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MOTM

  • Aurier

    Votes: 88 49.2%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • Verts

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Davies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dier

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 21 11.7%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 23 12.8%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Moura

    Votes: 23 12.8%
  • Winks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rose

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None deserved

    Votes: 16 8.9%

  • Total voters
    179

BringBack_leGin

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Poch has had a rocky month but a wonder strike completely fucked us

Some of the comments on here about a manager that has totally transformed us over the last few years is fucking embarrassing and makes me ashamed to be part of.

If he deserves all the praise he gets when it goes brilliantly then he deserves criticism for making spelling decisions.

Criticism yes but not all the crticism

Everyyone slating him for taking off lamela.. But no praise for his Lucas substitution which had inter all over the place.... Oh and if Lamela had put away his many chances we would have won before he was subbed

Everyone is a critic when we lose, the fact is we got done by a wonder strike from nowhere

Thing is, Lucas for Son was like for like, and Lucas outperformed Son. Winks for Lamela changed us from a shape which had us dominating to the shape which had us bent over and sodomised just three days earlier.
 

EastLondonYid

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Jan 26, 2010
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Wonder strike might be pushing it slightly, but I know what mean. But the fact is we started to retreat and invite them on with over 10 minutes to go, the cracks where starting to show. Juventus might be able to sit back and defend a one goal lead, but this midfield and defence where never likely to hold out till the end.
What would you call it.... It was a volley from outside the fucking box

One moment can change everything thing and we all blame Poch

Aurier our mom didn't close down the cross... Is that pochs fault too....

Lamela looked out on his feet and shattered and winks his replacement isnt sissoko....
 

EastLondonYid

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If he deserves all the praise he gets when it goes brilliantly then he deserves criticism for making spelling decisions.



Thing is, Lucas for Son was like for like, and Lucas outperformed Son. Winks for Lamela changed us from a shape which had us dominating to the shape which had us bent over and sodomised just three days earlier.
Lamela was fucked...
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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Yeah, but isolated incidents in games. As I said earlier we nearly went out of the FA Cup to Newport last year because of Vorm's side way passing to full backs leaving them facing their own goal line.

No, not isolated incidents. I have seen plenty of games, against teams of varying quality, where throughout we have struggled to play out as a team squeeze up the pitch and we invite pressure.
 

Trix

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Criticism yes but not all the crticism

Everyyone slating him for taking off lamela.. But no praise for his Lucas substitution which had inter all over the place.... Oh and if Lamela had put away his many chances we would have won before he was subbed

Everyone is a critic when we lose, the fact is we got done by a wonder strike from nowhere

It was a good strike, fair enough. The point still stands though that his changes invited the pressure on to us. No one from midfield screening the back four, and we just looked out of shape from the moment Lamela went off.

Poch talks tirelessly about his philosophy and players buying into it etc, but I'll be damned if I can see what the fuck that philosophy even remotely is this season. There was no surprise to me that the first time this season we have played our tried and tested 4-2-3-1 that we looked the most comfortable we have this season. It's also no surprise to me that as soon as we changed we looked our usual unorganised panicky selves. The Moura sub was good because it was fresh legs in a straight up swap position wise, when we were already looking comfortable and organised. The WInks one however was a game changer as far as our mentality was concerned, and you could see us fall apart almost instantly, just allowing them to play higher up the pitch, with no one in midfield seemingly understanding their role. Like I say on the Icardi goal who was screening the back four when he gets the time to take that shot?
 

Trix

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Lamela was fucked...

Didn't look it to me, looked disappointed to be coming off same as Son. Fact is even if they were, Dier and Davies were awful for the full 90 minutes and still stayed on, and Kane has looked knackered all season. Point is if we are solely going to make substitutions based on fitness levels and not performance ones we are in huge trouble this season, and that is entirely down to Poch.
 

felmani26

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Jan 1, 2008
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Son was always going to have around 60-70mins and Moura is the ideal like for like replacement as BBLG says what with his pace for the counter.

