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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 27 11.3%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Toby

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • Verts

    Votes: 143 60.1%
  • Winks

    Votes: 7 2.9%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dele

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 45 18.9%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nkoudou

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    238

fortworthspur

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It's early days for Winks he has only played a handful of games so needs to build confidence as well as rapport with players around him

which is fine. he's got loads of potential. but lets be honest - he was anonymous yesterday. forgot he was in the game until the second half. but as is typical here - he's going to be built up as the second coming of Jesus. Like Ryan Mason. When Paulinho played like that he was rated a failure.
 

Spurs 1961

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which is fine. he's got loads of potential. but lets be honest - he was anonymous yesterday. forgot he was in the game until the second half. but as is typical here - he's going to be built up as the second coming of Jesus. Like Ryan Mason. When Paulinho played like that he was rated a failure.
To be honest I think our whole game at the moment is a little too safe. Yesterday for a few minutes either side of the goal we pushed forward and ran at Bournemouth. After that we reverted to a slower less forceful approach to the game.
 

fortworthspur

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To be honest I think our whole game at the moment is a little too safe. Yesterday for a few minutes either side of the goal we pushed forward and ran at Bournemouth. After that we reverted to a slower less forceful approach to the game.
yes, we suck at wembley. its a crappy venue and a real problem. cant wait for this season to be over.
 

glospur

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This is actually about your own nonsense, not anybody else's. Classical logic dictates that only one of the following options A or B can be true:
A) Dele is poor if you look at anything but goals and assists; and Eriksen was poor yesterday if you don't consider his goal
or
B) Dele is a good footballer because he produces goals and assists which matters above all; and Eriksen was good yesterday because he scored a goal (that decided the game) which matters above all.

The following "Dele is a good footballer because he produces goals and assists which matters above all; and Eriksen was poor yesterday if you don't consider his goal" cannot possible be a true statement.

Look, it's simple. You cornered our self. That's fine. It's not a crime. But maybe it's not entirely wrong to suggest that you admit that there maybe is some truth to it. (y)
Maybe if I had have said either of those things. Please find where I did. I'll give you a tip. I didn't. Seems you're as prone to the straw man fallacy as our beloved BC.

I never said that you can't be poor and still score or that you can't play well and not score. Seriously, please show me where I said that and you might have a point.

I said this is a nonsensical statement: 'if you took the goals and assists away, and just watched Alli play football, it wouldn't be impressive.' Because it is nonsense. You can be poor in other areas of the game, but if you regularly score or provide assists to the level that Dele does at his age then you're pretty good at football. But you can't say 'well lets take away the most important part of football and the entire point of the sport before judging a player as unimpressive at football,' because then you cease to judge him on abiltiies and qualities that are integral.

This was a conversation that was exclusively about Dele, until BC tried his pathetic oneupmanship by bringing it over to this thread and you, I'm guessing the foremost among his sycophants, tried to chime in with your own straw men and condescending garbage. Honestly, it's unbecoming.
 

Cravenspurs

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First Half

Slow, slow, slow build up pretty much sums it up. Not troubled too much and Loris with one hell of a save off that corner. Kane had a chance, but for the most part it was pretty boring to watch.

I does piss me off that Trippier cannot take on a man and/or offer any threat behind the defense. Verts was more of a threat down the left and he is LCB by trade. Think KWP would have had a really safe game today and if let loose, his burst and technique are above and beyond Trips.

Dele was the best version of himself that I have seen in awhile.

Winks moved the ball, but was pretty safe with it. Love his body feints though!

Second Half

Could have and probably should have been a bit more than 1 goal in the second half.

Toby had his best game this year for me. Was so calm on the ball and when King and others were making runs.

Winks
had one hell of a through ball and Kane should have finished.

Again I thought Dele had a rather decent half. Played it into Kane after the initial miss and didn’t do too much flashy stuff...kept it simple which is what has made him so effective.

Eriksen the savior, but a bit less influential than he has been, but that is being very picky.

Son is still not fully in form.

Trippier just bores the hell out of me outside his amazing ability to pick the pass. Great ball to Kane but outside that, I am left wanting with his ability to stretch the defense.

MOTM - Verts was amazing and has maybe been the player of the year so far. He is masterclass.
 
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glospur

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I dragged your comment from another thread into here to highlight you contradicting yourself within the space of a few posts, you just did it in different threads.
Except I didn't because you're attributing things to me that I never said. And what I said was in a completely different context. ie A straw man. Here, this might be of some assistance:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Here, I'll quote myself to make it easy for you and then ask a couple of simple follow up questions:

'If you take them (goals and assists) out then it's not fucking football, is it?'

1. Where do I say that you can't be poor if you score?

2. Where do I say that you can't be judged as playing well if you don't score?

Please tell me. If you can actually prove this, as this is the entire premise of your attempt at oneupmanship, then I accept that no straw man was involved.

But, sadly (for you) these don't exist. My comments regarding goals in football in relation to Dele and Eriksen against Bournemouth are mutually exclusive.

The straw man allegation is also ridiculous. You called what I said nonsensical, I explained why it's not. It's that simple. You could have argued I was wrong (then you'd be arguing your own assessment of Alli and Eriksen yesterday was flawed) in my application relating to the player concerned, that his contribution is in fact wonderful, but not that the notion of what you do apart from scoring and assisting matters - or is nonsensical.
It is categorically nonsensical to take away the most important part of football and literally the objective of every single thing that is done on the pitch and then say 'well his football isn't impressive.' You can be poor in any individual game and still score, but if you continue to bang them in at the rate that Dele does at his age then you can't be anything other than impressive at football. It's akin to saying 'well if you took away Steve Smith's runs and just watching him play cricket it wouldn't be impressive' or 'if you took away James Harden's points and just watched him play basketball it wouldn't be impressive,' or 'if you took the blood away from a blood pudding it wouldn't be a very impressive pudding.' It's redundant. Yes, it's nonsensical. What's left isn't the thing you clam to be judging as 'not impressive.'

And again, this is better suited to the context of the Dele thread, where it would have remained, if you weren't so pathetically petty.


I have no idea what your nationality or Brexit preference has to do with what I said, I was merely pointing out that in trying to scoff at my post with your "football is nothing without goals and assists" quip, you were applying an over simplistic (and jingoistic akin to the language of the "Football's a simple game complicated by idiots" bullshit of your Redknapp's and Sherwood's) view to the more complex argument I was making.
Because that's completely the wrong interpretation and use of the word 'jingoistic.' Do you not see the humour of accusing me of jingoism when I'm not English?

And yes, i argue that if you took away goals, and by extension assists, then it ceases to be football as we know it. Answer me this, actually don't because it's rhetorical, but what is the purpose of your precious pass completion, touches, chances created etc stats?

Literally, the objective of every single thing done on a football pitch is to either score or prevent goals. Nothing else. A thing is defined by it's purpose, is it not? If you take it away it's just boring, aimless side to side passing until you get to a certain part of the pitch and turn back the other way. ie The example I used in the Dele thread of the first half against Bournemouth.

Don't get me wrong, I am a stat advocate, even the much maligned xG stat, especially when analyisng the purpose of the game; ie goals and preventing goals.
 

Spurs 1961

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He was excellent. Don't listen to these fools.
I agree I thought he played well enough. He did not go in with reckless tackles or over commitment which allows strikers to get away. This is a player who will get better and better.

When all is said and done most people were saying before the season started that to get into the Spurs starting eleven you have to be some player; well Sanchez has made himself a regular immediately so I guess he is pretty good!
 
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