Ratings vs Chelsea

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  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chiiriches

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Fazio

    Votes: 15 5.8%
  • Verts

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Davies

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Bentaleb

    Votes: 151 58.8%
  • Mason

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

    Votes: 65 25.3%
  • Paulinho

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Chadli

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Soldado

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 4.3%

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jezz

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So for an attacking player - he played as a right sided auxiullary striker at Roma - would you have expected him to have scvored a goal in the PL yet ? If not why not ?

Harry Kane has had far fewer starts in PL, is far less experienced, and has scored twice in PL generally played as a no 10 (an AM iin other words) to put that into perrsceptive.

I'm glad that Lamela has got off the mark in EL/cup games - but these have been against much lower class opponents of course. So with no goals in a dozen PL games it is time that he upped his game so that he can have goals amongst his contributions, and hopefully less 'loss of ball' leading to Spurs conceding goals. That's what I would expect with a £30m (or £25m) player

The selection of Lamela's foot is vey relevant - he appears to be totally one footed which limits what he can do (except with a party trick Rabona which takes longer to shoot so less valuable in the faster pace PL). It is noteworthy by comparison that very few of the Spurs Academy players come out being one footed - they are forced to practice with their 'wrong' foot so as to come out better players, albeit they may have a stronger foot but they are not like Lamela,
This being the one thing Id hope he have done by now. Goals.
But saying that I think his team mates have been very selfish, examples like Chelsea, Kane should have cut the ball back for Lamela instead he tried to shoot from a tight angle, Arsenal Chadli should have squared the ball for a tap in for Lamela.
He's been unlucky hitting the bar and post
against Sunderland and Southampton.
Stoke keeper pulled off a worldie from his free kick.
Every game he plays he will create chances and does do.
Yes he has flaws but every player does.
No right foot? Brighton disagree.
 

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Obviously Kane's done well, I'm one of his biggest supporters. It's got no relevance whatsoever to Lamela and his success or lack of though, no matter how much you try to make it seem so. They do not play in the same position, they do not have the same background, they are not the same type of player. Why are you even starting out by comparing Kane and Lamela?

This is getting silly, but 'for balance' it's not remotely pertinant whether an AM scores goals if he creates goals for others. As I already said. If he gets 20 assists are you going to start moaning that he didn't score? Or would you only be happy if he got ten goals and ten assists, despite it being the same result?

It's not squeeky bum time. It's 14 games time. It doesn't matter what foot he uses. It doesn't matter whether he hits 74.2% of his shots with the inside of the boot. All that matters is if he has a positive effect on the team, helps us to win games, and ultimately that he produces more than the alternatives for his position. Which so far he has been doing. All the tiny pointless stuff is just that - pointless, for anyone outside Poch and his coaching staff.

I cannot believe you care this much.
Yes I do care about Spurs - and the impact or otherwise .that players are having on the team. Irs called being a fan In general terms the more expensive the player the more I expect him to perform - hence the need to analyse the performances (including whether a player is one footed or two footed). And I'm hoping that Lamela ups his game a lot.
 
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Obviously Kane's done well, I'm one of his biggest supporters. It's got no relevance whatsoever to Lamela and his success or lack of though, no matter how much you try to make it seem so. They do not play in the same position, they do not have the same background, they are not the same type of player. Why are you even starting out by comparing Kane and Lamela?

This is getting silly, but 'for balance' it's not remotely pertinant whether an AM scores goals if he creates goals for others. As I already said. If he gets 20 assists are you going to start moaning that he didn't score? Or would you only be happy if he got ten goals and ten assists, despite it being the same result?

It's not squeeky bum time. It's 14 games time. It doesn't matter what foot he uses. It doesn't matter whether he hits 74.2% of his shots with the inside of the boot. All that matters is if he has a positive effect on the team, helps us to win games, and ultimately that he produces more than the alternatives for his position. Which so far he has been doing. All the tiny pointless stuff is just that - pointless, for anyone outside Poch and his coaching staff.

