Ratings vs Chelsea

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  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chiiriches

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Fazio

    Votes: 15 5.8%
  • Verts

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Davies

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Bentaleb

    Votes: 151 58.8%
  • Mason

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

    Votes: 65 25.3%
  • Paulinho

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Chadli

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Soldado

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 4.3%

  • Total voters
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SargeantMeatCurtains

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#81
Well Sir Spamalot (thanks for more tins) if you think getting thrashed 3-0 means we played well but were unlucky I suggest you buy a pair of glasses and take up tiddlywinks.
Mourinho was patronising. One or two players may well have played OK but we put out the wrong team and played the wrong tactics.
And for absolute certain Townsend is better than Lennon and Ade is better than Soldado.
There is such thing as losing whilst playing well, we were definitely not 'thrashed'. Believe it or not, but football isn't black and white, you can play well and still lose, a 3-0 loss doesn't simply reflect a 'thrashing', unless you're a simpleton such as yourself.

I'm going to ignore your Mourinho assumption because thats exactly what it is, an assumption based on absolutely nothing.

Townsend is not better than Lennon, and Adebayor (in his current mood) isn't even close to being better than Soldado. Try again.
 
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#82
Last night just makes me more sure that we can't accomodate Eriksen and Lamela in the same line up going forward. They're both either 6/10 or 9/10 players, there is nothing in between.

At the moment Eriksen is far more likely to be a PL match winner, so I'd start him in the majority of games and keep Lamela ticking over in the cups.

We're simply not a good enough team to accomodate them both in a functional system. Time to get give the Kane-Soldado axis some consecutive games, and keep Eriksen and Lennon on the flanks, with hopefully a truly pacey and powerful alternative brought in for Lennon in Jan.
 

prawnsandwich

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#83
Last night just makes me more sure that we can't accomodate Eriksen and Lamela in the same line up going forward. They're both either 6/10 or 9/10 players, there is nothing in between.

At the moment Eriksen is far more likely to be a PL match winner, so I'd start him in the majority of games and keep Lamela ticking over in the cups.
Unfortunately Lamela needs to be in the "shop window." It was a mercenary decision to play him last night after his rank performance at WHL v Everton.
A lot of money and points are going to be wasted around this kid.
 
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#86
Unfortunately Lamela needs to be in the "shop window." It was a mercenary decision to play him last night after his rank performance at WHL v Everton.
A lot of money and points are going to be wasted around this kid.
I don't think that's true. I think the idea was to try and get him and Lennon down the sides of Terry and Cahill - didn't really work.

I'm sure there is some pressure to play him, but doubt it was Poch's reason last night.
 

Azazello

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#87
I'm as critical of Ade as the next person...but I draw the line at critiquing him for a match when he wasn't even playing!
That's true but equally his finishing was non-existant last night. It was like he hadn't even prepared himself for the match. Its like he wasn't even on the pitch.
 

Gilzeanking

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#88

Noone on here seriously thought we would cause an upset because of one good performance against Everton did they?

It was David v Goliath!

....(Quote from yiddotilidie)

Yup and did David say , well I'm as strong as Goliath , I'm going to get my club and trade blows with him ? . No he chose a more long distance (dare I say counterattacking !) strategy . For Poch to try and outplay rampant Chelski at the Bridge tells me we have a rigidity problem at coach level . Poch has his style and thats what he's going to roll out whoever we play .

Keeping the religious theme didn't some prophet or other say ' Know thyself' . By anyone's reckoning we are weaker than Chelski
Poch must know this..why was this knowledge not included in his setup? His job is to get points on the board and adapting to the oppo is a central Head-coach trait imo .

Yes mate ,I see your comment re not having the players to play defensive/counterattack style . What ? and Sunderland do ?

Sunderland 'knew themselves' and adapted last week . A 0-0 with a twist of luck is a 1-0 win .

More pragmatism from Poch plz .
 

stonecolddeanaustin

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#92

Noone on here seriously thought we would cause an upset because of one good performance against Everton did they?

It was David v Goliath!

....(Quote from yiddotilidie)

Yup and did David say , well I'm as strong as Goliath , I'm going to get my club and trade blows with him ? . No he chose a more long distance (dare I say counterattacking !) strategy . For Poch to try and outplay rampant Chelski at the Bridge tells me we have a rigidity problem at coach level . Poch has his style and thats what he's going to roll out whoever we play .

Keeping the religious theme didn't some prophet or other say ' Know thyself' . By anyone's reckoning we are weaker than Chelski
Poch must know this..why was this knowledge not included in his setup? His job is to get points on the board and adapting to the oppo is a central Head-coach trait imo .

Yes mate ,I see your comment re not having the players to play defensive/counterattack style . What ? and Sunderland do ?

Sunderland 'knew themselves' and adapted last week . A 0-0 with a twist of luck is a 1-0 win .

More pragmatism from Poch plz .
He lined us up very defensively against the goons though so I think he's got it in him to mix it up a bit. He also lined up with 5 in midfield (getting lambasted by some for dropping Soldado) against Chelsea so it wasn't exactly all out attack. 2 errors in the space of 5 minutes that had nothing to do with the tactics cost us that game imo.
 