Ultimately, a lot of occasions though Poch isn't proactive enough with his in game tactics/subs and nor does he effectively close out games with minimum fuss.
 

EastLondonYid

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Didn't look it to me, looked disappointed to be coming off same as Son. Fact is even if they were, Dier and Davies were awful for the full 90 minutes and still stayed on, and Kane has looked knackered all season. Point is if we are solely going to make substitutions based on fitness levels and not performance ones we are in huge trouble this season, and that is entirely down to Poch.
Lets sack him and put all the know it alls on here in charge... Most have probably never even kicked a ball

Anyway im the mug coming on here after a defeat and reading all this crap
 

BringBack_leGin

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Lets sack him and put all the know it alls on here in charge... Most have probably never even kicked a ball

Anyway im the mug coming on here after a defeat and reading all this crap
Don’t be so obtuse, you’re smarter than this, you know full well nobody is calling for his head.

Three games running we have lost as a result of poor managerial decisions.

Pochettino has been great for this club and enough credit in the bank to rectify this situation and learn from his mistakes.

Those two statements aren’t mutually exclusive, both can be true. Hell, even if we finish seventh he deserves to start next season in charge to turn things around. However, we are entitled to question his current decisions and management just as we are entitled to praise his previous four years of ‘magic’
 

EastLondonYid

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Don’t be so obtuse, you’re smarter than this, you know full well nobody is calling for his head.

Three games running we have lost as a result of poor managerial decisions.

Pochettino has been great for this club and enough credit in the bank to rectify this situation and learn from his mistakes.

Those two statements aren’t mutually exclusive, both can be true. Hell, even if we finish seventh he deserves to start next season in charge to turn things around. However, we are entitled to question his current decisions and management just as we are entitled to praise his previous four years of ‘magic’
Agree

Im just pissed off with some of the slating
 

Trix

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Lets sack him and put all the know it alls on here in charge... Most have probably never even kicked a ball

Anyway im the mug coming on here after a defeat and reading all this crap

Your problem is that you are looking at this from the pov that it's just this defeat causing this reaction, and it isn't. It's three loses on the spin, and we haven't looked convincing at any point in the first 6 games of the season apart from 30 minutes at Old Trafford.

As far as over reactions are concerned, no one(that I have seen) have even mentioned replacing him accept you.
 

John48

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It's the senior players letting the manager down. They don't seem to have they've had in previous years & their passing is sloppy.

Eriksen played OK in the 1st half, but really didn't cut it when Moura came on started to take the game to Inter.
 

EastLondonYid

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Jan 26, 2010
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Your problem is that you are looking at this from the pov that it's just this defeat causing this reaction, and it isn't. It's three loses on the spin, and we haven't looked convincing at any point in the first 6 games of the season apart from 30 minutes at Old Trafford.

As far as over reactions are concerned, no one(that I have seen) have even mentioned replacing him accept you.
Your problem is that you are looking at this from the pov that it's just this defeat causing this reaction, and it isn't. It's three loses on the spin, and we haven't looked convincing at any point in the first 6 games of the season apart from 30 minutes at Old Trafford.

As far as over reactions are concerned, no one(that I have seen) have even mentioned replacing him accept you.
It was meant in jest smart arse
 

Derp

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Set piece. Header. I think that might be 7 goals we have conceeded so far this season from a header. Absolutely a coaching issue, when we keep letting in the same goals. We bottled it again, like we always do. Maybe they should hire a sports physiologist, because we are just mentally weak.

8: Eriksen(MotM), Aurier,
7: Lucas
6: Dembele, Son
5: Vorm, Sanchez, Jan, Lamela
4: Kane, Dier, Winks.
3: Davies.

Only Eriksen, Aurier and Lucas can hold their heads high.
 