I cannot believe you care this much.
I am surprised at the tone of some of your posts, Bobbins. Of course we care. Sad as it might be, Spurs means an awful lot to us.
 

Bobbins

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I thought you wanted to write last season off. Why are you now throwing it back into the mix?
I'll be genuinely surprised if, come the end of the season, Lennon matches Lamela's goals/assists contribution given the same number of minutes played (roughly).

Lennon's been one of the most unproductive players at the club for at least a couple of years.
 

Spursidol

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This being the one thing Id hope he have done by now. Goals.
But saying that I think his team mates have been very selfish, examples like Chelsea, Kane should have cut the ball back for Lamela instead he tried to shoot from a tight angle, Arsenal Chadli should have squared the ball for a tap in for Lamela.
He's been unlucky hitting the bar and post
against Sunderland and Southampton.
Stoke keeper pulled off a worldie from his free kick.
Every game he plays he will create chances and does do.
Yes he has flaws but every player does.
No right foot? Brighton disagree.
As I've pointed out before, AM's are supposed to score, as well as create. Top AM's playing for Spurs are supposed to score in PL - if they are still learning then of course they learn by scoring in the cups against lesser teams - so if Lamela scoring against Brighton is what you think hiis best moment is, then its clear that you think that's his level now. Compare that with Eriksen's 5 PL goals if you like.

My point is that I'm expecting a far more developed player than that foir £30m (or £25m),
 

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I'll be genuinely surprised if, come the end of the season, Lennon matches Lamela's goals/assists contribution given the same number of minutes played (roughly).
is that the be all and end all then? how about if everyone else around lamela suffers and we look shit as a result? was it happenstance that we looked far improved with lennon in the side against everton? would we have looked just as good if not better with lamela instead?
 
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I'll be genuinely surprised if, come the end of the season, Lennon matches Lamela's goals/assists contribution given the same number of minutes played (roughly).

Lennon's been one of the most unproductive players at the club for at least a couple of years.
Years ago, you hammered me for hammering Lennon, so thanks for nothing, Bobbins.
 

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is that the be all and end all then? how about if everyone else around lamela suffers and we look shit as a result? was it happenstance that we looked far improved with lennon in the side against everton? would we have looked just as good if not better with lamela instead?
Is your opinion that everyone else suffers more when Lamela plays than if Lennon or Townsend play ?
 

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I thought you wanted to write last season off. Why are you now throwing it back into the mix?
Think BC wants to write off this season.

And I'm getting that way too, but only so we can move some under performing players on as well as develop others to the standard we need in time for next season. And I'm hoping Lamela ups his game to prove he's a PL player rather than one only able to look good in the cups/EL group stages
 

Bobbins

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Yes I do care about Spurs - and the impact or otherwise .that players are having on the team. Irs called being a fan In general terms the more expensive the player the more I expect him to perform - hence the need to analyse the performances (including whether a player is one footed or two footed). And I'm hoping that Lamela ups his game a lot.
Ah I see, sorry, I must not be a fan then because I'm willing to give a young player some leeway and not analyse every single kick of the ball. My mistake. And here I was thinking I'd been supporting Spurs for thirty years. What a silly sausage I am!

I am surprised at the tone of some of your posts, Bobbins. Of course we care. Sad as it might be, Spurs means an awful lot to us.
I don't think a fan's level of nitpicking is commensurate with their level of support for the club, mate. I understand that you're very interested in the incredibly fine details, but that doesn't mean someone who isn't (for perfectly good reasons) is less of a fan somehow.

I'm not one of these 'football's a simple game innit' people, but I do think micro-analysis like this helps very few people (except the player, sometimes, when it comes from the coach). The bigger picture is more important, which is as I said above - is he contributing to the team, and is it at a level over and above the potential contributions of his rivals for the position?
 

