pure gold moment. I felt like crying. COYS!!! I love my club to bits

 

[yankspurs]

I just watched the recording. The seconds after the final whistle was gold. Pure gold. The fans waiting, poch looking grim, the players looking serious, then suddenly the crowd erupted, then kane looked excited then approached verts who tjen pointed to the fans celebrating, then everyone started asking around for confirmation before finally smiling and hugging each other. Pure gold moment. I felt like crying. COYS!!! I love my club to bits

They showed that last night on tv then switched to the final minutes of Inter/PSV. So seems to me that we celebrated early.