AnotherSpursFan
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ive seen.a change in Alis attitude, he no longer show respect to his teammate with Kane being the exception. Hes becoming berbatov version 2, Poch stop this cancer now
Match Ratings Ratings vs Everton
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dondo
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They were still inviting unnecessary pressure by not keeping possession, where it could have gone pear shaped
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Went for Kane - He had a fantastic all round game today - but it could have easily been a number of players.
We had a really nice balance today and they could not at all cope with our tactics for the first 50 mins.
We eased up a little too early and didnt dictate the tempo of the game enough towards the end for me but I think as we continue to grow as a team we will get much better at doing that.
Good to see our domination paying off finally.
We had a really nice balance today and they could not at all cope with our tactics for the first 50 mins.
We eased up a little too early and didnt dictate the tempo of the game enough towards the end for me but I think as we continue to grow as a team we will get much better at doing that.
Good to see our domination paying off finally.
Gb160
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I suppose it's a good sign that our 'worst' player actually didn't play that badly, I don't think anyone actually had a bad game.
Our supporters even gave him a song as he went off, admittedly it was a reworking of the other Moussa's song, but that's the first time I've heard us sing his name.
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Poch deserves a bit of credit today as well - the players all performed well, but Poch has put them in position to succeed. Getting a match out of Sissoko, turning Ben Davies into a top LB in the league, keeping Trippier's confidence up, getting a more focused performance from Dier...
Rotating Dembele, resting Son, and getting Eriksen out early were also good moves that hopefully pay off against Dortmund.
Rotating Dembele, resting Son, and getting Eriksen out early were also good moves that hopefully pay off against Dortmund.
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Exceptional - Davies (MoM), Kane, Eriksen, Poch
Great - Sissoko, Dier, Sanchez, Toby, Verts
Very good - Hugo, Alli, Trips
NET Dembele, Son, Winks
Great - Sissoko, Dier, Sanchez, Toby, Verts
Very good - Hugo, Alli, Trips
NET Dembele, Son, Winks
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I think that is a harsh way to put it. As well as we played as a team - that does not come off if anyone has a bad performance.
I thought Dele played well - and was a tireless worker out there. Made a number of runs that were unrewarded, but still dragged defenders out of position. Little things like that often go overlooked.
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Slightly strange game that can be broken into thirds.
The first half hour was a bit scrappy. Fairly open, fairly end to end, and quite a lot of direct football. Even in these early stages we were getting a bit of joy and their 4-2-3-1 wasn't matching up well to what we went with, almost 3-5-1-1 to my eyes, but we didn't quite have enough control on the game to build sustained pressure.
The middle part of the game was then about as one sided as you can get. Everton went from struggling a little, to all of a sudden total collapse. It was like every time we got the ball we ended up in on goal against a chaotic defensive structure. We did what needed to be done, played some OK stuff and more importantly took full advantage of their strife and rattled in three goals to settle the match.
The final part we coasted, probably and understandably with midweek in mind, and was pretty forgettable.
Selection today went pretty well, although against such an abject team it's hard to take any real lessons from it. Sanchez slotted in solidly in the backline and the midfield worked pretty well in some aspects - maybe it's my 'Dier/cm3' bias, but I thought Eric in particular looked more comfortable anchoring the midfield with Sissoko/Eriksen either side of him.
Obviously Everton had a bit of a shocker today, but that's a very good away win and should hopefully boost morale.
Lloris - Had very little work to do. Customary moment or two where he rode his luck with his kicking.
Alderweireld - Little shaky early on, after that solid game.
Sanchez - Solid debut. Not much to report.
Vertonghen - Breezed through the game.
Trippier - Ok.
Davies - Ignoring that he got ruined every time he was ran at...... Had a very decent game with ball at his feet. Made use of the space and picked out two or three good crosses, plus followed up well for the Eriksen goal.
Sissoko - Athleticism and workrate were first class. Touch and footballing skills were still third class much of the time. However this was an improvement, and he finally got selected in a balanced team that plays to his few strengths. It's only taken a year to put him in a cm3...
Dier - Mopped up pretty well when needed. Another who greatly benefits from a cm3, where he can mainly just sit and screen the defence.
Eriksen - Actually thought he started a little slowly and wasn't quite on it to start, but by the time we had that dominant spell normal service was resumed.
