Ratings vs Chelsea

MOM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chiiriches

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Fazio

    Votes: 15 5.8%
  • Verts

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Davies

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Bentaleb

    Votes: 151 58.8%
  • Mason

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

    Votes: 65 25.3%
  • Paulinho

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Chadli

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Soldado

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 4.3%

  • Total voters
    257

Tit&Ham

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#42
You know what?
Losing always makes me sad, but after this game I am happier than ever (or 4 years):

We played Chelsea as "equals" not in any way trying to find a magical formula to somehow scrape some points with us.
And we did it good! Yes, they are one or two heads ahead of us still, but that was a tight match. They have a winning culture, some excellent players and are just pure class (sad to say). Individual brilliance and smartness ensured them the win.

But we played Lloris, Davies, Bentaleb, Mason, Lamela, Eriksen and Kane - All of them having about 10-13 years left on their career!

And Bentaleb and Kane were world class!

It gives me so much hope and to for the future, that I don't mind if we get 10th this year!
And after they scored 1, 2 and 3 goals all I could hear was OUR fans singing!!!! #Proud
And in the final 10 minutes we started the same continuos Yid-song over and over again just as we did Vs Everton!

Its Happy days for me I tell you!!

Ratings:
Lorris - 3: It's okay Hugo, you are forgiven

Chiriches - 3: Awful game. Some good crosses, but that was a bad effort.
Fazio - 6: I'm starting to believe in this partnership!
Verts - 6: Bit unlucky for their second, but I'm again believing in Jan! He steps up like he used to!
Davies - 6+: He's is getting there! Me like!

Mason - 6: Good, not great today. Could not see that he is 1000 games more inexperienced than the oppositions.
Bentaleb - 8: Yes!! That was extraordinary!

Lennon - 5: Went hiding. Work-rate ok.
Eriksen - 5: Not his day, but we cannot expect him to be world class each game.
Lamela - 5: He has it, but he doesn't get it out. Loses the ball to easy to many times. Potential.

Kane - 8: Damn! So intelligent, so much work rate, so strong, and he is even fast enough! #Crush

Kane can be a supporter-hero guiding Spurs into consistent top 4 - finishes for the next decade!

Pochettino: I believe again! Give him all the time in the world!
 

sim0n

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#43
Bentaleb was one of the very few Spurs players last night who did not seem to be afraid of chel$ki,... MotM and hoping his confidence can spread throughout the team.
 

THOWIG

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#44
Decent performance against the third best team in the world. Young side too. I like what Pochettino is doing.
 

DOX

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#45
If only we'd taken our chances, and Chelsea weren't such clinical bastards... Anyway, it was a very encouraging performance by the team. Bentaleb gave almost a Pirloesque performance and Kane was a beast!
 

Gilzeanking

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#47
Agree with the general view here, great team effort . Coupla small things..

I thought this wasn't a match for Soldado (5) and he was invisible when he came on as he would have been from the start .

Davies (5.5) may be 'solid' , he may have great passing stats...but as an attacking threat he was not much . His passes were backwards/sideways mainly .

Verts (5.5) bit unsure and got done by Remy ...Whoever it was who prevented us picking him up for a song a year or two ago should be left in a room with a service revolver . Massive incompetence given our striker problems .

Poch (6) I always say 'horses for courses' ..Was it the smartest move to go to a lottery win team like Chelsea with their current record and attempt to match them toe to toe ? Instead of looking at just how we are going to play, mebbe take a gander at the oppo and set up accordingly . I'm still looking for a stifling style from Spurs that can be deployed when appropriate . Mourinho
does this analysis and adaptation to the oppo so effectively . More pragmatism plz .
 
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SargeantMeatCurtains

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#49
For me, Kane and Bentaleb proved their credentials. They have the potential to be very special players, and they showed last night that they have the attitude and commitment to fulfil that potential.

Some of Kane's clean tackling in the final third was superb. He was still chasing every ball in the 90th minute.
 

Coyboy

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#50
Ruthless People

Here comes that favourite losing managers old chestnut. Take the positives.

Not one of my favourites I have to say. But sometimes you can, and indeed should. We didn't loose tonight because of poor selections, poor tactics or poor coaching. We lost tonight because we came up against one of the most ruthless managers and teams this league has seen. Mourinho is the ultimate ruthless winner, more than anything else he knows - and teaches - is how to win.

But on a night when even Mourinho admitted that his team could have been behind and 3-0 flattered them we can draw she positives IMO, some nights you just have to put your hands up and say we did our best, did some good things, we weren't out run, we weren't out fought, we weren't out played, we were just outclassed. Their individuals made less unforced mistakes, and were more ruthless in their play.

Tactically this was a decent overall performance, unfortunately punctuated by a few individual errors, ruthlessly punished, and in a few first half minutes the game landscape changed drastically. Chelsea are the last team you want to be 2 goals down to. Mourinho has them drilled to within an inch of their lives on what to do in just such a circumstance. They wind their collective necks into their impregnable turtle shell, and from there on in, like a poker player sitting on the biggest pile of chips, take no risks, only playing the best hands dealt, feeding off weaknesses of those that have to gamble.