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Yeah, but Lennon and Townsend haven't scored any either. And here's some more stats, just for the record:

He makes the second most key passes per game (1.7 - Eriksen 2.0) so far this season in our team.

He sees more of the ball per game than Lennon and Townsend put together.

He makes the same tackles per game as Lennon and Townsend put together.

More interceptions per game than Lennon and Townsend put together.



And I've been arguing his worth over the other options without stats. I can see he's contributing more to our team just by watching him. But those stats support what I think I'm seeing.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't give a tinkers toss if Lamela tackles more than Lennon or Townsend - none of which are going to go down in the annuls as 'hard nuts' on the field.

This comparison with Lennon and Townsend has got to stop because it's a completely redundant subject as neither are proving to be long term players at this club. Being slightly better then them is hardly a ringing endorsement for a side looking to get back in the Champions League and win some silverware is it?!

Lamela was brought in to be a match winner, a goal getter - someone who can create something from nothing and turn defeat into a draw and a draw into a victory. He hasn't done this. He doesn't look like doing this.

Dempsey was a proverbial donkey on the pitch yet popped up match winning/saving moments - all of which hold far more credence than making one more tackle or intercepting a pass with his bollocks.

Hell, even Siggy after being routinely panned here (myself included) would probably have similar stats to Lamela this season.

Point is, Lamela's contribution is easily replaceable which is sentiment that myself, JH, Blake, Spurs Idol et al are all alluding to and there hasn't been a compelling argument to sway our views other than "he's a bit better than Azza and Andros" or laughably he could be the next Bale!
 
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Think BC wants to write off this season.

And I'm getting that way too, but only so we can move some under performing players on as well as develop others to the standard we need in time for next season. And I'm hoping Lamela ups his game to prove he's a PL player rather than one only able to look good in the cups/EL group stages
I don't demand results these days, Spursidol, but I believe there is an opportunity there for us this season if we can put a few results together.
 

Blake Griffin

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Is your opinion that everyone else suffers more when Lamela plays than if Lennon or Townsend play ?
at the moment ... yes, well with regards to lennon, probably not townsend. lamela closes the space, he's unpredictable in that his teammates don't really know what he's going to do(other than run into defenders currently) and i think lennon really set the tempo for others to follow in our pressing game on sunday, lamela's just not as sharp or as mobile to be as effective in that sense.
 

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Is your opinion that everyone else suffers more when Lamela plays than if Lennon or Townsend play ?
Against Everton, Spurs looked far better as a team when Lennon played, which is up until he was subbed by Lamela.

You can only look at individual games to form an opinion - and this is a good one as its a direct comparison where one player replaces another.

And if you are not happy with that example, ask the other question. Did the extra £20m+ price tag show up against Everton - did Lamela make that much more of a difference than Lennon when he came on ?
 

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As I've pointed out before, AM's are supposed to score, as well as create. Top AM's playing for Spurs are supposed to score in PL - if they are still learning then of course they learn by scoring in the cups against lesser teams - so if Lamela scoring against Brighton is what you think hiis best moment is, then its clear that you think that's his level now. Compare that with Eriksen's 5 PL goals if you like.

My point is that I'm expecting a far more developed player than that foir £30m (or £25m),
His best moment? Now your making stuff up.
I said it in reference to the right foot.
Chadli would have 3 goals less if Lamela wasn't feeding him.
Care to name any through balls Eriksen or Chadli have played?
I could name a shed load Lamela has played that haven't been finished.
If they had this debate wouldn't be happening.
 

jezz

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Against Everton, Spurs looked far better as a team when Lennon played, which is up until he was subbed by Lamela.

You can only look at individual games to form an opinion - and this is a good one as its a direct comparison where one player replaces another.

And if you are not happy with that example, ask the other question. Did the extra £20m+ price tag show up against Everton - did Lamela make that much more of a difference than Lennon when he came on ?
One game got any others?
 
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