DCSPUR

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I love Poch and I am certainly not advocating replacing him any time soon, but he has been without doubt the biggest reason we are struggling at the moment, and deserves all the criticism he's getting.
nonsense.
Poch's fault that from Kane to Dier to Verts look like they are mentally exhausted?
The impact the WC has had on the Eng and Bel lads is clear.
Injuries/ form/ fitness are issues.
Has he made tactical mistakes - yes.
Would it have been a mile better if (a) Levy had delivered 2-3 players we all know are needed and Poch was promised (b) the stadium had opened on time (certainty) (c) a small but significant point, Hugo hadn't picked up an untimely injury which has kept our WC winning captain/ who was in good form out of the side for all three defeats.
 

SdB

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Not a fan of Aurier but he was pretty calm tonight and put in one hell of a shift.
Gets my vote.
 

Lighty64

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Poch was master of our downfall, first taking Lamela off when we were losing, then taking Harry off (who is one of our best defensive players from set pieces).

we was winning when he took him off.

Davies even when he had time in the 1st half misplaced passes, also left us exposed too often, but the most frustrating thing is twice near the edge of their area in the 1st half, he takes a throw in and throws it back into our half. he was at his best when Rose was injured and played every week.

Vorm just doesn't fill me with any confidence

Jan seemed to be always boxed in by whoever passed to him, but was so gutted he turned away from the volleyed equaliser. had that been Dawson he would of thrown his body in the line of the shot.

Eriksen definitely an improvement on what he has preformed so far this season.

Kane should of scored, but in my eyes didn't look so laboured

Aurier my MotM had one of his best games for us

subs, well haven't got a clue why. yes Son wasn't brilliant but at 1-0 up, I thought that was the perfect time to take Kane off and see if the 4 players many wanted to see as our front line a chance to shine. the speed of the 4 would of worked well against a team leaving a bit of space. agree with many Lamela wasn't brilliant 1st half but his closing down helped, and was 1 of our better players the 2nd half and should of scored.
 
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Bulletspur

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Criticism yes but not all the crticism

Everyyone slating him for taking off lamela.. But no praise for his Lucas substitution which had inter all over the place.... Oh and if Lamela had put away his many chances we would have won before he was subbed

Everyone is a critic when we lose, the fact is we got done by a wonder strike from nowhere
You obviously didn't read the opening post
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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An awful lot of crap is being bemoaned, and blamed, tonight, as fans look to express their rage at a painful defeat and a start to the season which has quite quickly gone sour.

The lack of signings. The stadium delay. Levy. That fans are being "lied" to. That we've shown the whole world that we are cheapskates that lack ambition. The World Cup and exhausted players. Hugo and his drink driving. Players not signing contracts. Player morale. Jermaine Jenas..... I'm sure there are more, I just cant be bothered to trawl through the posts.

None of these things mattered when at the 70 minute mark we were 1-0 up, the dominant team, and looking a good bet to add to the scoreline and take the three points that we looked more and more deserving of. None of these things contributed to what happened in the next 20 minutes, and saw defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

Whilst Inter staged something of a smash and grab, robbed us, and some of it was just plain bad luck and an exquisite goal out of the blue, one man did have a big effect on what happened on those closing stages. The footballing decisions and things largely under his control impacted on those final few minutes. It had nothing to do with all these extraneous factors/situations going on, and they're not the reason we lost that football match.


But before we get into the bit that really needs talking about, a brief synopsis of the first 70 minutes.

Any away CL game is going to be a tough test and a real battle to win the game and you wont have it all your own way. However the first half, certainly the first half hour or so, was really scrappy and unconvincing. Yet again some of our passing was really ropey under pressure and we struggled and had some tricky moments as Inter put the squeeze on us. Yet again I also didn't think our work off the ball was great and we must start pressing better and being more compact. However you couldn't say Inter showed much threat or real quality, we weren't ever under the cosh, and towards the end of the half things got a bit easier. Inter tailed off a bit with their efforts, we were able to work the ball higher up the pitch, and even had a couple of openings - notably the Kane one. At HT you thought this was a game well within our grasp to go out and claim the win.

