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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 27 11.3%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Toby

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • Verts

    Votes: 143 60.1%
  • Winks

    Votes: 7 2.9%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dele

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 45 18.9%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nkoudou

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
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Vincent30

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I'm somewhere in between, big fan of Winks, but i felt he didn't take any chances today and was probably the safest i've ever seem him play in term of bursts forward, longer more difficult passes and getting the ball forward. Yes he was busy and tidy, but seemed to really play within himself for me, would have liked to see a little more balls from him because he has so much passing ability.
 

Shadydan

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I'm somewhere in between, big fan of Winks, but i felt he didn't take any chances today and was probably the safest i've ever seem him play in term of bursts forward, longer more difficult passes and getting the ball forward. Yes he was busy and tidy, but seemed to really play within himself for me, would have liked to see a little more balls from him because he has so much passing ability.

He played the ball of the match to Kane and put him through on goal, wouldn't really call him a passenger - there were others out there more worthy of that name TBH.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Aside from that poor effort at goal when Sanchez was free behind him, Dele was clearly our best attacking player in the first half. He linked up well, was smart in possession and was the only one to give us some impetus when everyone was poor, particularly Eriksen who was dreadful in that first half and poor overall apart from the goal. Good game from him.

From the Alli thread:

I didn't taker issue with that.

What was absolutely nonsensical was the 'if you took out his goals and assists and just watched him play football it wouldn't be impressive' comment.

If you take them out it's not fucking football, is it? If you take them out you get what we saw in the first half against Bournemouth; mind numblingly boring side to side passing, which may look good on a Squawka spreadsheet or a Whoscored heat map, but it makes for terrible entertainment and escapism; which is where sport operates best.

Goals and assists are the most important part of actually playing football and Dele is pretty fucking good at it.

Isn't this kind of ironic, in one thread you berate me for pointing out that what a player does when he isn't scoring or assisting does matter, and for me calling what Alli does a lot of the time dreadful when he isn't scoring and assisting, and saying Alli is great even when he doesn't play well because he scores and assists, then on the same day you are calling Eriksen dreadful, despite him scoring the match winning goal which you say is everything (or "without it, not football") but praising Alli for the stuff you suggested is less important?

For the record, as well as scoring (the thing without which football doesn’t exist for you), Eriksen also saw double the ball Alli did, gave it away 20% less, and played in Kane, yet somehow he was dreadful and Alli was good?
 
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double0

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From the Alli thread:



Isn't this kind of ironic, in one thread you berate me for pointing out that what a player does when he isn't scoring or assisting doesn't matter, and for calling what Alli does a lot of the time dreadful when he isn't scoring and assisting, and saying Alli is great even when he doesn't play well because he scores and assists, then on the same day you are calling Eriksen dreadful, despite him scoring the match winning goal which you say is everything (or "without it, not football") but praising Alli for the stuff you suggested is less important?

For the record, as well as scoring (the thing without which football doesn’t exist for you), Eriksen also saw double the ball Alli did, gave it away 20% less, and played in Kane, yet somehow he was dreadful and Alli was good?


Stop this now! :)
 

ComfortablyNumb

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The grass looks too long at Wembley and needs watering. Not helped by our CMs and CBs constantly passing the ball behind our FBs so they have to pass backwards nearly every time.

Verts was brilliant. Him and Eriksen the only two who actually played half decent. Sissoko had a nice little cameo that he then spoilt by that over hit pass when it was 4 on 1.

That pisses me off, too. There are times, though, that the FBs go too early, so that a pass played in front of them would risk being cut out. Could and should be dealt with on the training ground.
 

glospur

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From the Alli thread:



Isn't this kind of ironic, in one thread you berate me for pointing out that what a player does when he isn't scoring or assisting doesn't matter, and for calling what Alli does a lot of the time dreadful when he isn't scoring and assisting, and saying Alli is great even when he doesn't play well because he scores and assists, then on the same day you are calling Eriksen dreadful, despite him scoring the match winning goal which you say is everything (or "without it, not football") but praising Alli for the stuff you suggested is less important?

For the record, as well as scoring (the thing without which football doesn’t exist for you), Eriksen also saw double the ball Alli did, gave it away 20% less, and played in Kane, yet somehow he was dreadful and Alli was good?
Well that's not really true, is it?