Alli - Was ok, and movement was pretty decent, but kinda drifted on the periphery of the game at times. Missed a sitter when trying some Kung Fu move.
Kane - Another impressive all round performance, his general play was again good and that's the encouraging bit. The goals are just a given, he was bound to start scoring eventually.
Subs:
All three came on when we'd downed tools really, not much to say.
The first half hour was a bit scrappy. Fairly open, fairly end to end, and quite a lot of direct football. Even in these early stages we were getting a bit of joy and their 4-2-3-1 wasn't matching up well to what we went with, almost 3-5-1-1 to my eyes, but we didn't quite have enough control on the game to build sustained pressure.
The middle part of the game was then about as one sided as you can get. Everton went from struggling a little, to all of a sudden total collapse. It was like every time we got the ball we ended up in on goal against a chaotic defensive structure. We did what needed to be done, played some OK stuff and more importantly took full advantage of their strife and rattled in three goals to settle the match.
The final part we coasted, probably and understandably with midweek in mind, and was pretty forgettable.
Selection today went pretty well, although against such an abject team it's hard to take any real lessons from it. Sanchez slotted in solidly in the backline and the midfield worked pretty well in some aspects - maybe it's my 'Dier/cm3' bias, but I thought Eric in particular looked more comfortable anchoring the midfield with Sissoko/Eriksen either side of him.
Obviously Everton had a bit of a shocker today, but that's a very good away win and should hopefully boost morale.
Lloris - Had very little work to do. Customary moment or two where he rode his luck with his kicking.
Alderweireld - Little shaky early on, after that solid game.
Sanchez - Solid debut. Not much to report.
Vertonghen - Breezed through the game.
Trippier - Ok.
Davies - Ignoring that he got ruined every time he was ran at...... Had a very decent game with ball at his feet. Made use of the space and picked out two or three good crosses, plus followed up well for the Eriksen goal.
Sissoko - Athleticism and workrate were first class. Touch and footballing skills were still third class much of the time. However this was an improvement, and he finally got selected in a balanced team that plays to his few strengths. It's only taken a year to put him in a cm3...
Dier - Mopped up pretty well when needed. Another who greatly benefits from a cm3, where he can mainly just sit and screen the defence.
Eriksen - Actually thought he started a little slowly and wasn't quite on it to start, but by the time we had that dominant spell normal service was resumed.
Alli - Was ok, and movement was pretty decent, but kinda drifted on the periphery of the game at times. Missed a sitter when trying some Kung Fu move.
Kane - Another impressive all round performance, his general play was again good and that's the encouraging bit. The goals are just a given, he was bound to start scoring eventually.
Subs:
All three came on when we'd downed tools really, not much to say.
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Were they poor or were they just poor.
They neither parked the bus
or took it out for a little run.
Consequently we had them tied up in knots at the back
had acres of space in midfield
and missed more chances than in a game of Monopoly.
Hard to rate because we were just shadow boxing today.
Eriksen and Davies vie for MOM.(8's)
Easy debut for Sanchez(7) who kept it simple.
and same for Verts and Toby who enjoyed an easy life.(7's)
Still not convinced by Sissoko(6)
certainly ran about a bit but added very little quality
but gets good ratings because he wasn't terrible.
Better off the ball than on.
Improving but from a very low base.
Alli sloppy (5) Kane very Harry Kane like (7.5)
and back on goal track
Dier better than of late(7)
Tripps played well within himself as they say(7)
Lloris nothing to do and one misplaced ball out(6)
Good win away from home against one of our alleged rivals for top four.
They neither parked the bus
or took it out for a little run.
Consequently we had them tied up in knots at the back
had acres of space in midfield
and missed more chances than in a game of Monopoly.
Hard to rate because we were just shadow boxing today.
Eriksen and Davies vie for MOM.(8's)
Easy debut for Sanchez(7) who kept it simple.
and same for Verts and Toby who enjoyed an easy life.(7's)
Still not convinced by Sissoko(6)
certainly ran about a bit but added very little quality
but gets good ratings because he wasn't terrible.
Better off the ball than on.
Improving but from a very low base.
