Match Ratings Ratings vs Chelsea

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I repeat, this season’s assists for premier league defenders....

That's not the most accurate way of measuring their productivity/performance though BBLG, it's what they produce per minute that is more telling, Trippier and Davies absolutely piss Walker, despite Walker playing for Pep's ManC:

And both Davies and Trippier, out perform what Rose did last season too.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

That's not the most accurate way of measuring their productivity/performance though BBLG, it's what they produce per minute that is more telling, Trippier and Davies absolutely piss Walker, despite Walker playing for Pep's ManC:

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And both Davies and Trippier, out perform what Rose did last season too.

It really isn't.

 

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It really isn't.

It actually is.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

It actually is.

It is now for you, but it never used to be.

What the fuck is a key pass? And who decides that?

The fact that Walker doesn't play the same role as Trippier has an effect on this, as does the way Man City play. If it was a worthwhile comparison, you could only use the minutes that all players have played against the same opposition, with the same variables. It's at times like this I miss sloth.

Assists, Key Passes, Minutes Played, can all fuck off. While there is a hole in my arse, Walker is a better full back than Trippier, Aurier, Davies and Rose.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

That's not the most accurate way of measuring their productivity/performance though BBLG, it's what they produce per minute that is more telling, Trippier and Davies absolutely piss Walker, despite Walker playing for Pep's ManC:

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And both Davies and Trippier, out perform what Rose did last season too.

I guess my overarching point is that the accusation of them being blunt going forward is tired and inorrect, they wouldn’t have those stats if they weren’t good in attack because the position they play, barring the exceptional (Eriksen’s goal v Chelsea) their most common opportunity to create results from either (or both) a great delivery or getting into a great position, so for full backs who generally get chalk on their boots (especially Tripp) assist stats are fairly revelatory.

 

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Walker doesn't have to do much creatively, he's got shedloads of other talent to do that ahead of him. His job is to use his pace to snuff out threats and keep the opposition penned in. Very different from what we used him to do.

 

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It is now for you, but it never used to be.

What the fuck is a key pass? And who decides that?

The fact that Walker doesn't play the same role as Trippier has an effect on this, as does the way Man City play. If it was a worthwhile comparison, you could only use the minutes that all players have played against the same opposition, with the same variables. It's at times like this I miss sloth.

Assists, Key Passes, Minutes Played, can all fuck off. While there is a hole in my arse, Walker is a better full back than Trippier, Aurier, Davies and Rose.

Or we could use the comparison for when they both played for Spurs, last season, when Trippier also pissed all over Walker for those same offensive metrics.

Walker is quicker and physically more robust when defending, but he doesn't read the game any better, defensively, than Trippier, and you just stating it doesn't make it so, and will have you in trouble with Coyboy's "unqualified statement" police. Walker definitely isn't better in terms of what they contribute offensively, which is a massive part of what both Guadiola and Pochettino want from a FB.

And lets be honest, where full back opinions are concerned, someone that thinks Coentrao is a shit Ekotto, probably isn't the smartest bear booboo.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Or we could use the comparison for when they both played for Spurs, last season, when Trippier also pissed all over Walker for those same offensive metrics.

Walker is quicker and physically more robust when defending, but he doesn't read the game any better, defensively, than Trippier, and you just stating it doesn't make it so, and will have you in trouble with Coyboy's "unqualified statement" police. Walker definitely isn't better in terms of what they contribute offensively, which is a massive part of what both Guadiola and Pochettino want from a FB.

And lets be honest, where full back opinions are concerned, someone that thinks Coentrao is a shit Ekotto, probably isn't the smartest bear booboo.

Coentrao was pony. Simple as. He had good hair, but that was generally it. He played for Real Madrid, but so did Royston Drenthe.

And again, no fair comparison on such a small amount of non comparable data. As you already know.

And if Walker isn't better offensively, or defensively, and that's what Guardiola demands, why didn't he buy Trippier for less than half the price of what Walker would have cost? And why did Trippier only replace Walker when he told Poch he wanted to leave mid season, rather than get in on merit?

 

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Coentrao was pony. Simple as. He had good hair, but that was generally it. He played for Real Madrid, but so did Royston Drenthe.

And again, no fair comparison on such a small amount of non comparable data. As you already know.

And if Walker isn't better offensively, or defensively, and that's what Guardiola demands, why didn't he buy Trippier for less than half the price of what Walker would have cost? And why did Trippier only replace Walker when he told Poch he wanted to leave mid season, rather than get in on merit?

Rpyston Drenth wasn't competing with Marcelo, and stilled only started a handful of games, less than Coentrao. And we are talking about Ekotto, not Marcelo.

I didn't say Walker wasn't better than Trippier defensively, I just don't think it's that simple. Walker has physical attributes that do give him an advantage over Trippier defensively, but Trippier's cleverer which makes it not as cut and dried. The way we play with the high line and Poch asking Trippier to attack, usually with only two CM's, (and not always quick and dynamic ones) asks a fuck of a lot, and even in the Chelsea game (and not the first time this season) Neville was praising the clever way we catch teams offside, the way our defence thinks cohesively, which require some intelligence, which Trippier is better at than Walker.

According to Poch himself, in his book, it was the other way round, Walker got the hump because Trippier was starting to get more games. Which does make some sense. Otherwise, why would Walker rock the boat at such a crucial time, in such a way as to cause problems. He'd have just kept playing and waited until the end of the season, no?

I'm sure the offer from City pre-dated this, and it was in Walker's mind pre Trippier's emergence, but I don't think he made up his mind and stropped about it, until Trippier started getting picked.

I have said this many times, I understand why Guardiola went for Walker, for a start there's not exactly an abundance of world class RB's, even if Trippier would be considered, at the time (initial approach) Trippier wasn't playing regularly and showing what he could do, also Walker's pace and physicality suits his 433 as an anti counter measure, which is how City concede goals.

But whatever the argument about their defending, which is a fair one to have, Walker might be a better defensive package, might not, depends how you play etc, Trippier has consistently, both last year and this year out performed Walker, and not by fine margins.

 

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Trippier has consistently, both last year and this year out performed Walker, and not by fine margins.

No, he fucking hasn't.

 

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No, he fucking hasn't.

Offensively, he has. Not even close. He's fucking Coentrao'd him

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I would rather have Ekkotto than pretty much any of the players being discussed. He was a player worth watching.

 

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I would rather have Ekkotto than pretty much any of the players being discussed. He was a player worth watching.

Too far...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Too far...

Perhaps, but for sheer technique and also ability to play a cutting pass (Bale owes him a lot) he was better than anybody since on either side in my opinion, and while he had brain farts defensively he was also able to do the clever dark art Italian style stuff.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Eriksen was brilliant, but this was Alli's day, scoring 2 to shut up southgate.
All were good, but Davies looked a bit jet lagged.
It goes to show how far Rose has fallen, that he wasn't even brought on as a late sub.
And Alderweireld too, not even on the bench.

Totally agree, Rose and Toby really screwed up thinking they can play the transfer card with Poch. Having said that, like Walker, I would still like to keep both of them, but I think we all know they probably won’t be here next year! And just like walker he’s seeing how we can get on without them, answer so far seems to be, just fine! But such a shame would be much stronger squad with them and even with the money, hard to replace.