Into the second half, and we look well on our way to doing just that. We'd got ourselves into a good place. Snatched a slightly fortuitous goal, the games opened up, we're enjoying lots of the ball, Inter haven't got much threat, and their fans are getting restless, Poch has initially made a positive change that is working because with Moura's introduction we've got a good shape and threat to the team, and are the ones creating the chances and looking like extending the lead. 70 minutes are on the clock, and I was feeling more and more confident we were going to get the job done.

And then.......


I still have absolutely no idea what Poch was thinking with the Lamela sub. Or what game he was watching. As I say, the team is going well at this point, there was no obvious threat to us. Why the change? (it wasn't much longer till Kane ran out of steam and he should have then made subs). Lamela was the one who was making bursts up in support, getting in behind, and generally being most nuisance and concern to the Inter defence. Taking him off was therefore a really defensive mood, and can only have given them encouragement. For us, taking off an attacker and putting on a midfielder, someone who is going to sit behind the ball, also had a massive effect. Winks isn't to blame individually, but, whether Poch intended it to or not, I strongly believe that sub signalled to the rest of the team that 1-0 was enough and it was time to sit on the lead. All of a sudden the momentum changed, we stopped pushing up the pitch and you're inevitably inviting pressure and then we all know what happened after that.....

This really wasn't Poch's finest hour on the tactics front.

Also I have no sympathy tonight for the Poor Poch, he's been fucked over arguments some are putting forward, when the winning goal is yet another conceded via set piece. Lets be honest, defending set pieces has been a bit of a weakness for us throughout his tenure, at the moment it's farcical. The guy has been here for 4, going on 5 years now. To still look so brittle in this aspect of the game is not good enough, there are no excuses. It's quite largely within his control.

Poor coaching and poor tactical decisions aren't the absolute reason we lost tonight, but in my opinion they are unfortunately a massive part of why the game was thrown away. Who knows, Poch might play a blinder at the weekend and change the game for the better. We hope so. But tonight what he did had an effect in the negative sense, and follows on from a lot of what he has done already this season that I have disagreed with. Yes there are other issues going on having an effect, but he's not having a great time of it currently, and he needs to regain some composure and clear thinking and just simply make some smart decisions ASAP.


Individually:

Vorm - He's glued to his line and not very commanding, some of the passing was nervy, but was solid enough in what he had to do. Don't think he had any chance with the two goals.

Aurier - Couple of silly bits of play but had a solid game and contained that flank well.

Sanchez - Had that slapstick bit of play where he got booked, was generally ok. Didn't have that much work to do.

Vertonghen - Ditto.

Davies - Yet another underwhelming display. I can only say again, he's had no better than a 6/10 performance since last autumn. Not sure how he skates under the radar, probably coz Rose is a sicknote.

Dier - Very slow start, improved a bit second half. Some of his positioning was awful though at times.

Dembele - Ditto.

Eriksen - Not at his best still, and some pretty poor set pieces, but involved for the goal, put in a delicious ball for the Kane chance, and it was generally a bit better until the final stages when he went out of the game.

Lamela - Not totally faultless with the ball, and did miss a couple of chances, but covered a lot of ground and was the main threat to Inter with his runs. Epic fail with his sub.

Son - Very slow start, first touch and passing was awful. Improved a bit but very little impact.

Kane - Hold up play - better. Running - briefly better. Pressing - no better. Overall - can still do better. Worked a bit harder tonight, but was still completely fucked about the 75 mins mark and should have been off earlier (this sub I don't blame Poch for, but maybe - if you don't sub Lamela off - Llorente comes on and we retain that balance/threat the 4-2-3-1 had).

Subs:

Moura - Didn't see a huge amount of ball but did carry a threat. Possibly could have worked back a bit harder in the latter stages.

Winks - He's getting blamed, I think unfairly. The substitution itself and what it symbolised and led the team to do was the problem.

Rose - n/a.
 
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