Gb160

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#94
Agree. some of these pundits are so bad its unreal. Titty Haman has some beer belly doesn't he? He's a horrendous pundit. He looks like a lazy slob now - just a lazy pundit.
You mean the Didi Hamann who at the beginning of the season said "Chelsea will struggle this year" ?
 
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#95
Got to have a little nibble at Pochettino for going with a CM2 and starting Lamela.
I think him going to a 4411 so soon is a minor miracle considering the level of faith he has in 4231.

433 will have to wait a little longer, I suspect (if that's what you're suggesting you'd have preferred?). But now he has gone 'off piste' he could possibly surprise us with it before the season is out.

The thing is he will want to play a proper 4231 next season and his main objective will be to keep trying out personnel within that structure to see who he needs and who needs to go.

It may be painful in patches but we've seen with chelsea what a properly constructed 4231 can do. Though we may not be able to match the sheer quality of personnel overall, poch will make sure he assembles a bunch of players that will execute as the sum of their parts, if not more.

There will be more pain in this process towards his vision, but it will be well worth it.

Ok, that's quite a response to your post...got a bit carried away there.:D
 

prawnsandwich

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#96
The thing is he will want to play a proper 4231 next season and his main objective will be to keep trying out personnel within that structure to see who he needs and who needs to go.

It may be painful in patches but we've seen with chelsea what a properly constructed 4231 can do. Though we may not be able to match the sheer quality of personnel overall, poch will make sure he assembles a bunch of players that will execute as the sum of their parts, if not more.

There will be more pain in this process towards his vision, but it will be well worth it.
Only a masochist wants unnecessary pain. Even rats don't want to be experimented on.
4-4-2 (call it what you like) for the players we have for the rest of the season. Then next summer try and buy a great enough striker to play up front on his own. Discover there are no such strikers. Get a very good striker(s) who can play in a forward duo and play 4-4-2 next season too.
 
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#97
You know what?
Losing always makes me sad, but after this game I am happier than ever (or 4 years):

We played Chelsea as "equals" not in any way trying to find a magical formula to somehow scrape some points with us.
And we did it good! Yes, they are one or two heads ahead of us still, but that was a tight match. They have a winning culture, some excellent players and are just pure class (sad to say). Individual brilliance and smartness ensured them the win.

But we played Lloris, Davies, Bentaleb, Mason, Lamela, Eriksen and Kane - All of them having about 10-13 years left on their career!

And Bentaleb and Kane were world class!

It gives me so much hope and to for the future, that I don't mind if we get 10th this year!
And after they scored 1, 2 and 3 goals all I could hear was OUR fans singing!!!! #Proud
And in the final 10 minutes we started the same continuos Yid-song over and over again just as we did Vs Everton!

Its Happy days for me I tell you!!

Pochettino: I believe again! Give him all the time in the world!
(y)
 

kungfugrip

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#98
I thought we did well - seems ludricous to be upbeat after being beaten by THEM, but we looked decent. Bentaleb is a very, very good midfielder in the making if we can nurture and develop him. Pity we don't have a midfield master for him to learn from. I don't really blame Lloris for the first goal - he seems to be getting a lot of flack for that - it was spanked past him at serious speed from close range.
 
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#99
I think him going to a 4411 so soon is a minor miracle considering the level of faith he has in 4231.

433 will have to wait a little longer, I suspect (if that's what you're suggesting you'd have preferred?). But now he has gone 'off piste' he could possibly surprise us with it before the season is out.

The thing is he will want to play a proper 4231 next season and his main objective will be to keep trying out personnel within that structure to see who he needs and who needs to go.

It may be painful in patches but we've seen with chelsea what a properly constructed 4231 can do. Though we may not be able to match the sheer quality of personnel overall, poch will make sure he assembles a bunch of players that will execute as the sum of their parts, if not more.

There will be more pain in this process towards his vision, but it will be well worth it.

Ok, that's quite a response to your post...got a bit carried away there.:D
Yes, I would have liked to see 3 central midfielders, tt, but in saying that, I appreciate that our options weren't hectic. Capoue has almost certainly been a very naughty boy, Dembele and Paulinho are surplus to requirements and none of us can be quite sure what the deal with Stambouli is.

Starting Lamela certainly didn't play dividends and it was difficult to see what Soldado could bring to the party, even before we conceded the third.

I don't have an issue with the 4-2-3-1 formation per se-I've been a fan of it for a good few years.
 
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Only a masochist wants unnecessary pain. Even rats don't want to be experimented on.
4-4-2 (call it what you like) for the players we have for the rest of the season. Then next summer try and buy a great enough striker to play up front on his own. Discover there are no such strikers. Get a very good striker (s) who can play in a forward duo and play 4-4-2 next season too.
You are right on one aren't you, ps. Kinell mate.

Only a fucking idiot can't see what's going on here and there are way too many on this site atm.

But I suppose negative attention is still attention to some.
 
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