Alli sloppy (5) Kane very Harry Kane like (7.5)
and back on goal track
Dier better than of late(7)
Tripps played well within himself as they say(7)
Lloris nothing to do and one misplaced ball out(6)
Good win away from home against one of our alleged rivals for top four.
agrdavidsfan
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Lloris 6 - nothing to do silly kick once to gueye nearly cost us
Trippier 6 - some smart passing solid
Alderweireld 8 - he's like a play making centre back can dictate the tempo from back there very impressive great range of passing some incredible bits of defending today to give Hugo a quiet day
Sanchez 6 - Ok, some heart racey moments but to be expected when he's adapting to our system
Davies 8 - brilliant brought his form from the wales games back to a spurs shirt was everywhere at one point he was leading our press in Everton's half
Dier 9 - he was excellent today was everywhere pocketed Rooney and Gylfi and klassen didn't get a stiff he paraded the area they like to play in like a lion that hadn't been fed for 6 weeks
Sissoko 7 - much better he tried for once and looked like he wanted to play for us although his first touch is awful
Alli 7 - he worked his socks off for his team today late on he tracked back a lot of times more than you would expect a player of his irk to. Shows how good a footballer he is he could actually be a monster box to box player as well as the attacking lampaed type
Eriksen 8 - started slow but then came to life so clever
Kane 8 - well harry was just harry very good
Dembele - didn't notice he came on to be honest lol
Winks - was quite poor when he came on but I think his injury is still worrying him mentally
Trippier 6 - some smart passing solid
Alderweireld 8 - he's like a play making centre back can dictate the tempo from back there very impressive great range of passing some incredible bits of defending today to give Hugo a quiet day
Sanchez 6 - Ok, some heart racey moments but to be expected when he's adapting to our system
Davies 8 - brilliant brought his form from the wales games back to a spurs shirt was everywhere at one point he was leading our press in Everton's half
Dier 9 - he was excellent today was everywhere pocketed Rooney and Gylfi and klassen didn't get a stiff he paraded the area they like to play in like a lion that hadn't been fed for 6 weeks
Sissoko 7 - much better he tried for once and looked like he wanted to play for us although his first touch is awful
Alli 7 - he worked his socks off for his team today late on he tracked back a lot of times more than you would expect a player of his irk to. Shows how good a footballer he is he could actually be a monster box to box player as well as the attacking lampaed type
Eriksen 8 - started slow but then came to life so clever
Kane 8 - well harry was just harry very good
Dembele - didn't notice he came on to be honest lol
Winks - was quite poor when he came on but I think his injury is still worrying him mentally
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The Evolution of Poch
(Which this season is looking something like: AVB-REDKNAPP-MARTINEZ)
Personally, I think we are incredibly lucky that Everton are going through the transition turmoil of a manager trying to figure out where his 17 new signings fit and the type of football they should play, because although I think Poch's idea to once again deploy a quasi 3CM system was actually tactically interesting, I think his deployment of it was flawed and for the first 45 minutes I thought we looked as confused as they did, just with better players in key places doing it. Luckily Everton were pretty much the dream opponent, a team that didn't know whether to twist or stick, and they did neither, just ran around even more confused than we were, neither committing to pressing or attacking us, but not sitting deep and being disciplined either. Perfect.
That first half saw Eriksen and Sissoko completely forgetting they were part of a midfield three without the ball frequently, leaving Dier utterly exposed, and whilst the overloading of forward areas did create plenty of mayhem (if not quality) for us, it also could have created a shitload against us if we'd been playing even a moderately more cohesive team with their shit together.
We did start to get to grips with it in the latter of that first half, with Eriksen and Sissoko remembering to drop back into shape, but the real game changer for me was that 3rd goal (the best we scored), always a pretty pivotal scoreline (3-0), Everton just went completely to pieces, and we did actually play the best, most cohesive football we played in the game for that first 10-15 minutes or so of that second half.
I really like the idea of the 3cm system, I applauded Poch for trying it against Chelsea too but also thought he fudged his selections within it that day, and today I really, really don't understand the choice of Sissoko ahead of Winks in that system on any level. And no, it's not because one is an academy product and one isn't, it's because I can't think of anything Sissoko can do that Winks can't do better in a CM3 (if we were playing a 433 I could happily understand the case for Sissoko being picked ahead of Winks in the WRF position). He'd have given us more control, better passing, more incision and composure when he got forward (which Winks is happy to do) and out of possession more structure. I also think that would have provided better balance for having Eriksen kind of play in the cm3 on the other side.
