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  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chiiriches

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Fazio

    Votes: 15 5.8%
  • Verts

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Davies

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Bentaleb

    Votes: 151 58.8%
  • Mason

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

    Votes: 65 25.3%
  • Paulinho

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Chadli

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Soldado

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 4.3%

  • Total voters
    257

Mullers

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Jan 4, 2006
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There are some positives to be taken out the game but getting down to the 411, we lost and let in 3 goals.
Never feel happy about being a loser.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Is he really a number 10 either considering his decision making in the final third is abysmal - or relatively so considering his price tag.

He doesn't possess a great amount of pace, nor beats his man. Hasn't got a great passing range coupled with some atrocious underhit/overhit decision making in the final third and currently doesn't look like developing into a prolific goal scorer from wide either.

Look, I'm not saying he's complete and utter horse shit but he needs to display an awful lot more than what he's currently serving us with and IMO is classed with Dembele - style over substance.
I'm not saying his decision making will definitely improve, I do have a feeling that he's been somewhat scarred by the whole first season experience, and is not playing freely and naturally, a mixture of trying too hard, and playing a bit anxiously.

At the moment it's looking like we should sell at the end of the season and cut our losses, but I'll give him the rest of the season and see if anything emerges from the chrysalis.
 

jezz

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Aug 21, 2013
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Lamela was already playing a prominent role at a top club in a top league before coming over to us.

Appreciate there has been huge upheaval at this club in a relative short space of time but how much more does Lamela have be fucking molly-coddled before we get a semblance of what we splashed 30 million big ones on him for?!
Jesus how many more times, it wasn't 30 big ones.
Modric first season in Madrid they thought they bought a dummy.
Funnily enough we said the same when he first came here.
We soon changed our tune as did Madrid fans.
Modric came from a team that had got to the CL quarter finals.
See a pattern here?
 

Blake Griffin

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Oct 3, 2011
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Jesus how many more times, it wasn't 30 big ones.
Modric first season in Madrid they thought they bought a dummy.
Funnily enough we said the same when he first came here.
We soon changed our tune as did Madrid fans.
Modric came from a team that had got to the CL quarter finals.
See a pattern here?

not really, no. modric got better so lamela will?

i've supported lamela from the beginning but i have to admit, i'm wavering a little now. i thought he'd be starting to get it by now but if anything he just looks lost whilst the game frantically goes on around him.
 

jezz

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Aug 21, 2013
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not really, no. modric got better so lamela will?

i've supported lamela from the beginning but i have to admit, i'm wavering a little now. i thought he'd be starting to get it by now but if anything he just looks lost whilst the game frantically goes on around him.
I think he will.
Let's see
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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I stick to what I said last season about Lamela. When he sticks to keeping things relatively simple, pass and move etc, he looks a much better footballer. Its when he tries more than this... No doubt someone will pull out a gif of him mugging off some Albanian part-timers to try and prove me wrong on this, but his dribbling is quite frankly pretty rubbish and he coughs up possession at a spectacular rate when he does.

As I said, nothing has really changed in a year. What's more disappointing is that it seems he cant work this out himself, calm down a bit and start doing the simple, effective things more often. We have seen he has an eye for finding a pocket of space and then the pass, but its not quite often enough and is not as frequent as him overplaying and sometimes infuriating. The coaching team also have a role to play in this, they need to be getting at him and telling him what he needs to focus on. Pass and move.
 

felmani26

SC Supporter
Jan 1, 2008
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Jesus how many more times, it wasn't 30 big ones.
Modric first season in Madrid they thought they bought a dummy.
Funnily enough we said the same when he first came here.
We soon changed our tune as did Madrid fans.
Modric came from a team that had got to the CL quarter finals.
See a pattern here?
Am I the only one here who isn't recognising the pattern between Lamela's progress and Modric at Real Madrid?!

:sneaky:
 

Black

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May 21, 2007
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Did come one really think Jan was on the same level as Cahill, wow
 

Cravenspurs

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Jul 31, 2011
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i would not argue particularly on a 1 - 1 comparison but it is about the team more than the players

Last night Chelski showed that they are not a team in the making but have been playing this way for a while Costa and Fabregas were simply improvements on previous personnel I happen to think that Matic makes a difference ( as did Yaya Tuore for Citeh last season) We do need a dominant player in that hub role Mason and Bentelab are doing well for youngsters but are a bit of a way off at present.
i also think the full backs are very important parts of their team Looking forward to Walker and Davies making more of their role in future


Completely agree. Can't discount our transitional periods where there is no identity. Chelsea have remained a stable institution despite a couple ins and outs of managers. The fullback shape will also help a great majority.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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We couldn't afford to spend that kind of money and not get a substantial return within six months, tt, let alone two seasons. I think that regardless of however good he might go on to be, he was the not the player we ought to have bought.