I took issue with the moronic 'if you took out the goals and assists and just watched him play football it wouldn't be impressive' comment. Because the sport as it is doesn't exist without those things. It was mind-numbingly stupid.

And I'm not sure if you have comprehension issues, but that clearly reads that I thought Eriksen was dreadful in the first half and aside from the goal (which was well taken) he was poor.

The rest of your pathetic, truth be told, attempt at one-upmanship is grounded in straw man. It's perfectly possible to play well without scoring and poorly while scoring. I've actually never said otherwise. Saying that Dele is pretty fucking good at getting goals and assist and, ergo, good at football, that football isn't the same without goals, and saying that it's moronic to say that Dele is underwhelming at football if you actually took out the most important parts of playing football really isn't the same as saying that you can't be poor while scoring now is it?
 

Bus-Conductor

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Well that's not really true, is it?

I took issue with the moronic 'if you took out the goals and assists and just watched him play football it wouldn't be impressive' comment. Because the sport as it is doesn't exist without those things. It was mind-numbingly stupid.

And I'm not sure if you have comprehension issues, but that clearly reads that I thought Eriksen was dreadful in the first half and aside from the goal (which was well taken) he was poor.

The rest of your pathetic, truth be told, attempt at one-upmanship is grounded in straw man. It's perfectly possible to play well without scoring and poorly while scoring. I've actually never said otherwise. Saying that Dele is pretty fucking good at getting goals and assist and, ergo, good at football, that football isn't the same without goals, and saying that it's moronic to say that Dele is underwhelming at football if you actually took out the most important parts of playing football really isn't the same as saying that you can't be poor while scoring now is it?


So my post is one-upmanship, but yours, which was both factually incorrect and misrepresentative of what I said, calling what I said "nonsensical" wasn't ? Right.

When I made the point that if you took goals and assists away from Alli's game a lot of the other stuff he does is pretty poor, you scoffed and called it nonsensical and "without them, not football".

But that is actually nonsensical, jingoistic, over simplistic, proper football man rubbish, isn't it?

Firstly, the sport does exist without goals and assists, you can actually earn points without them, and secondly goals and assists don't exist without all the other stuff, which was the point I was making. Players can contribute massively without "scoring and assisting", which is what I (and others) were saying Alli struggles with very oftenh, and what - for the purposes of a comparison, even yesterday - Eriksen generally does.

It really wasn't nonsensical, was it. Your silly reply at me was.
 

Marvinspur

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So was at the game yesterday. Here are my ratings.

Lloris - 9 - Stunning saves through out the game. Bournemouth corners were also very dangerous and he dealt with them well

Trippier - 7 Did a job and did it well. Some lovely inside passes and he was clearly trying to be proactive

Toby -7
Won everything but wasn't a hard day for him.

Sanchez - 5 Worst game in a spurs shirt hes had. Was clumsy. Rushed stupidly into a challenge and lotst headers vs King all day. Looked much better as part of a 3. Still rate him.

Verts - 7 Did well in a another position. Lovely technique. He's ridiculous in how much he wins. But he didnt have the pace further forward and didnt offer himself up as an option up front. We missed Davis today.

Dier - 6 Decent performance. The team looked much better when he moved to center back. First half he was typical to our sluggish possession play. Perhaps bringing with him stuff he learnt at england. Perhaps should have scored.

Winks - 7 A good performance. Looked to be the only one who was really proactive in the first half. Good at reciveing the ball in tight scenarios and giving a little turn.

Eriksen - 7
Ultimately scored the goal and had a number of good chances but was actually rather poor. In the first half he lost many of his 50/50s and was not sharp enough in his passing.

Son - 5 Not a good game from Son. Peripheral. Its true that other players were not finding his runs but even on the ball he kept it too long. Maybe still a bit jet lagged?

Dele - 6 Should have scored.\Maybe not his easiest game but he still made some runs and showed glimmers of technique.

Kane - 6 Could not score today! Had to move about to deal with how compact Bournemouth were. That said he nearly created a golden chance with his long flat pass/clearance which if he had meant was just outstanding.

