Ratings vs Chelsea

Discussion in 'Match Ratings Archive' started by Bulletspur, Dec 3, 2014.

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  1. Lloris

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  2. Chiiriches

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  3. Fazio

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  4. Verts

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  5. Davies

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  6. Bentaleb

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  7. Mason

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  8. Lennon

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  9. Lamela

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  10. Eriksen

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  11. Kane

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  12. Paulinho

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  14. Soldado

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  1. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    Ok, that's your prerogative.If it's easily replaceable why have we had so few top quality creative players over the last few years ?

    It's not just about one facet or one set of those stats, it's about the whole set, everything he does that can be quantified and everything else we think we see.

    He was brought in to improve the team. I think, though it may be marginal right now, he has.

    That is the bottom line right now, surely ?
     
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  2. jonathanhotspur

    jonathanhotspur Loose Cannon

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    You've got me wrong, Bobbins, and I apologise if that's how it sounded-I'm not saying you're less of a fan than me. This kind of discussion is the whole raison d'être for this place.
     
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  3. Bus-Conductor

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    Well I could look at about 250 of Lennon's individual games and tell you he did fuck all. So that's 250-1 to Lamela.
     
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  4. Spursidol

    Spursidol Well-Known Member

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    I'd agree with that - but only if more of our current players perform to the higher standards currently being showen by some of our younger players such as Kane and Bentaleb - and unfortunately its mainly our expensive players who need to step up more (including Lamela)

    Plus of course any changes we can make in January TW
     
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  5. Bobbins

    Bobbins SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008

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    I used to like him ;)
     
  6. Chris12

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    He come on when pressure was high and was only going to get higher as is the case in most games where one team is only wining by 1 goal and was for like 20 minutes, my lord.
     
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  7. jonathanhotspur

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    Why are you calling me two bob?
     
  8. Spursidol

    Spursidol Well-Known Member

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    Lamela's not been here for 250 games, and at the moment he seems as likely to have bad games as good games.

    We also acquired Lennon fior £1m versus £30m (or £25m) for Lamela - and if I pay that many times one player's price I want that much more player - no ? And I have not seen it yet.
     
  9. Bus-Conductor

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    What about the Chelsea game where thanks to Lennon's failure to track Hazrd we found ourselves behind to the worst team in the league to be behind, having made a good start ?

    Do we conveniently block out the couple of hundred games where Lennon hasn't pressed or actually engaged the opposition properly and has been largely invisible ? Did that help his team mates more than Lamela has been ?

    I do not think so.
     
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  10. Spursidol

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    He came on when we hoped his fresh legs would make a big difference. It didn't. So as I've said welsewhere, he needs to up his game to play well in PL
     
  11. Bobbins

    Bobbins SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008

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    That is a very good point - I honestly don't know. I have thought about that. I certainly don't think Lennon was the reason we looked far improved. He probably contributed to the effectively stifling of Baines. But his defending against Chelsea was shit, so is he great, or crap? Or something in between?

    But the first bit is just silly - no-one around Lamela is 'suffering'. He is not making us look shit.

    This debate has spiralled out of all control and common sense if people are going to start claiming that Lamela is making the team look shit. That is quite clearly not the case.
     
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  12. jonathanhotspur

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    And that useless prick Sigurdsson has bagged 2 goals and 8 assists for Swansea this season. Are we doing something wrong?
     
  13. Bobbins

    Bobbins SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008

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    One thing I don't understand, why do you keep saying he cost £30m (£25m)?

    He cost £26m. That's it. Not £30m, not £25m. £26m. Can you please stop with this £30m stuff? It undermines your every post.
     
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  14. felmani26

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    If we spent £30million for a marginal improvement on Lennon then that's a damning indictment of our transfer policy if ever I saw one!
     
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  15. Blake Griffin

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    yes, lennon should've done better in that instance, just like lamela should've done better against arsenal and city. i don't know what relevance lennon's previous 250 games has on who is better for the team right now so i wish you'd stop bringing up such a nonsensical point. i wouldn't be against both lennon and lamela playing in the same team were it not for eriksen and kane being much better/more effective players than lamela currently, not to mention chadli. i want lennon in the team at this moment, we have little pace without him, he opens up the game for others around him, he's a more effective presser and his teammates trust that he'll make the right decision more often than not even if it is usually the safer choice.
     
  16. Bobbins

    Bobbins SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008

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    Nail on head.

    We've been doing things wrong for several seasons now. We buy players for the sake of buying players. We should be buying players to play in a specific position which is also their natural position, which fits into a system they're comfortable with.

    We don't buy the right players for whatever system we seem to be trying to implement, on a regular basis.
     
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  17. Blake Griffin

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    it was 26m + 4m in add ons. 2m being cl dependant and i guess the other 2m being performance related, so i guess we can thank lamela for saving us 2m so far.
     
  18. Bobbins

    Bobbins SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008

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    So £26m then. Cool.
     
  19. Spursidol

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  20. jonathanhotspur

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    No. £30m when he inevitably turns out to be as good as Bale.
     
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