Putting his price tag to one side, I am sticking to my guns in saying that we haven't much choice but to persist with him when you look at the lack of attacking options we have.

I think he is absolutely the type of player we should be buying - young, clearly talented, has desire, but unfulfilled potential - we just over paid.

And the simple truth is, what he offers a team is still an upgrade on the likes of Lennon and Townsend. So you are completely correct when you say we have to put his price tag to one side and play him.

He's the same player whether paid 25m or 2.5m, so now it's all about who's best for the team.

If you're bird came home and said she'd paid £30 for a potato who would you be more pissed off with, her or the potato ?

Edit
And he and Eriksen can play in the same team.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Of course they can play in the same team. Gerrard and Lampard could play in central midfield for England. Was it he the best balance and blend for the team though?

Neither Gerrard or Lampard should ever had played a CM2, especially not as a pair.

I think Eriksen and Lamela are fine in the same attacking 4. And I would take them two over any combination with Lennon or Townsend in most weeks.
 

guiltyparty

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Sep 21, 2005
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Soldado - NET. Personally I think it was madness not starting him. After all this time and he finally scores, even if he didn't score tonight just to maintain his confidence that he earned his spot. Same happened last year and it backfired, hope won't be similar. Think it was really odd decision.

This.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Neither Gerrard or Lampard should ever had played a CM2, especially not as a pair.

I think Eriksen and Lamela are fine in the same attacking 4. And I would take them two over any combination with Lennon or Townsend in most weeks.
Of course you do, because you like little touch players, who come to the ball, and like to get on it often. The problem is that these players need options who run off the ball and create targets for their passing. Otherwise we just end up with three No 10s fannying about in the space outside the penalty area going straight into the defenders' banks of four. It's so easy to defend against.
 

jonathanhotspur

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Jun 28, 2009
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I think he is absolutely the type of player we should be buying - young, clearly talented, has desire, but unfulfilled potential - we just over paid.

And the simple truth is, what he offers a team is still an upgrade on the likes of Lennon and Townsend. So you are completely correct when you say we have to put his price tag to one side and play him.

He's the same player whether paid 25m or 2.5m, so now it's all about who's best for the team.

If you're bird came home and said she'd paid £30 for a potato who would you be more pissed off with, her or the potato ?

Edit
And he and Eriksen can play in the same team.
I am annoyed with our transfer committee. He might be the type of player we should be buying but is he the player we should have bought?
 

jezz

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Aug 21, 2013
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I am annoyed with our transfer committee. He might be the type of player we should be buying but is he the player we should have bought?
Yes
A highly rated youngster will bags of talent that needs fine tuning.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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I am annoyed with our transfer committee. He might be the type of player we should be buying but is he the player we should have bought?

It's a difficult market in this respect. There are very few unearthed gems floating around. If a kid in the Ivory Coast can do a step over, chances are European scouts have already got youtube clips and a dossier on him.

The closer to home you get the more attention this kid will have already garnered. (see Alan Halovic and Tin Jedvaj).

The price that players like Bale have gone for has raised the bar, even for potential. If there's the remotest chance they may be the next Bale, no selling club is going to say 10m any more. Bare in mind Lamela had just banged in 15 goals in 33 games playing as an auxiliary striker for a team at the top of Serie A. He works hard, tackles back and gets involved in the game too. You can see why at 21 he was over priced.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Of course you do, because you like little touch players, who come to the ball, and like to get on it often. The problem is that these players need options who run off the ball and create targets for their passing. Otherwise we just end up with three No 10s fannying about in the space outside the penalty area going straight into the defenders' banks of four. It's so easy to defend against.


Doesn't seem to be doing Chelsea much harm.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Doesn't seem to be doing Chelsea much harm.
Do me a favour, and get serious...

Chelsea can afford the best, buying and paying multi-faceted players that can do it all, Hazard, Willian, Oscar, they're comfortable out wide or in the centre in a way the likes of Eriksen and Lamela aren't. Hazard does maintain the width, and always offers an outlet, Mourinho's kept banging away at him until he follows instructions to the letter.
 
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