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Sissoko - 8 Best Player on the pitch when he came on. Created chaos and two golden chances. Had the beating of everyone and actually a bit of pace to get in behind the compact but high Bournemouth back line.

Llorente - 6 Held the ball well and won his headers. Offered something different but lacks pace and mobility.

Nkoudou - N/A Unlucky to be clattered and should have had his first goal
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Well that's not really true, is it?

I took issue with the moronic 'if you took out the goals and assists and just watched him play football it wouldn't be impressive' comment. Because the sport as it is doesn't exist without those things. It was mind-numbingly stupid.

And I'm not sure if you have comprehension issues, but that clearly reads that I thought Eriksen was dreadful in the first half and aside from the goal (which was well taken) he was poor.

The rest of your pathetic, truth be told, attempt at one-upmanship is grounded in straw man. It's perfectly possible to play well without scoring and poorly while scoring. I've actually never said otherwise. Saying that Dele is pretty fucking good at getting goals and assist and, ergo, good at football, that football isn't the same without goals, and saying that it's moronic to say that Dele is underwhelming at football if you actually took out the most important parts of playing football really isn't the same as saying that you can't be poor while scoring now is it?
You have cornered yourself on this one. It's fine, we all do it from time to time. Sometimes even knowingly. According to the standard that goals and assists are football and the rest is not (I'm knowingly over-simplifying your stance for sake of clarity), then yesterday Eriksen embodied what football is and Dele did not.
 

davidmatzdorf

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As I posted earlier on another thread, I think Winks had more difficulty than most with the exceptionally slow pitch yesterday - the grass looked longer and perhaps it wasn't watered sufficiently, but it was visibly dragging nearly every pass by either side.

Winks' passing style, rather like Iniesta, or for that matter Huddlestone, rolls the ball along the pitch - it rarely bounces, it zips. It's a product of his unusually precise touch and it makes the receiving player's job much easier. Well, nothing was zipping along that grass yesterday. He had better luck when he lofted a few, but it's not really his preferred technique.
 

coys200

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Honestly can’t believe stick Sanchez is getting.Kid is 21 Just flown halfway round World 2 days before.I think it’s 5 out 6 clean sheets in PL.Was also his incisive pass to Kane that started the move for the goal.Yes there are a few rough edges.But think how much Poch has improved some players from a much much lower start point.Its actually frightening to think how good he could be after a couple years with Poch.Especially As Poch best knowledge will be CB position.
 

glospur

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So my post is one-upmanship, but yours, which was both factually incorrect and misrepresentative of what I said, calling what I said "nonsensical" wasn't ? Right.

When I made the point that if you took goals and assists away from Alli's game a lot of the other stuff he does is pretty poor, you scoffed and called it nonsensical and "without them, not football".

But that is actually nonsensical, jingoistic, over simplistic, proper football man rubbish, isn't it?

Firstly, the sport does exist without goals and assists, you can actually earn points without them, and secondly goals and assists don't exist without all the other stuff, which was the point I was making. Players can contribute massively without "scoring and assisting", which is what I (and others) were saying Alli struggles with very oftenh, and what - for the purposes of a comparison, even yesterday - Eriksen generally does.

It really wasn't nonsensical, was it. Your silly reply at me was.
You really need to quit with the straw man, mate. It's transparently manipulative and misrepresents what was said. Your erroneous use of the word of the word 'jingoistic' is hilarious as well. I'm not even English and most definitely anti-Brexit!

On the contrary, I quoted you word for word. 'if you took the goals and assists away, and just watched Alli play football, it wouldn't be impressive.' This is categorically bullshit. If you take away the most important, decisive part of football then it ceases to be the game as we know it. Literally everything that a player does is directed towards this objective or to preventing goals and assists against you. If you regularly do either then your football would definitely be impressive.

I never said that you can't score or provide assists and not be poor. I never said that you can't play well and not provide either. Yet, in your typical manner you manipulate a straw man to criticise me for my Eriksen and Dele comments regarding the Bournemouth game.

@Everlasting Seconds LOL, maybe if you buy his transparently manipulative straw man nonsense. I don't as I'm neither gullible nor a sycophant.

EDIT: And lol it was definitely an attempt at one-upmanship. Why else would you drag the discussion from the Dele thread over here and quote my post from this thread out of context?
 