The second half gradually degenerated into a shell fest, as we almost completely stopped playing but luckily Everton just couldn't be arsed to capitalise.
I do like the fact that Poch is tactically experimenting, making us harder to figure out, but that today was of the Roberto Martinez gung ho school of tactics playbook.
I think if there's a CM role that Dier doesn't completely stink in, it is this more one dimensional anchoring role in the middle of a CM3, and he was actually ok today. I also thought both our full backs were pretty good, arguably one of Davies best games in a Spurs shirt, culminating in a lovely ball for the all important third goal. Trippier got a "free" assist for the outrageous Kane goal, but he was really unlucky not to get a couple more with that lovely nutmeg through ball and the delicious cross that Sissoko somehow managed to miss. Both FB's were good today.
I thought first 45 minutes Kane was fucking terrible, wasting situations with poor decisions, but he did seem to improve second half and took that second goal well.
Individual
Lloris - Seems desperate to give a goal a game away.
Trippier - Good game, some nice play in forward areas.
Alderweireld/Sanchez/Vertonghen - All decent enough, not strongly tested.
Davies - Good game, lovely ball for Kane's second, played more key passes than anyone. I've been his harshest critic, but I'm giving him my MOTM today. His quality in forward areas is still a bit meh a lot of the time, but at least he's getting forward better and today he was much more involved in the final third and had a hand in two goals.
Dier - In this set up he's OK. Sit central, anchor the two pivots. First half he was exposed a bit by Sissoko and Eriksen's transitional indiscipline but he worked it. Also played one very nice pass to put Eriksen in, which Eriksen wasted.
Sissoko - Sorry, I just don't share the opinion that he was good today. He was good at running up and down - well better at running up than down to be honest - but that's really where the "good" ends. There's never been a lack of effort from Sissoko, it's always been a lack of ability that's the issue, and today didn't change that at all. He saw very little of the ball, only making two more passes than Lloris, and wasted 20% of that. His lack of technical ability and composure offends me.
Eriksen - Very good game overall, some lovely stuff at times, but there were times, especially first half, when he struggled with his role tactically.
Alli - Couple of decent moments as ever, and a bit less fuckery than usual maybe, but that fucking miss at the end of the first half was piss poor.
Kane - I thought he was awful first half, wasting situations with poor decisions or execution, even his goal, if it doesn't go in is a piss poor decision when there are three guys waiting in the box, but his movement and finish for the second goal was top notch and he then had a good spell.
(Which this season is looking something like: AVB-REDKNAPP-MARTINEZ)
Personally, I think we are incredibly lucky that Everton are going through the transition turmoil of a manager trying to figure out where his 17 new signings fit and the type of football they should play, because although I think Poch's idea to once again deploy a quasi 3CM system was actually tactically interesting, I think his deployment of it was flawed and for the first 45 minutes I thought we looked as confused as they did, just with better players in key places doing it. Luckily Everton were pretty much the dream opponent, a team that didn't know whether to twist or stick, and they did neither, just ran around even more confused than we were, neither committing to pressing or attacking us, but not sitting deep and being disciplined either. Perfect.
That first half saw Eriksen and Sissoko completely forgetting they were part of a midfield three without the ball frequently, leaving Dier utterly exposed, and whilst the overloading of forward areas did create plenty of mayhem (if not quality) for us, it also could have created a shitload against us if we'd been playing even a moderately more cohesive team with their shit together.
We did start to get to grips with it in the latter of that first half, with Eriksen and Sissoko remembering to drop back into shape, but the real game changer for me was that 3rd goal (the best we scored), always a pretty pivotal scoreline (3-0), Everton just went completely to pieces, and we did actually play the best, most cohesive football we played in the game for that first 10-15 minutes or so of that second half.
I really like the idea of the 3cm system, I applauded Poch for trying it against Chelsea too but also thought he fudged his selections within it that day, and today I really, really don't understand the choice of Sissoko ahead of Winks in that system on any level. And no, it's not because one is an academy product and one isn't, it's because I can't think of anything Sissoko can do that Winks can't do better in a CM3 (if we were playing a 433 I could happily understand the case for Sissoko being picked ahead of Winks in the WRF position). He'd have given us more control, better passing, more incision and composure when he got forward (which Winks is happy to do) and out of possession more structure. I also think that would have provided better balance for having Eriksen kind of play in the cm3 on the other side.