The first goal was piss poor work from Lennon. He gets spun too easily, but worse he can still track Hazard, he lets him run off him and then moves too late.

The second was one those occasional Lloris clusterfucks. A poor clear out, no idea who to, but Chelsea ruthlessly punished it, and after a very bright first 20 minutes we found ourselves very harshly 2-0 down and against this bunch, that means virtually game over. But our heads didn't go down.

The 62% possession figure of course flattering us as second half Chelsea had parked their luxury uber bus, but I've seen many, much worse performances after going behind at Chelsea than this one. We gave it our best shot, dominated the ball, tried to manoeuvre it round that impregnable fort of the Mourinho defensive turtle, but to no avail. Their were moments when a piece of finesse or luck might have changed the narrative, but the crucial moment of inspiration couldn't reward the long spell of perspiration and then came the very cruel final, fatal wound. Vertonghen should have done better.

I think it would have been cleverer to switch to a proper 433, but the swap of Lamela in for Soldado wasn't a bad compromise. Lamela worked hard, dropped in and saw lots of ball, generally doing some good things, but as ever, there were a couple of times he hold on to the ball and lost it when a simple lay off would have worked better.

The defenders generally had a decent game. The midfielders were once again pretty well positionally disciplined and dynamic, and our work without the ball was good and approach play was often crisp. But not always, and while many of our players were guilty of the odd piece of carelessness, Mason really had quite a poor night with the ball and against a ruthless opponent like Chelsea, every misplaced pass takes on a more dangerous resonance.

Kane, if anything, was even better tonight than Sunday. Showed some really good touches in tight situations. Player of the night for me though was Bentaleb. 78/87 passes (90%), he just doesn't bottle it. He keeps showing, keeps playing, he has great technique, has a mental toughness, doesn't get flustered under pressure, this kid is a fucking gem. I said this a week or two ago in the U21 thread, but I'm going to repeat it. I think he's the best thing to come out of our academy since Ledley King.

For me, there were good things to take out of that game. Most of all that many of the good traits from Sunday were evident. The landscape changed completely with the second goal, I appreciate that, but we still showed character, tried to play football, and didn't just bend over.

Individual stuff (with passing stats just for the hell of it):

Lloris - Bad night at the office unfortunately.

Chiriches - one stupid mistake in the corner, but otherwise a pretty good game.

Fazio - Very decent game I thought.

Vertonghen - a decent game generally, but was a bit weak for the third goal.

Davies - Pretty solid.

Mason - Good without the ball - which is important - not a good night with the ball. This has been a little bit of a theme and he needs to improve it. He gives the ball away a lot more than every single one of our other midfielders (and attacking midfielders, including Lamela) and it's not like he's being super creative or incisive and that's the excuse. Nights like tonight when you are under pressure you have to take more care and make the right decisions. Hope he keeps his place though, because I like the duality of him and Bentaleb, they make for a genuine double pivot. 32/43 74%

Bentaleb - Very good game. 78/87 90%

Lennon - First goal is down to him. One time we got him on the ball into the box he makes a poor decision, turns back andy the moment is pissed away. The rest of the game he was OK without the ball and inconsequential when we had it. Normal service resumed. 18/21 86%

Lamela - I very decent game in terms of working for the team, showing and seeing plenty of the ball. A couple of those decision moments but actually otherwise played well and nearly created something for Chadli. 48/52 92%

Eriksen - An OK game, not terrible, not brilliant. 41/49 84%

Kane - Bloody good game. Showed better composure with the ball at his feet than he does sometimes. Worked his nuts off. Was unlucky with the header but really should have passed the ball back on the second one where he went through on the left.

Subs - In hindsight, all made sense.
You mean other than setting up our best chance?

If people are going to scrutinise him for their goal- for which he was at fault but Hazard has bamboozled better defenders than Lennon- he deserves credit in equal measure for some good that he did.
 

CheeseGromit

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#51
Bentelab for me
Fazio worth a mention followed by Kane

Got done by a team bought to play the way Maureen wants them to play

If not quite men against boys there was a difference in class. They have key players in key positions and good ones in the other ones all capable of doing a job. We don't
 

Jimmypearce7

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#52
Only saw the highlights but Vertonghen had a bit of a nightmare, didnt he? Has been playing well of late but for the first goal, he didnt move until the ball reached Drogba, by when it was too late, then he was out muscled by Loic Remy, who is hardly Hercules.

Miserable night, i flippin hate Chelsea.
 

faze_coys

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#53
Interesting that Lamela saw more of the ball than any of our front 6 bar Nabil and also gave it away the least.
whats more interesting is people who were supposedly watching the game saying all he does is give it away. He also made more tackles than everyone in our front 6, but again 'all he does is stupid fouls'


idiots.
 