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Bus-Conductor

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You really need to quit with the straw man, mate. It's transparently manipulative and misrepresents what was said. Your erroneous use of the word of the word 'jingoistic' is hilarious as well. I'm not even English and most definitely anti-Brexit!

On the contrary, I quoted you word for word. 'if you took the goals and assists away, and just watched Alli play football, it wouldn't be impressive.' This is categorically bullshit. If you take away the most important, decisive part of football then it ceases to be the game as we know it. Literally everything that a player does is directed towards this objective or to preventing goals and assists against you. If you regularly do either then your football would definitely be impressive.

I never said that you can't score or provide assists and not be poor. I never said that you can't play well and not provide either. Yet, in your typical manner you manipulate a straw man to criticise me for my Eriksen and Dele comments regarding the Bournemouth game.

@Everlasting Seconds LOL, maybe if you buy his transparently manipulative straw man nonsense. I don't as I'm neither gullible nor a sycophant.

EDIT: And lol it was definitely an attempt at one-upmanship. Why else would you drag the discussion from the Dele thread over here and quote my post from this thread out of context?


I dragged your comment from another thread into here to highlight you contradicting yourself within the space of a few posts, you just did it in different threads.

The straw man allegation is also ridiculous. You called what I said nonsensical, I explained why it's not. It's that simple. You could have argued I was wrong (then you'd be arguing your own assessment of Alli and Eriksen yesterday was flawed) in my application relating to the player concerned, that his contribution is in fact wonderful, but not that the notion of what you do apart from scoring and assisting matters - or is nonsensical.

I have no idea what your nationality or Brexit preference has to do with what I said, I was merely pointing out that in trying to scoff at my post with your "football is nothing without goals and assists" quip, you were applying an over simplistic (and jingoistic akin to the language of the "Football's a simple game complicated by idiots" bullshit of your Redknapp's and Sherwood's) view to the more complex argument I was making.
 

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Everlasting Seconds

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@Everlasting Seconds LOL, maybe if you buy his transparently manipulative straw man nonsense. I don't as I'm neither gullible nor a sycophant.?
This is actually about your own nonsense, not anybody else's. Classical logic dictates that only one of the following options A or B can be true:
A) Dele is poor if you look at anything but goals and assists; and Eriksen was poor yesterday if you don't consider his goal
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B) Dele is a good footballer because he produces goals and assists which matters above all; and Eriksen was good yesterday because he scored a goal (that decided the game) which matters above all.

The following "Dele is a good footballer because he produces goals and assists which matters above all; and Eriksen was poor yesterday if you don't consider his goal" cannot possible be a true statement.

Look, it's simple. You cornered our self. That's fine. It's not a crime. But maybe it's not entirely wrong to suggest that you admit that there maybe is some truth to it. (y)
 
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OPModric

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Poch made the first important tactical change in the 35th minute, moving Eriksen central and Alli left, after Alli yet again struggled to interact with others and create - which is essential as a number ten.
 

double0

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Poch made the first important tactical change in the 35th minute, moving Eriksen central and Alli left, after Alli yet again struggled to interact with others and create - which is essential as a number ten.

yeah right. what ever
 

waresy

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For me, Vertonghen was the best player on the pitch by miles, not sure why Sky gave Begovic MOTM as we didnt test him enough and he was lucky to have been on the pitch right at the death.

Others:
Eriksen - got the goal, frustrated to hear people behind me suggesting he only dangles feet into challenges. He's not going to dive in unnecessarily but we know his workrate is high.
Son decent first half, anonymous in the second.
Dier - I loose track of him on the pitch - is he a player that keeps it flowing with solid simpicity?
Toby - solid
Dele - struggling against the unadventurous nature of the opponents and needing form. It will come i'm sure but not his best game.
Kane - slim pickings and no space
 

Spurs 1961

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I'm somewhere in between, big fan of Winks, but i felt he didn't take any chances today and was probably the safest i've ever seem him play in term of bursts forward, longer more difficult passes and getting the ball forward. Yes he was busy and tidy, but seemed to really play within himself for me, would have liked to see a little more balls from him because he has so much passing ability.

It's early days for Winks he has only played a handful of games so needs to build confidence as well as rapport with players around him
 
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