The second half gradually degenerated into a shell fest, as we almost completely stopped playing but luckily Everton just couldn't be arsed to capitalise.
I do like the fact that Poch is tactically experimenting, making us harder to figure out, but that today was of the Roberto Martinez gung ho school of tactics playbook.
I think if there's a CM role that Dier doesn't completely stink in, it is this more one dimensional anchoring role in the middle of a CM3, and he was actually ok today. I also thought both our full backs were pretty good, arguably one of Davies best games in a Spurs shirt, culminating in a lovely ball for the all important third goal. Trippier got a "free" assist for the outrageous Kane goal, but he was really unlucky not to get a couple more with that lovely nutmeg through ball and the delicious cross that Sissoko somehow managed to miss. Both FB's were good today.
I thought first 45 minutes Kane was fucking terrible, wasting situations with poor decisions, but he did seem to improve second half and took that second goal well.
Individual
Lloris - Seems desperate to give a goal a game away.
Trippier - Good game, some nice play in forward areas.
Alderweireld/Sanchez/Vertonghen - All decent enough, not strongly tested.
Davies - Good game, lovely ball for Kane's second, played more key passes than anyone. I've been his harshest critic, but I'm giving him my MOTM today. His quality in forward areas is still a bit meh a lot of the time, but at least he's getting forward better and today he was much more involved in the final third and had a hand in two goals.
Dier - In this set up he's OK. Sit central, anchor the two pivots. First half he was exposed a bit by Sissoko and Eriksen's transitional indiscipline but he worked it. Also played one very nice pass to put Eriksen in, which Eriksen wasted.
Sissoko - Sorry, I just don't share the opinion that he was good today. He was good at running up and down - well better at running up than down to be honest - but that's really where the "good" ends. There's never been a lack of effort from Sissoko, it's always been a lack of ability that's the issue, and today didn't change that at all. He saw very little of the ball, only making two more passes than Lloris, and wasted 20% of that. His lack of technical ability and composure offends me.
Eriksen - Very good game overall, some lovely stuff at times, but there were times, especially first half, when he struggled with his role tactically.
Alli - Couple of decent moments as ever, and a bit less fuckery than usual maybe, but that fucking miss at the end of the first half was piss poor.
Kane - I thought he was awful first half, wasting situations with poor decisions or execution, even his goal, if it doesn't go in is a piss poor decision when there are three guys waiting in the box, but his movement and finish for the second goal was top notch and he then had a good spell.
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agrdavidsfan
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To be fair I always find what you have to say interesting but I think Dier was brilliant today. Sissoko was also clearly given a role to disrupt Everton by basically running straight it was as if poch had simplified his instructions for him.
Sissoko wasn't great but he was much better than we normally get from him
Tottenham_God
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Great win. Winks needs to start. every possible game he can.
tippspur59
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Thankfully there was a good few contenders for MOTM today,I'm going for Davies,played the wing back game really well and crossed some good balls.
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I've been kind and given it to Sissoko, but in reality Eriksen should be getting MOTM
If Sissoko can add a bit of finesse to his game, he could have easily scored and set up a couple, it's just a yard or two every time he over runs it or overpasses, but today he had a lot of energy and fired up, I think the team playing very well around him gave him confidence. I'm hoping he gets another start at West Ham, a perfect game for him to perform in
If Sissoko can add a bit of finesse to his game, he could have easily scored and set up a couple, it's just a yard or two every time he over runs it or overpasses, but today he had a lot of energy and fired up, I think the team playing very well around him gave him confidence. I'm hoping he gets another start at West Ham, a perfect game for him to perform in
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I cant say that I am a fan of a diamond midfield setup but it certainly worked in this game. Will we see it against Dortmund? I doubt it.
Davies and Sissoko both had one of their best performances for us, which was good to see.
An impressive debut by Sanchez too.
MOM - I had to give it to Kane, not just for his goals. Almost everything we did well attacking wise involved him somehow, the last 7 mins after he came off we looked significantly less threatening.
Davies and Sissoko both had one of their best performances for us, which was good to see.
An impressive debut by Sanchez too.
MOM - I had to give it to Kane, not just for his goals. Almost everything we did well attacking wise involved him somehow, the last 7 mins after he came off we looked significantly less threatening.