NeverRed

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#54
Fazio was good, Lamela had some tidy play and Bentaleb probably the tidiest - though frustratingly backward/sideward playing a little too often.

Others also. Paulinho was ok, direct sometimes, but does this kind of ineffectual side/back/tip-tap play a fair bit. If there is no point making a pass don't make one. If the current onus is attacking, don't turn back and restart. If you've got into a positive position don't regress.

Davies was pretty solid.

Chiriches wasn't bad with the exception of some brain-farts/mistakes. I think he smokes weed.

Kane played with his heart again and was positive. Could have been smarter (how many times are you going to run into a brick wall before you realise you need another approach).

I thought Vertonghen and Eriksen didn't have a good game.

Spurs needed to go wider in the 2nd half, it was too congested in the middle. The double sub that brought mason off should have just been: Mason for Soldado (i.e. lennon should have stayed on, wide right); Lamela sent out wide left (possibly replaced by Chadli at some point); Eriksen centralised; 2 (Kane, Soldado) up top.
 

JimmyG2

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#55
Watched it on a very poor stream. Actually several very poor streams
so don't like to be too precise.

Chelsea champions elect and with the most pragmatic manager were never going to let this one slip once ahead.
If Kane's early header had gone in? Who knows. But the road to disappointment is paved with what if's and buts.
Take some heart from the attitude of players and approach of manager. Gave them a scare but 15 minutes out of 93 is not enough.
Against Everton we had 39% possession and won.
Against Chelsea we had 60% and lost by three goals.
Pass that one to the analytical statisticians who understand these things better than me.

Lloris........Responsible for at least one goal. Some good routine stops. But still love him
Chiriches.Thought he played well overall. Always up for a major error. Like him
Fazio........Has presence and good forward vision. Like him more and more.
Verts.........Apart from sitting down when he should stand up. Decent. Warming too him lately.
Davies......Stuck in defence mode. But fair enough against Chelsea. I'm not as cool as before.
Bentaleb.. Another good performance, and so young. Cockles duly warmed.
Mason......Not seeing the bigger picture enough.Warm glow fading a little.
Lennon.....Bit much to expect three good uns in a row. Always liked him and glad he's back somewhat.
Lamela.....Spurs great white hope. Not delivering yet. Slow burner. Me and Mauricio like him.
Kane....... Workrate and attitude amazing..Got the footballing hots for this boy.
Eriksen....Chelsea know how to deal with his kind of talent. Little boy lost appeal.Still love him.

Subs........Seemed sensible and effective
................Except Soldado. Perhaps a warm up for Saturday when he should start
 

DiscoD1882

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#56
I honestly can't believe what I've just heard them say on MOTD....about how Spurs fans should be very worried. What the actual fuck are they on about.

Yes individual mistakes gifted Chelsea the points but sometimes you can't legislate for that, we still had some very good moments in the game and we were playing a superior team, in a fixture we've always struggled in, who will probably win the league at a canter,
They didnt watch the game and made their assumptions watching the VERY limited highlights.
 
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#57
As a fan living in the sticks with family commitments I don't get to see as many games as I'd like.
With that in mind I'd like to say a big thank you to @Bus-Conductor for his write ups in this thread.
They are considered, informative and give a view of the performance free from the usual lazy media clichés.
Cheers mate, keep up the good work.
 

barry

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#58
To me it's no suprise the team has looked better since the return of AL. Lennon is vital to this team. He hasn't been at his best for a while but he works his nuts off, is brilliantly fast, stays wide and is selfless (real team player) This creates more space in the middle which let's our team play. Other teams know if they press too hard we always have an outlet ball in Lennon. I love the little man.
 

DiscoD1882

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#59
Interesting that Lamela saw more of the ball than any of our front 6 bar Nabil and also gave it away the least.
I watched the whole game last night and yes Lamela was involved which is good. problem is his involvment isnt where you want it to be. he is there to supply our forward line with chances to score or score himself. This is what i think frustrates me and others. He has a Bale shaped millstone around his neck which is no help to him. But on the flip side he just doesnt seem to do the right thing with the ball. I hope this will come with coaching and experience. He always looks like he is 75% in control of the ball.
 

Bus-Conductor

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#60
You mean other than setting up our best chance?

If people are going to scrutinise him for their goal- for which he was at fault but Hazard has bamboozled better defenders than Lennon- he deserves credit in equal measure for some good that he did.

One cross, slightly behind Kane does not deserve equal credit as giving a goal away does debit. It wasn't just the initial bamboozling, it was also the simple laziness of then not tracking him, despite probably being quicker. It was a really standard and simple one dimensional piece of play, he had nothing else to think about at that moment, but very important and he cost us enormously. And he compounded this by wasting one of the few times we got into a good position in the box in the second half. Also saw much less of the football than everyone else, and was rightly subbed.
 
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